OT but useful for British Ex Pats
Dec 8th 2003, 2:09 pm
#1
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OT but useful for British Ex Pats
A friend asked me how to set up newsgroup reading in outlook express and I
though it may prove useful to post some basic destructions (esp. for those
in "British Ex Pats") This is not definitive by any means but still useful.
If anyone wants to add to it without getting too tech feel free.
Ok lets try the written destructions first.
1. open "outlook express"
2. goto "tools" on top menu bar.
3. goto "accounts"
4. click "add" then "news"
5. For display name don't use your full name use a handle e.g. "fluffy",
"newbie" or whatever. then click ok.
6. DO NOT use real email name! I use "[email protected]" you could use the
same one (its an email black hole !)
or whoever spammed me last ([email protected]) This will prevent
spam !! You could
use the same in both boxes. then click OK
7. this next box requires information that you will find on your ISP's help
page. For Rogers its just "NNTP".
8. When you "finish", "close" a box will open to offering to got get the
newsgroup list.Click "YES"
This may take a little time as there are thousands of groups.
9. Now comes time to choose the group / s. Type "misc.immi" in the "find
groups containing" box at the top. Select "Misc.immigration.canada" then hit
the subscribe button. (no money involved !) and click "OK"
10. In the folder view on outlook express you should have a new folder for
you newsgroups, and a sub folder for misc immigration canada.
11. click on the main folder (not misc immi) and you will see some options
in the preview pane. Use the "settings" button and "all messages"
12. now hit the "synchronise" button and wait, and wait, and wait. Ok so
this
doooes take a long time. as there will be approx 13,000 messages to get. no
one posts anything fancy in here and most are just simple text so it does
get them quite quickly all things considered.
14. From here on it only gets any new messages and doesn't need to get them
all each time. First time is always hardest ;-)
This will get you going.
I will tell you a couple of more settings to alter within outlook to help
you along and make thing easy.
But for now you are ready to read em all. Beware there are what we call
"trolls" in newsgroups. Another name for idiots. there are also people
whose posts you will laugh at because they ask some really stupid
questions.
Best is to read and see how people ask questions and the sort of answers
they generally get. HEADS UP !!!! read as many or ALL the posts if possible
as any questions you may have might have already been answered. some people
(me included) don't take too kindly to people asking questions for a subject
that has already been answered recently.
If you answer anyone
DON'T use all caps locks (considered shouting and bad manners)
DON'T type at the top of a post (bad manners)
DON'T give out telephone numbers or email address (unless you know how to
disguise it so that others can work it out)
There are more do's & don'ts but have given you most important ones.
You will notice that some of the buttons on the top toolbar change when you
are in a newsgroup.
e.g..
"new post" used to initiate a new thread (question/topic)
"reply group" to reply to currently selected message
"reply" reply directly to person whose message is currently highlighted.
A few more setting for you to change in outlook express below to make it a
bit easier.
1. goto "tools" , "options" make sure all the following settings are
ticked.
a. In "GENERAL" tick everything.
b. in "SPELLING" tick all except "UPPERCASE" and "words with numbers"
c. in "READ" tick first three boxes miss one and tick fifth also tick "get"
and make sure says 300 headers, untick "mark all messages as read"
d. In "RECEIPT" I have "request receipt" ticked but that's cos I need
confirmation for some of the stuff I do its optional. I also have the
"Notify" box ticked, again optional
e. In "SEND" all the top 6 boxes are ticked. and "HTML" for mail and "Plain
Text" for news.
f. I have nothing set in "COMPOSE"
g. Anything in "SIGNATURES" is optional.
h. settings in "CONNECTION" should not be altered
i. In "SECURITY" tick the second and third boxes, all others are empty
j. Tick top 3 boxes in "MAINTENANCE" and tick "delete news messages" then
set to "5 days" all other boxes are unchecked.
