not enough points to apply for PR

Old May 19th 2003, 10:39 am
  #1  
Allen_liem
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Default not enough points to apply for PR

Hi friends,

I found the following information from guide of skilled worker
(federal skilled workers):
"If your total score less than pass mark
However, you may apply if you believe there are OTHER FACTORS
that would help you to become economically established in
Canada. Send a detailed letter with your application explaining
these factors. Include any documents that support your claim."

Could any of you (experts or others) advise me regarding what factors
that
they are talking about?

Thanks in advance,

-Allen-
 
Old May 19th 2003, 12:30 pm
  #2  
Andrew Miller
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Default Re: not enough points to apply for PR

Those "other factors" are not defined anywhere but one must have rather
unique skills, qualifications and/or achievements that are sought after by
many employers but are hard to find to have a chance for substitute
evaluation. For example if you can't reach pass mark but are recognized
expert in your field with well proven experience and everybody may want you
on their team then you may have a chance - but if you are just an average
Joe then not likely.

Almost every occupation field has people who have well above average skills
and achievements in particular area, people who's expertise sets or exceeds
standards, people who are often asked for their suggestions and/or who's
expertise and opinion are recognized not only within the company they work
for but within the industry. If you are one of those then you may have a
shot.

If you have proven having and successfully using your abilities to adapt, to
go beyond your narrow skills in various environments, to work with good
results in many occupations then you may also have a chance. But word of
caution here - if you want to claim such skills and abilities then why not
to find arranged employment in the first place. It will not only prove your
claim but also bring your points above pass mark.

So, instead of trying to find out what can "work" on processing officer
start using your resourcefulness (if you have one) and get a job offer. Thus
you won't need to worry about having not enough points. About 110,000 work
permits were issued in 2002 - is your resourcefulness as good as theirs?
Show it.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Allen_liem" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi friends,
    > I found the following information from guide of skilled worker
    > (federal skilled workers):
    > "If your total score less than pass mark
    > However, you may apply if you believe there are OTHER FACTORS
    > that would help you to become economically established in
    > Canada. Send a detailed letter with your application explaining
    > these factors. Include any documents that support your claim."
    > Could any of you (experts or others) advise me regarding what factors
    > that
    > they are talking about?
    > Thanks in advance,
    > -Allen-
 
Old May 20th 2003, 3:55 am
  #3  
Allen_liem
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Default Re: not enough points to apply for PR

Thanks for your advice Mr. Miller

-Allen-


"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > Those "other factors" are not defined anywhere but one must have rather
    > unique skills, qualifications and/or achievements that are sought after by
    > many employers but are hard to find to have a chance for substitute
    > evaluation. For example if you can't reach pass mark but are recognized
    > expert in your field with well proven experience and everybody may want you
    > on their team then you may have a chance - but if you are just an average
    > Joe then not likely.
    >
    > Almost every occupation field has people who have well above average skills
    > and achievements in particular area, people who's expertise sets or exceeds
    > standards, people who are often asked for their suggestions and/or who's
    > expertise and opinion are recognized not only within the company they work
    > for but within the industry. If you are one of those then you may have a
    > shot.
    >
    > If you have proven having and successfully using your abilities to adapt, to
    > go beyond your narrow skills in various environments, to work with good
    > results in many occupations then you may also have a chance. But word of
    > caution here - if you want to claim such skills and abilities then why not
    > to find arranged employment in the first place. It will not only prove your
    > claim but also bring your points above pass mark.
    >
    > So, instead of trying to find out what can "work" on processing officer
    > start using your resourcefulness (if you have one) and get a job offer. Thus
    > you won't need to worry about having not enough points. About 110,000 work
    > permits were issued in 2002 - is your resourcefulness as good as theirs?
    > Show it.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "Allen_liem" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Hi friends,
    > >
    > > I found the following information from guide of skilled worker
    > > (federal skilled workers):
    > > "If your total score less than pass mark
    > > However, you may apply if you believe there are OTHER FACTORS
    > > that would help you to become economically established in
    > > Canada. Send a detailed letter with your application explaining
    > > these factors. Include any documents that support your claim."
    > >
    > > Could any of you (experts or others) advise me regarding what factors
    > > that
    > > they are talking about?
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance,
    > >
    > > -Allen-
 
