Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
May 25th 2003, 9:30 pm
#1
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
I thought the Minister was planning a temporary visa for such
'regional' immigrants, with PR only following a few years later.
Jeremy
>On Mon, 26 May 2003 15:48:57 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Rich Wales) wrote:
>I confess I'm not familiar with any such bill. However, it might
>be difficult in practice to implement such a restriction, since
>subsection 6(2) of the Charter gives permanent residents (as well
>as citizens) the right to live and work in any province, and I
>can imagine that someone could successfully argue that not being
>able to work in Toronto unreasonably restricted his/her right to
>work anywhere in Ontario.
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
'regional' immigrants, with PR only following a few years later.
Jeremy
>On Mon, 26 May 2003 15:48:57 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Rich Wales) wrote:
>I confess I'm not familiar with any such bill. However, it might
>be difficult in practice to implement such a restriction, since
>subsection 6(2) of the Charter gives permanent residents (as well
>as citizens) the right to live and work in any province, and I
>can imagine that someone could successfully argue that not being
>able to work in Toronto unreasonably restricted his/her right to
>work anywhere in Ontario.
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
May 26th 2003, 11:04 am
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Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
Hi,
Did you hear about a project law to refuse access in Toronto for immigrants ?
They base their argument on qualified jobs in smaller cities which would need
skilled people. We know that almost all jobs are in Toronto. Are they dreaming ?
Any details about this project ?
Regards,
Harry
Did you hear about a project law to refuse access in Toronto for immigrants ?
They base their argument on qualified jobs in smaller cities which would need
skilled people. We know that almost all jobs are in Toronto. Are they dreaming ?
Any details about this project ?
Regards,
Harry
May 26th 2003, 3:48 pm
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
"Harry" wrote:
> Did you hear about a project law to refuse access in Toronto
> for immigrants? They base their argument on qualified jobs
> in smaller cities which would need skilled people. We know
> that almost all jobs are in Toronto. Are they dreaming?
> Any details about this project?
I don't necessarily agree with your claim that "almost all jobs
are in Toronto". However . . . .
I assume you mean a "bill" (the English equivalent of the French
phrase "projet de loi") -- i.e., a legislative proposal that is
still being considered and which has not yet been (and, in fact,
might or might not ever be) fully enacted and come into force as
an official, binding law.
I confess I'm not familiar with any such bill. However, it might
be difficult in practice to implement such a restriction, since
subsection 6(2) of the Charter gives permanent residents (as well
as citizens) the right to live and work in any province, and I
can imagine that someone could successfully argue that not being
able to work in Toronto unreasonably restricted his/her right to
work anywhere in Ontario.
Note too, for what it may be worth, that section 6 is NOT one of
the sections of the Charter that can be temporarily overridden
via section 33 (the "notwithstanding" clause).
Rich Wales [email protected] http://www.richw.org
*NOTE: I've lived in both Canada and the US and have dual citizenship.
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, professional immigration consultant,
or consular officer. My comments are for discussion purposes only and
are not intended to be relied upon as legal or professional advice.
> Did you hear about a project law to refuse access in Toronto
> for immigrants? They base their argument on qualified jobs
> in smaller cities which would need skilled people. We know
> that almost all jobs are in Toronto. Are they dreaming?
> Any details about this project?
I don't necessarily agree with your claim that "almost all jobs
are in Toronto". However . . . .
I assume you mean a "bill" (the English equivalent of the French
phrase "projet de loi") -- i.e., a legislative proposal that is
still being considered and which has not yet been (and, in fact,
might or might not ever be) fully enacted and come into force as
an official, binding law.
I confess I'm not familiar with any such bill. However, it might
be difficult in practice to implement such a restriction, since
subsection 6(2) of the Charter gives permanent residents (as well
as citizens) the right to live and work in any province, and I
can imagine that someone could successfully argue that not being
able to work in Toronto unreasonably restricted his/her right to
work anywhere in Ontario.