2. That's it ! Easier than setting up the groups.
though it may prove useful to post some basic destructions (esp. for those
in "British Ex Pats") This is not definitive by any means but still useful.
If anyone wants to add to it without getting too tech feel free.
Ok lets try the written destructions first.
1. open "outlook express"
2. goto "tools" on top menu bar.
3. goto "accounts"
4. click "add" then "news"
5. For display name don't use your full name use a handle e.g. "fluffy",
"newbie" or whatever. then click ok.
6. DO NOT use real email name! I use "[email protected]" you could use the
same one (its an email black hole !)
or whoever spammed me last ([email protected]) This will prevent
spam !! You could
use the same in both boxes. then click OK
7. this next box requires information that you will find on your ISP's help
page. For Rogers its just "NNTP".
8. When you "finish", "close" a box will open to offering to got get the
newsgroup list.Click "YES"
This may take a little time as there are thousands of groups.
9. Now comes time to choose the group / s. Type "misc.immi" in the "find
groups containing" box at the top. Select "Misc.immigration.canada" then hit
the subscribe button. (no money involved !) and click "OK"
10. In the folder view on outlook express you should have a new folder for
you newsgroups, and a sub folder for misc immigration canada.
11. click on the main folder (not misc immi) and you will see some options
in the preview pane. Use the "settings" button and "all messages"
12. now hit the "synchronise" button and wait, and wait, and wait. Ok so
this
doooes take a long time. as there will be approx 13,000 messages to get. no
one posts anything fancy in here and most are just simple text so it does
get them quite quickly all things considered.
14. From here on it only gets any new messages and doesn't need to get them
all each time. First time is always hardest ;-)
This will get you going.
I will tell you a couple of more settings to alter within outlook to help
you along and make thing easy.
But for now you are ready to read em all. Beware there are what we call
"trolls" in newsgroups. Another name for idiots. there are also people
whose posts you will laugh at because they ask some really stupid
questions.
Best is to read and see how people ask questions and the sort of answers
they generally get. HEADS UP !!!! read as many or ALL the posts if possible
as any questions you may have might have already been answered. some people
(me included) don't take too kindly to people asking questions for a subject
that has already been answered recently.
If you answer anyone
DON'T use all caps locks (considered shouting and bad manners)
DON'T type at the top of a post (bad manners)
DON'T give out telephone numbers or email address (unless you know how to
disguise it so that others can work it out)
There are more do's & don'ts but have given you most important ones.
You will notice that some of the buttons on the top toolbar change when you
are in a newsgroup.
e.g..
"new post" used to initiate a new thread (question/topic)
"reply group" to reply to currently selected message
"reply" reply directly to person whose message is currently highlighted.
A few more setting for you to change in outlook express below to make it a
bit easier.
1. goto "tools" , "options" make sure all the following settings are
ticked.
a. In "GENERAL" tick everything.
b. in "SPELLING" tick all except "UPPERCASE" and "words with numbers"
c. in "READ" tick first three boxes miss one and tick fifth also tick "get"
and make sure says 300 headers, untick "mark all messages as read"
d. In "RECEIPT" I have "request receipt" ticked but that's cos I need
confirmation for some of the stuff I do its optional. I also have the
"Notify" box ticked, again optional
e. In "SEND" all the top 6 boxes are ticked. and "HTML" for mail and "Plain
Text" for news.
f. I have nothing set in "COMPOSE"
g. Anything in "SIGNATURES" is optional.
h. settings in "CONNECTION" should not be altered
i. In "SECURITY" tick the second and third boxes, all others are empty
j. Tick top 3 boxes in "MAINTENANCE" and tick "delete news messages" then
set to "5 days" all other boxes are unchecked.
2. That's it ! Easier than setting up the groups.
Dec 8th 2003, 3:31 pm
#2
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Re: OT but useful for British Ex Pats
in a recent article, Robert ([email protected]) said:
> 6. DO NOT use real email name! I use "[email protected]" you could use the
> same one (its an email black hole !)