Old May 20th 2003, 12:00 pm
  #4  
Ravikumar
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Posts: n/a
Default Re: not enough points to apply for PR

Mr Miller
Thanks for your Information. Well i would like to ask you
one thing. Is it that easy to get a work permit in canada. Well i am
an Industrial Pharmacist from India, and i completed my MS in Canada.
And accordingly i got a workpermit for one full year.After that i went
back home , to get some of my personal stuff done. After i came back ,
the same company , for which i worked, was interested in sponsoring
me. But when consulted, we got to know that its not that easy to get a
work permit. So please, if u dont mind, please give us some
suggestions as to how to go forward with, and get the work permit, as
its not that easy to get clearence from the HRDC. So waiting for ur
suggestion.

Regards
Ravikumar





[email protected] (Allen_liem) wrote in message news:...
    > Thanks for your advice Mr. Miller
    >
    > -Allen-
    >
    >
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > > Those "other factors" are not defined anywhere but one must have rather
    > > unique skills, qualifications and/or achievements that are sought after by
    > > many employers but are hard to find to have a chance for substitute
    > > evaluation. For example if you can't reach pass mark but are recognized
    > > expert in your field with well proven experience and everybody may want you
    > > on their team then you may have a chance - but if you are just an average
    > > Joe then not likely.
    > >
    > > Almost every occupation field has people who have well above average skills
    > > and achievements in particular area, people who's expertise sets or exceeds
    > > standards, people who are often asked for their suggestions and/or who's
    > > expertise and opinion are recognized not only within the company they work
    > > for but within the industry. If you are one of those then you may have a
    > > shot.
    > >
    > > If you have proven having and successfully using your abilities to adapt, to
    > > go beyond your narrow skills in various environments, to work with good
    > > results in many occupations then you may also have a chance. But word of
    > > caution here - if you want to claim such skills and abilities then why not
    > > to find arranged employment in the first place. It will not only prove your
    > > claim but also bring your points above pass mark.
    > >
    > > So, instead of trying to find out what can "work" on processing officer
    > > start using your resourcefulness (if you have one) and get a job offer. Thus
    > > you won't need to worry about having not enough points. About 110,000 work
    > > permits were issued in 2002 - is your resourcefulness as good as theirs?
    > > Show it.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Allen_liem" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Hi friends,
    > > >
    > > > I found the following information from guide of skilled worker
    > > > (federal skilled workers):
    > > > "If your total score less than pass mark
    > > > However, you may apply if you believe there are OTHER FACTORS
    > > > that would help you to become economically established in
    > > > Canada. Send a detailed letter with your application explaining
    > > > these factors. Include any documents that support your claim."
    > > >
    > > > Could any of you (experts or others) advise me regarding what factors
    > > > that
    > > > they are talking about?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks in advance,
    > > >
    > > > -Allen-
 
Old May 20th 2003, 12:44 pm
  #5  
Andrew Miller
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Default Re: not enough points to apply for PR

Getting work permit is very easy and simple if you are not inadmissible to
Canada, have solid ties to your home country and employer provides you with
temporary job offer validated by HRDC. The validation part is what may be
somehow difficult or sometimes even impossible to obtain - HRDC will
validate job offer for work permit only if employer documents that after
extensive search for suitable candidate across Canada no Canadian worker was
found, regardless that job conditions and salary are competitive enough to
attract and retain Canadians. Once the above is well documented getting the
validation is not that difficult.