Note too, for what it may be worth, that section 6 is NOT one of
the sections of the Charter that can be temporarily overridden
via section 33 (the "notwithstanding" clause).
Rich Wales [email protected] http://www.richw.org
*NOTE: I've lived in both Canada and the US and have dual citizenship.
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, professional immigration consultant,
or consular officer. My comments are for discussion purposes only and
are not intended to be relied upon as legal or professional advice.
May 26th 2003, 6:54 pm
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
no way! there is no way to tell a canadian immigrant where to live, i mean
anywhere in canada
who's posting these poisoned articles in here?!? what do you think that
canada is texas or something?!?
d
"hary" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> Did you hear about a project law to refuse access in Toronto for
immigrants ?
> They base their argument on qualified jobs in smaller cities which would
need
> skilled people. We know that almost all jobs are in Toronto. Are they
dreaming ?
> Any details about this project ?
> Regards,
> Harry
anywhere in canada
who's posting these poisoned articles in here?!? what do you think that
canada is texas or something?!?
d
"hary" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> Did you hear about a project law to refuse access in Toronto for
immigrants ?
> They base their argument on qualified jobs in smaller cities which would
need
> skilled people. We know that almost all jobs are in Toronto. Are they
dreaming ?
> Any details about this project ?
> Regards,
> Harry
May 26th 2003, 7:24 pm
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
> who's posting these poisoned articles in here?!? what do you think that
> canada is texas or something?!?
Last week on radio I heard the same ideas about such project.
> canada is texas or something?!?
Last week on radio I heard the same ideas about such project.
May 26th 2003, 7:52 pm
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
This project is not new, they have been talking about it since last year.... It is not only about Toronto, but the other big cities as well like Vancouver, Montreal etc... The idea is to integrate the immigration to the whole canada rather than 3-4 specific locations....
May 27th 2003, 12:03 am
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
> > Did you hear about a project law to refuse access in Toronto
> > for immigrants? They base their argument on qualified jobs
> > in smaller cities which would need skilled people. We know
> > that almost all jobs are in Toronto. Are they dreaming?
> > Any details about this project?
>
> I don't necessarily agree with your claim that "almost all jobs
> are in Toronto". However . . . .
>
> I assume you mean a "bill" (the English equivalent of the French
> phrase "projet de loi") -- i.e., a legislative proposal that is
> still being considered and which has not yet been (and, in fact,
> might or might not ever be) fully enacted and come into force as
> an official, binding law.
>
> I confess I'm not familiar with any such bill. However, it might
> be difficult in practice to implement such a restriction, since
> subsection 6(2) of the Charter gives permanent residents (as well
> as citizens) the right to live and work in any province, and I
> can imagine that someone could successfully argue that not being
> able to work in Toronto unreasonably restricted his/her right to
> work anywhere in Ontario.
>
> Note too, for what it may be worth, that section 6 is NOT one of
> the sections of the Charter that can be temporarily overridden
> via section 33 (the "notwithstanding" clause).
There was some talk in the news recently by the Ontario provincial
government of wanting to implement an immigrant selection system
similar to the one Quebec has. A person applying for a Canadian
immigrant visa and whose province of destination was Ontario would have to
get approval from Ontario. In certain cases, the province
would only grant the permission (or be more inclined to grant it)
if the immigrant agreed to live for up to five years in specific areas
of the province.
This requirement would not apply to persons who already held
permanent resident status, or whose province of destination was
not Ontario. It would be an agreement that the immigrant would
make in order to be granted the privilage of being selected by
Ontario.
The details weren't really spelled out, and I'm not
even sure that it's a bill at this point in time, since the Ontario
government is expecting to call an election within the next
month or so. There's not really enough time to get it through,
and once the provincial parliament is dissolved, the bill would
die. I think it's more campaign talk than anything else.