> or whoever spammed me last ([email protected]) This will prevent
> spam !! You could
> use the same in both boxes. then click OK
With all due respect, this is actually crappy advice. Why? Because if
people want to contact you directly, they cannot. Better advice would be to
ADD something to your Email address, such as
'[email protected]' so that your Email address is there,
but modified to catch out the spammers but can easily be changed for genuine
Email. Put something in the signature to make it clear which has to be
removed.
Equally as effective for SPAM purposes, much more effective in other
ways. Good luck.
--
Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
http://www.iamnotamerican.com
Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
> 6. DO NOT use real email name! I use "[email protected]" you could use the
> same one (its an email black hole !)
> or whoever spammed me last ([email protected]) This will prevent
> spam !! You could
> use the same in both boxes. then click OK
With all due respect, this is actually crappy advice. Why? Because if
people want to contact you directly, they cannot. Better advice would be to
ADD something to your Email address, such as
'[email protected]' so that your Email address is there,
but modified to catch out the spammers but can easily be changed for genuine
Email. Put something in the signature to make it clear which has to be
removed.
Equally as effective for SPAM purposes, much more effective in other
ways. Good luck.
--
Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
http://www.iamnotamerican.com
Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
Dec 8th 2003, 4:46 pm
#3
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Re: OT but useful for British Ex Pats
"http://www.iamnotamerican.com" <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:BBF9E728.20A64%[email protected]...
> in a recent article, Robert ([email protected]) said:
> > 6. DO NOT use real email name! I use "[email protected]" you could use the
> > same one (its an email black hole !)
> > or whoever spammed me last ([email protected]) This will
prevent
> > spam !! You could
> > use the same in both boxes. then click OK
> With all due respect, this is actually crappy advice. Why? Because
if
> people want to contact you directly, they cannot. Better advice would be
to
> ADD something to your Email address, such as
> '[email protected]' so that your Email address is there,
> but modified to catch out the spammers but can easily be changed for
genuine
> Email. Put something in the signature to make it clear which has to be
> removed.
> Equally as effective for SPAM purposes, much more effective in other
> ways. Good luck.
With Equal respect there is software that searches for common blockers such
as "REMOVE","SPAM" and many other "anti spam" keywords.
A quick look at mass mail software shows that programs can be very effective
in this area as all it needs to do is parse the email names to seek out and
then re-constitute an email address.
I have gone to the extreme I must admit. but it does prove 100% effective.
I have found other ways of passing my email address within a group that does
not constitute a risk.
Easiest way is to space the name within a phrase or sentence and use AT
instead of @.
I dont think therefore that the advice is "CRAPPY" as you point out.
> --
> Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
> The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
> Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
> View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
> http://www.iamnotamerican.com
> Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
in message news:BBF9E728.20A64%[email protected]...
> in a recent article, Robert ([email protected]) said:
> > 6. DO NOT use real email name! I use "[email protected]" you could use the
> > same one (its an email black hole !)
> > or whoever spammed me last ([email protected]) This will
prevent
> > spam !! You could
> > use the same in both boxes. then click OK
> With all due respect, this is actually crappy advice. Why? Because
if
> people want to contact you directly, they cannot. Better advice would be
to
> ADD something to your Email address, such as
> '[email protected]' so that your Email address is there,
> but modified to catch out the spammers but can easily be changed for
genuine
> Email. Put something in the signature to make it clear which has to be
> removed.
> Equally as effective for SPAM purposes, much more effective in other
> ways. Good luck.
With Equal respect there is software that searches for common blockers such
as "REMOVE","SPAM" and many other "anti spam" keywords.
A quick look at mass mail software shows that programs can be very effective
in this area as all it needs to do is parse the email names to seek out and
then re-constitute an email address.
I have gone to the extreme I must admit. but it does prove 100% effective.
I have found other ways of passing my email address within a group that does
not constitute a risk.
Easiest way is to space the name within a phrase or sentence and use AT
instead of @.