But in my reply to the original post (by Allen) I suggested getting job
offer as arranged employment for the purpose of PR visa application - this
kind of job offer (as long as applicant has no intention to work in Canada
prior to becoming a PR) requires only positive opinion from HRDC. This kind
of approval doesn't require employer to prove that no Canadian worker was
found, only to document that company is in business and has employees for at
least 12 months and that conditions of offered job and salary are sufficient
to attract and retain Canadians. So, it is really a piece of cake if done
properly.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Ravikumar" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr Miller
    > Thanks for your Information. Well i would like to ask you
    > one thing. Is it that easy to get a work permit in canada. Well i am
    > an Industrial Pharmacist from India, and i completed my MS in Canada.
    > And accordingly i got a workpermit for one full year.After that i went
    > back home , to get some of my personal stuff done. After i came back ,
    > the same company , for which i worked, was interested in sponsoring
    > me. But when consulted, we got to know that its not that easy to get a
    > work permit. So please, if u dont mind, please give us some
    > suggestions as to how to go forward with, and get the work permit, as
    > its not that easy to get clearence from the HRDC. So waiting for ur
    > suggestion.
    > Regards
    > Ravikumar
    > [email protected] (Allen_liem) wrote in message
news:...
    > > Thanks for your advice Mr. Miller
    > >
    > > -Allen-
    > >
    > >
    > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > > Those "other factors" are not defined anywhere but one must have
rather
    > > > unique skills, qualifications and/or achievements that are sought
after by
    > > > many employers but are hard to find to have a chance for substitute
    > > > evaluation. For example if you can't reach pass mark but are
recognized
    > > > expert in your field with well proven experience and everybody may
want you
    > > > on their team then you may have a chance - but if you are just an
average
    > > > Joe then not likely.
    > > >
    > > > Almost every occupation field has people who have well above average
skills
    > > > and achievements in particular area, people who's expertise sets or
exceeds
    > > > standards, people who are often asked for their suggestions and/or
who's
    > > > expertise and opinion are recognized not only within the company they
work
    > > > for but within the industry. If you are one of those then you may have
a
    > > > shot.
    > > >
    > > > If you have proven having and successfully using your abilities to
adapt, to
    > > > go beyond your narrow skills in various environments, to work with
good
    > > > results in many occupations then you may also have a chance. But word
of
    > > > caution here - if you want to claim such skills and abilities then why
not
    > > > to find arranged employment in the first place. It will not only prove
your
    > > > claim but also bring your points above pass mark.
    > > >
    > > > So, instead of trying to find out what can "work" on processing
officer
    > > > start using your resourcefulness (if you have one) and get a job
offer. Thus
    > > > you won't need to worry about having not enough points. About 110,000
work
    > > > permits were issued in 2002 - is your resourcefulness as good as
theirs?
    > > > Show it.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ../..
    > > >
    > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > ________________________________
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Allen_liem" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Hi friends,
    > > > >
    > > > > I found the following information from guide of skilled worker
    > > > > (federal skilled workers):
    > > > > "If your total score less than pass mark
    > > > > However, you may apply if you believe there are OTHER FACTORS
    > > > > that would help you to become economically established in
    > > > > Canada. Send a detailed letter with your application explaining
    > > > > these factors. Include any documents that support your claim."
    > > > >
    > > > > Could any of you (experts or others) advise me regarding what
factors
    > > > > that
    > > > > they are talking about?
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks in advance,
    > > > >
    > > > > -Allen-
 
Old May 20th 2003, 11:56 pm
  #6  
Ravikumar
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Default Re: not enough points to apply for PR

Mr Miller
Thanks for ur suggestion. Would u mind , How to get the
approval from HRDC. Like, who should apply to the HRDC, my self or the
Sponsorer. Thanks in advance