Stephen Gallagher
> > for immigrants? They base their argument on qualified jobs
> > in smaller cities which would need skilled people. We know
> > that almost all jobs are in Toronto. Are they dreaming?
> > Any details about this project?
>
> I don't necessarily agree with your claim that "almost all jobs
> are in Toronto". However . . . .
>
> I assume you mean a "bill" (the English equivalent of the French
> phrase "projet de loi") -- i.e., a legislative proposal that is
> still being considered and which has not yet been (and, in fact,
> might or might not ever be) fully enacted and come into force as
> an official, binding law.
>
> I confess I'm not familiar with any such bill. However, it might
> be difficult in practice to implement such a restriction, since
> subsection 6(2) of the Charter gives permanent residents (as well
> as citizens) the right to live and work in any province, and I
> can imagine that someone could successfully argue that not being
> able to work in Toronto unreasonably restricted his/her right to
> work anywhere in Ontario.
>
> Note too, for what it may be worth, that section 6 is NOT one of
> the sections of the Charter that can be temporarily overridden
> via section 33 (the "notwithstanding" clause).
There was some talk in the news recently by the Ontario provincial
government of wanting to implement an immigrant selection system
similar to the one Quebec has. A person applying for a Canadian
immigrant visa and whose province of destination was Ontario would have to
get approval from Ontario. In certain cases, the province
would only grant the permission (or be more inclined to grant it)
if the immigrant agreed to live for up to five years in specific areas
of the province.
This requirement would not apply to persons who already held
permanent resident status, or whose province of destination was
not Ontario. It would be an agreement that the immigrant would
make in order to be granted the privilage of being selected by
Ontario.
The details weren't really spelled out, and I'm not
even sure that it's a bill at this point in time, since the Ontario
government is expecting to call an election within the next
month or so. There's not really enough time to get it through,
and once the provincial parliament is dissolved, the bill would
die. I think it's more campaign talk than anything else.
Stephen Gallagher
May 27th 2003, 12:32 am
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
> no way! there is no way to tell a canadian immigrant where to live, i mean
> anywhere in canada
Not the immigrants who have already been admitted to Canada. They're free
to live anywhere in Canada.
But there's been talk
of requiring new persons who apply to immigrate to Canada and whose destination is
Ontario to sign a promise to live only in certain areas for a period of time.
The province has a similar program whereby they will refund a physician's
medical school costs, if they agree to practice in rural areas for a number of
years.
It obviously wouldn't apply to family class immigrants or to people with job
offers based in Toronto.
I'm not quite sure if it's similar to Quebec's system, whereby if you want to
immigrate and your destination is Quebec, you must get approval from
Quebec. Instead, it may be similar to a program that Manitoba offers,
whereby Manitoba can choose to issue an immigrant visa to
a person who does not meet the federal selection criteria (other than the
security and health criteria), if that person agrees to live in Manitoba. They
use the program to attract immigrants. That doesn't mean that a person
who wants to immigrate to Manitoba must apply through this system.
If he meets the federal requirements then he doesn't have to apply to Manitoba.
The system that Ontario is talking about may be something more like that.
Persons who want to immigrate to Canada and who don't meet the
federal requirements may be allowed to immigrate if Ontario
chooses them. Ontario may require that they work in certain
parts of the province for a number of years, in exchange for
being selected under this program.
In no case are they considering an outright ban on immigrants into
Toronto.
Plus, it's only talk at this point. The province and the federal government
would both have to agree.
Stephen Gallagher
> anywhere in canada
Not the immigrants who have already been admitted to Canada. They're free
to live anywhere in Canada.
But there's been talk
of requiring new persons who apply to immigrate to Canada and whose destination is
Ontario to sign a promise to live only in certain areas for a period of time.
The province has a similar program whereby they will refund a physician's
medical school costs, if they agree to practice in rural areas for a number of
years.
It obviously wouldn't apply to family class immigrants or to people with job
offers based in Toronto.