I dont think therefore that the advice is "CRAPPY" as you point out.
> --
> Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
> The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
> Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
> View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
> http://www.iamnotamerican.com
> Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
Dec 8th 2003, 6:50 pm
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Re: OT but useful for British Ex Pats
Different people come-up with different ways to deal with spam.
We all have to choose whatever works for us.
I personally have a scheme set-up wherein all mail goes to the junk folder,
except for those that are in my contact/safe list.
I review the junk email folder about once a day and deal with each email
accordingly.
I don't think the advice was "crappy" at all.
Pretty darn decent of Robert to have taken the trouble of compiling the list
of steps and posting it here for the BritishExpat newbies.
My $0.02.
"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "http://www.iamnotamerican.com" <[email protected]> wrote
> in message news:BBF9E728.20A64%[email protected]...
> > in a recent article, Robert ([email protected]) said:
> >
> > > 6. DO NOT use real email name! I use "[email protected]" you could use
the
> > > same one (its an email black hole !)
> > > or whoever spammed me last ([email protected]) This will
> prevent
> > > spam !! You could
> > > use the same in both boxes. then click OK
> >
> > With all due respect, this is actually crappy advice. Why? Because
> if
> > people want to contact you directly, they cannot. Better advice would
be
> to
> > ADD something to your Email address, such as
> > '[email protected]' so that your Email address is
there,
> > but modified to catch out the spammers but can easily be changed for
> genuine
> > Email. Put something in the signature to make it clear which has to be
> > removed.
> >
> > Equally as effective for SPAM purposes, much more effective in other
> > ways. Good luck.
> >
> With Equal respect there is software that searches for common blockers
such
> as "REMOVE","SPAM" and many other "anti spam" keywords.
> A quick look at mass mail software shows that programs can be very
effective
> in this area as all it needs to do is parse the email names to seek out
and
> then re-constitute an email address.
> I have gone to the extreme I must admit. but it does prove 100% effective.
> I have found other ways of passing my email address within a group that
does
> not constitute a risk.
> Easiest way is to space the name within a phrase or sentence and use AT
> instead of @.
> I dont think therefore that the advice is "CRAPPY" as you point out.
> > --
> > Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
> > The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
> > Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
> >
> > View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
> > http://www.iamnotamerican.com
> >
> > Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
> >
We all have to choose whatever works for us.
I personally have a scheme set-up wherein all mail goes to the junk folder,
except for those that are in my contact/safe list.
I review the junk email folder about once a day and deal with each email
accordingly.
I don't think the advice was "crappy" at all.
Pretty darn decent of Robert to have taken the trouble of compiling the list
of steps and posting it here for the BritishExpat newbies.
My $0.02.
"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "http://www.iamnotamerican.com" <[email protected]> wrote
> in message news:BBF9E728.20A64%[email protected]...
> > in a recent article, Robert ([email protected]) said:
> >
> > > 6. DO NOT use real email name! I use "[email protected]" you could use
the
> > > same one (its an email black hole !)
> > > or whoever spammed me last ([email protected]) This will
> prevent
> > > spam !! You could
> > > use the same in both boxes. then click OK
> >
> > With all due respect, this is actually crappy advice. Why? Because
> if
> > people want to contact you directly, they cannot. Better advice would
be
> to
> > ADD something to your Email address, such as
> > '[email protected]' so that your Email address is
there,
> > but modified to catch out the spammers but can easily be changed for
> genuine
> > Email. Put something in the signature to make it clear which has to be
> > removed.
> >
> > Equally as effective for SPAM purposes, much more effective in other
> > ways. Good luck.
> >
> With Equal respect there is software that searches for common blockers
such
> as "REMOVE","SPAM" and many other "anti spam" keywords.
> A quick look at mass mail software shows that programs can be very
effective
> in this area as all it needs to do is parse the email names to seek out
and
> then re-constitute an email address.