"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > Getting work permit is very easy and simple if you are not inadmissible to
    > Canada, have solid ties to your home country and employer provides you with
    > temporary job offer validated by HRDC. The validation part is what may be
    > somehow difficult or sometimes even impossible to obtain - HRDC will
    > validate job offer for work permit only if employer documents that after
    > extensive search for suitable candidate across Canada no Canadian worker was
    > found, regardless that job conditions and salary are competitive enough to
    > attract and retain Canadians. Once the above is well documented getting the
    > validation is not that difficult.
    >
    > But in my reply to the original post (by Allen) I suggested getting job
    > offer as arranged employment for the purpose of PR visa application - this
    > kind of job offer (as long as applicant has no intention to work in Canada
    > prior to becoming a PR) requires only positive opinion from HRDC. This kind
    > of approval doesn't require employer to prove that no Canadian worker was
    > found, only to document that company is in business and has employees for at
    > least 12 months and that conditions of offered job and salary are sufficient
    > to attract and retain Canadians. So, it is really a piece of cake if done
    > properly.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "Ravikumar" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Mr Miller
    > > Thanks for your Information. Well i would like to ask you
    > > one thing. Is it that easy to get a work permit in canada. Well i am
    > > an Industrial Pharmacist from India, and i completed my MS in Canada.
    > > And accordingly i got a workpermit for one full year.After that i went
    > > back home , to get some of my personal stuff done. After i came back ,
    > > the same company , for which i worked, was interested in sponsoring
    > > me. But when consulted, we got to know that its not that easy to get a
    > > work permit. So please, if u dont mind, please give us some
    > > suggestions as to how to go forward with, and get the work permit, as
    > > its not that easy to get clearence from the HRDC. So waiting for ur
    > > suggestion.
    > >
    > > Regards
    > > Ravikumar
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (Allen_liem) wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > Thanks for your advice Mr. Miller
    > > >
    > > > -Allen-
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > > Those "other factors" are not defined anywhere but one must have
    > rather
    > > > > unique skills, qualifications and/or achievements that are sought
    > after by
    > > > > many employers but are hard to find to have a chance for substitute
    > > > > evaluation. For example if you can't reach pass mark but are
    > recognized
    > > > > expert in your field with well proven experience and everybody may
    > want you
    > > > > on their team then you may have a chance - but if you are just an
    > average
    > > > > Joe then not likely.
    > > > >
    > > > > Almost every occupation field has people who have well above average
    > skills
    > > > > and achievements in particular area, people who's expertise sets or
    > exceeds
    > > > > standards, people who are often asked for their suggestions and/or
    > who's
    > > > > expertise and opinion are recognized not only within the company they
    > work
    > > > > for but within the industry. If you are one of those then you may have
    > a
    > > > > shot.
    > > > >
    > > > > If you have proven having and successfully using your abilities to
    > adapt, to
    > > > > go beyond your narrow skills in various environments, to work with
    > good
    > > > > results in many occupations then you may also have a chance. But word
    > of
    > > > > caution here - if you want to claim such skills and abilities then why
    > not
    > > > > to find arranged employment in the first place. It will not only prove
    > your
    > > > > claim but also bring your points above pass mark.
    > > > >
    > > > > So, instead of trying to find out what can "work" on processing
    > officer
    > > > > start using your resourcefulness (if you have one) and get a job
    > offer. Thus
    > > > > you won't need to worry about having not enough points. About 110,000
    > work
    > > > > permits were issued in 2002 - is your resourcefulness as good as
    > theirs?
    > > > > Show it.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > > ________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Allen_liem" wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > Hi friends,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I found the following information from guide of skilled worker
    > > > > > (federal skilled workers):
    > > > > > "If your total score less than pass mark
    > > > > > However, you may apply if you believe there are OTHER FACTORS
    > > > > > that would help you to become economically established in
    > > > > > Canada. Send a detailed letter with your application explaining
    > > > > > these factors. Include any documents that support your claim."
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Could any of you (experts or others) advise me regarding what
    > factors
    > > > > > that
    > > > > > they are talking about?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks in advance,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > -Allen-
 
Old May 21st 2003, 2:51 am
  #7  
Andrew Miller
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: not enough points to apply for PR