I'm not quite sure if it's similar to Quebec's system, whereby if you want to
immigrate and your destination is Quebec, you must get approval from
Quebec. Instead, it may be similar to a program that Manitoba offers,
whereby Manitoba can choose to issue an immigrant visa to
a person who does not meet the federal selection criteria (other than the
security and health criteria), if that person agrees to live in Manitoba. They
use the program to attract immigrants. That doesn't mean that a person
who wants to immigrate to Manitoba must apply through this system.
If he meets the federal requirements then he doesn't have to apply to Manitoba.
The system that Ontario is talking about may be something more like that.
Persons who want to immigrate to Canada and who don't meet the
federal requirements may be allowed to immigrate if Ontario
chooses them. Ontario may require that they work in certain
parts of the province for a number of years, in exchange for
being selected under this program.
In no case are they considering an outright ban on immigrants into
Toronto.
Plus, it's only talk at this point. The province and the federal government
would both have to agree.
Stephen Gallagher
May 27th 2003, 11:51 am
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
> I'm not quite sure if it's similar to Quebec's system, whereby if you want to
> immigrate and your destination is Quebec, you must get approval from
> Quebec. Instead, it may be similar to a program that Manitoba offers,
> whereby Manitoba can choose to issue an immigrant visa to
> a person who does not meet the federal selection criteria (other than the
> security and health criteria), if that person agrees to live in Manitoba.
Thank you all for your interesting inputs. Of course my goal is not to
poison the forum. This discussion helps us to get rid of rumor which I
find personnaly scary.
As far as I have understood, Immigrants selected for Quebec are
required to land in Quebec. But when the PR visa is issued, they are
free to go everywhere in Canada.
I would understand that restricting access in Canada would be in the
frame of another type of visa. Although this might become very
complicated for both administration and immigrants.
Thank you all for all your ideas.
P.S: Of course "Project law" was my litteral translation of "Projet de
loi". I didn't know the term bill ;-)
> immigrate and your destination is Quebec, you must get approval from
> Quebec. Instead, it may be similar to a program that Manitoba offers,
> whereby Manitoba can choose to issue an immigrant visa to
> a person who does not meet the federal selection criteria (other than the
> security and health criteria), if that person agrees to live in Manitoba.
Thank you all for your interesting inputs. Of course my goal is not to
poison the forum. This discussion helps us to get rid of rumor which I
find personnaly scary.
As far as I have understood, Immigrants selected for Quebec are
required to land in Quebec. But when the PR visa is issued, they are
free to go everywhere in Canada.
I would understand that restricting access in Canada would be in the
frame of another type of visa. Although this might become very
complicated for both administration and immigrants.
Thank you all for all your ideas.
P.S: Of course "Project law" was my litteral translation of "Projet de
loi". I didn't know the term bill ;-)
May 28th 2003, 1:22 pm
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
> As far as I have understood, Immigrants selected for Quebec are
> required to land in Quebec. But when the PR visa is issued, they are
> free to go everywhere in Canada.
First I've got to apologize for my poor english skills.
Concerning the Immigrants selected for Quebec,
they have to sign up a paper that says Quebec
is the place they intends to live. Beside this, they
may settle everywhere in Canada. So, I don't know
what is the meaning for this. Does anybody can
enlight me?
> required to land in Quebec. But when the PR visa is issued, they are
> free to go everywhere in Canada.
First I've got to apologize for my poor english skills.
Concerning the Immigrants selected for Quebec,
they have to sign up a paper that says Quebec
is the place they intends to live. Beside this, they
may settle everywhere in Canada. So, I don't know
what is the meaning for this. Does anybody can
enlight me?
May 28th 2003, 4:23 pm
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Re: Ontario immigrants will be limited outside Toronto
> First I've got to apologize for my poor english skills.
Why do you apologize? Your English is excellent. (except for the word
"english")
Why do you apologize? Your English is excellent. (except for the word
"english")