> I have gone to the extreme I must admit. but it does prove 100% effective.
> I have found other ways of passing my email address within a group that
does
> not constitute a risk.
> Easiest way is to space the name within a phrase or sentence and use AT
> instead of @.
> I dont think therefore that the advice is "CRAPPY" as you point out.
> > --
> > Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
> > The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
> > Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
> >
> > View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
> > http://www.iamnotamerican.com
> >
> > Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
> >
Dec 9th 2003, 4:00 am
#5
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Re: OT but useful for British Ex Pats
in a recent article, WebCrawler ([email protected]) said:
> I don't think the advice was "crappy" at all.
> Pretty darn decent of Robert to have taken the trouble of compiling the list
> of steps and posting it here for the BritishExpat newbies.
Very true. The effort was appreciated and I apologise if it seemed
otherwise. I was referring to the tip to use fake Email as being crappy.
Why? If there are people here who don't know how to take spam reduction
measures, they're obviously going to know less about how to get their
contact details out there using other methods.
People should use a valid (albeit fudged) Email address so people can
contact them more directly with responses to questions.
--
Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
http://www.iamnotamerican.com
Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
> I don't think the advice was "crappy" at all.
> Pretty darn decent of Robert to have taken the trouble of compiling the list
> of steps and posting it here for the BritishExpat newbies.
Very true. The effort was appreciated and I apologise if it seemed
otherwise. I was referring to the tip to use fake Email as being crappy.
Why? If there are people here who don't know how to take spam reduction
measures, they're obviously going to know less about how to get their
contact details out there using other methods.
People should use a valid (albeit fudged) Email address so people can
contact them more directly with responses to questions.
--
Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
http://www.iamnotamerican.com
Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
Dec 9th 2003, 5:52 am
#6
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Re: OT but useful for British Ex Pats BTW
Did you know that if I upgrade my account at BEP (cost over $9)
I can read email via outlook express !
Cool Eh !
<sarc>
Oh and I repaired a "bad ballscrew at rogers com" Hmm no email to parse.
"http://www.iamnotamerican.com" <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:BBFA96BF.20B0D%[email protected]...
> in a recent article, WebCrawler ([email protected]) said:
> > I don't think the advice was "crappy" at all.
> > Pretty darn decent of Robert to have taken the trouble of compiling the
list
> > of steps and posting it here for the BritishExpat newbies.
> Very true. The effort was appreciated and I apologise if it seemed
> otherwise. I was referring to the tip to use fake Email as being crappy.
> Why? If there are people here who don't know how to take spam reduction
> measures, they're obviously going to know less about how to get their
> contact details out there using other methods.
> People should use a valid (albeit fudged) Email address so people can
> contact them more directly with responses to questions.
> --
> Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
> The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
> Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
> View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
> http://www.iamnotamerican.com
> Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
I can read email via outlook express !
Cool Eh !
<sarc>
Oh and I repaired a "bad ballscrew at rogers com" Hmm no email to parse.
"http://www.iamnotamerican.com" <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:BBFA96BF.20B0D%[email protected]...
> in a recent article, WebCrawler ([email protected]) said:
> > I don't think the advice was "crappy" at all.
> > Pretty darn decent of Robert to have taken the trouble of compiling the
list
> > of steps and posting it here for the BritishExpat newbies.
> Very true. The effort was appreciated and I apologise if it seemed
> otherwise. I was referring to the tip to use fake Email as being crappy.
> Why? If there are people here who don't know how to take spam reduction
> measures, they're obviously going to know less about how to get their
> contact details out there using other methods.
> People should use a valid (albeit fudged) Email address so people can
> contact them more directly with responses to questions.
> --
> Say "I am not American" in TWELVE languages.
> The original "I am not American" T-shirts - as seen on CNN
> Only at http://www.iamnotamerican.com .
> View 16 NEW designs and a full range of merchandise.
> http://www.iamnotamerican.com
> Remove uppercase letters from Email address to reply.