It is employer who must apply for job offer validation or arranged
employment opinion to HRDC. You can't do anything in that respect. Your
employer should contact HRDC for instructions or hire expert to assist in
the process of obtaining proper approval.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Ravikumar" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr Miller
    > Thanks for ur suggestion. Would u mind , How to get the
    > approval from HRDC. Like, who should apply to the HRDC, my self or the
    > Sponsorer. Thanks in advance
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Getting work permit is very easy and simple if you are not inadmissible
to
    > > Canada, have solid ties to your home country and employer provides you
with
    > > temporary job offer validated by HRDC. The validation part is what may
be
    > > somehow difficult or sometimes even impossible to obtain - HRDC will
    > > validate job offer for work permit only if employer documents that after
    > > extensive search for suitable candidate across Canada no Canadian worker
was
    > > found, regardless that job conditions and salary are competitive enough
to
    > > attract and retain Canadians. Once the above is well documented getting
the
    > > validation is not that difficult.
    > >
    > > But in my reply to the original post (by Allen) I suggested getting job
    > > offer as arranged employment for the purpose of PR visa application -
this
    > > kind of job offer (as long as applicant has no intention to work in
Canada
    > > prior to becoming a PR) requires only positive opinion from HRDC. This
kind
    > > of approval doesn't require employer to prove that no Canadian worker
was
    > > found, only to document that company is in business and has employees
for at
    > > least 12 months and that conditions of offered job and salary are
sufficient
    > > to attract and retain Canadians. So, it is really a piece of cake if
done
    > > properly.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Ravikumar" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Mr Miller
    > > > Thanks for your Information. Well i would like to ask you
    > > > one thing. Is it that easy to get a work permit in canada. Well i am
    > > > an Industrial Pharmacist from India, and i completed my MS in Canada.
    > > > And accordingly i got a workpermit for one full year.After that i went
    > > > back home , to get some of my personal stuff done. After i came back ,
    > > > the same company , for which i worked, was interested in sponsoring
    > > > me. But when consulted, we got to know that its not that easy to get a
    > > > work permit. So please, if u dont mind, please give us some
    > > > suggestions as to how to go forward with, and get the work permit, as
    > > > its not that easy to get clearence from the HRDC. So waiting for ur
    > > > suggestion.
    > > >
    > > > Regards
    > > > Ravikumar
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > [email protected] (Allen_liem) wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > > Thanks for your advice Mr. Miller
    > > > >
    > > > > -Allen-
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
message
    > > news:...
    > > > > > Those "other factors" are not defined anywhere but one must have
    > > rather
    > > > > > unique skills, qualifications and/or achievements that are sought
    > > after by
    > > > > > many employers but are hard to find to have a chance for
substitute
    > > > > > evaluation. For example if you can't reach pass mark but are
    > > recognized
    > > > > > expert in your field with well proven experience and everybody may
    > > want you
    > > > > > on their team then you may have a chance - but if you are just an
    > > average
    > > > > > Joe then not likely.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Almost every occupation field has people who have well above
average
    > > skills
    > > > > > and achievements in particular area, people who's expertise sets
or
    > > exceeds
    > > > > > standards, people who are often asked for their suggestions and/or
    > > who's
    > > > > > expertise and opinion are recognized not only within the company
they
    > > work
    > > > > > for but within the industry. If you are one of those then you may
have
    > > a
    > > > > > shot.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > If you have proven having and successfully using your abilities to
    > > adapt, to
    > > > > > go beyond your narrow skills in various environments, to work with
    > > good
    > > > > > results in many occupations then you may also have a chance. But
word
    > > of
    > > > > > caution here - if you want to claim such skills and abilities then
why
    > > not
    > > > > > to find arranged employment in the first place. It will not only
prove
    > > your
    > > > > > claim but also bring your points above pass mark.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > So, instead of trying to find out what can "work" on processing
    > > officer
    > > > > > start using your resourcefulness (if you have one) and get a job
    > > offer. Thus
    > > > > > you won't need to worry about having not enough points. About
110,000
    > > work
    > > > > > permits were issued in 2002 - is your resourcefulness as good as
    > > theirs?
    > > > > > Show it.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > >
    > > > > > ../..
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > > > ________________________________
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Allen_liem" wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > Hi friends,
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I found the following information from guide of skilled worker
    > > > > > > (federal skilled workers):
    > > > > > > "If your total score less than pass mark
    > > > > > > However, you may apply if you believe there are OTHER FACTORS
    > > > > > > that would help you to become economically established in
    > > > > > > Canada. Send a detailed letter with your application explaining
    > > > > > > these factors. Include any documents that support your claim."
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Could any of you (experts or others) advise me regarding what
    > > factors
    > > > > > > that
    > > > > > > they are talking about?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Thanks in advance,
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > -Allen-
 

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