Montreal or Toronto to live and work?
Oct 26th 2002, 6:18 am
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Montreal or Toronto to live and work?
Guys,
I am trying to make up my mind on where to settle when I move to to Canada. I am Software Engineer and English is my primary language of choice, although I can get by with French. I am considering Montreal first because I got the CSQ, but for some reason and after I read more about the city, I am starting to fall in love with Montreal more than Toronto. I have been to Toronto before (mainly Mississauga), and it just feels like another U.S. city, but I've never been to Montreal. I have a feeling Montreal would be a nicer place to live, work and possibly get my PhD hopefully at McGill. I don't know the decision could be tough because with Toronto I would not feel much homesick since it's pretty much like the U.S., but with Montreal I will definitely be exposed to a new culture (hopefully a good one) and learn new things. I guess my main concern would be work. So, here is a question for you all: Which of the two has more IT jobs or opportunities? It seems the answer is Toronto...If so, how are the two compared to each other or how far lagging behind is Montreal? I heard also, that Ottawa is becoming the Canadian Silicon Valley. How is it like up there compared to Montreal and Toronto?
Thank you for your input.
I am trying to make up my mind on where to settle when I move to to Canada. I am Software Engineer and English is my primary language of choice, although I can get by with French. I am considering Montreal first because I got the CSQ, but for some reason and after I read more about the city, I am starting to fall in love with Montreal more than Toronto. I have been to Toronto before (mainly Mississauga), and it just feels like another U.S. city, but I've never been to Montreal. I have a feeling Montreal would be a nicer place to live, work and possibly get my PhD hopefully at McGill. I don't know the decision could be tough because with Toronto I would not feel much homesick since it's pretty much like the U.S., but with Montreal I will definitely be exposed to a new culture (hopefully a good one) and learn new things. I guess my main concern would be work. So, here is a question for you all: Which of the two has more IT jobs or opportunities? It seems the answer is Toronto...If so, how are the two compared to each other or how far lagging behind is Montreal? I heard also, that Ottawa is becoming the Canadian Silicon Valley. How is it like up there compared to Montreal and Toronto?
Thank you for your input.
Oct 26th 2002, 11:13 pm
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Re: Montreal or Toronto to live and work?
Hello,
wired reported 2000 that only montreal is a tech hub in canada and
this means in software, too
information in english about the metropol and all the business you
will find via www.gov.qc.ca
bonne chance
maxim
zico wrote in message news:...
> Guys,
> I am trying to make up my mind on where to settle when I move
> to to Canada. I am Software Engineer and English is my
> primary language of choice, although I can get by with
> French. I am considering Montreal first because I got the
> CSQ, but for some reason and after I read more about the
> city, I am starting to fall in love with Montreal more than
> Toronto. I have been to Toronto before (mainly Mississauga),
> and it just feels like another U.S. city, but I've never been
> to Montreal. I have a feeling Montreal would be a nicer place
> to live, work and possibly get my PhD hopefully at McGill. I
> don't know the decision could be tough because with Toronto I
> would not feel much homesick since it's pretty much like the
> U.S., but with Montreal I will definitely be exposed to a new
> culture (hopefully a good one) and learn new things. I guess
> my main concern would be work. So, here is a question for you
> all: Which of the two has more IT jobs or opportunities? It
> seems the answer is Toronto...If so, how are the two compared
> to each other or how far lagging behind is Montreal? I heard
> also, that Ottawa is becoming the Canadian Silicon Valley.
> How is it like up there compared to Montreal and Toronto?
> Thank you for your input.
wired reported 2000 that only montreal is a tech hub in canada and
this means in software, too
information in english about the metropol and all the business you
will find via www.gov.qc.ca
bonne chance
maxim
zico wrote in message news:...
> Guys,
> I am trying to make up my mind on where to settle when I move
> to to Canada. I am Software Engineer and English is my
> primary language of choice, although I can get by with
> French. I am considering Montreal first because I got the
> CSQ, but for some reason and after I read more about the
> city, I am starting to fall in love with Montreal more than
> Toronto. I have been to Toronto before (mainly Mississauga),
> and it just feels like another U.S. city, but I've never been
> to Montreal. I have a feeling Montreal would be a nicer place
> to live, work and possibly get my PhD hopefully at McGill. I
> don't know the decision could be tough because with Toronto I
> would not feel much homesick since it's pretty much like the
> U.S., but with Montreal I will definitely be exposed to a new
> culture (hopefully a good one) and learn new things. I guess
> my main concern would be work. So, here is a question for you
> all: Which of the two has more IT jobs or opportunities? It
> seems the answer is Toronto...If so, how are the two compared
> to each other or how far lagging behind is Montreal? I heard
> also, that Ottawa is becoming the Canadian Silicon Valley.
> How is it like up there compared to Montreal and Toronto?
> Thank you for your input.
Oct 27th 2002, 7:13 pm
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zico wrote in message news:...
The overwhelming majority of professional jobs in Montreal demand
bilingualism. There are jobs for people who only know English but
these are far fewer and normally either contract or very specialised
positions.
Montreal is different from other North American cities in some ways,
but certainally not as much as you might think. Even here in Quebec
City where I live (which is the heart of French North America) when
you drive along the autoroute close to the industrial and business
parks, malls, etc, its just like any other North American city, except
of course all signs are in French.
You can live in parts of Montreal without hearing or speaking a word
of French, (sad but true). It can also be a bit difficult to try to
speak French if your an anglophone and your not completely fluent in
French, as some Montrealer's tend to have a habit of speaking English
to you if you either dont understand immediately or you hesitate a bit
in finding the words that you wish to say.
Good luck in your project
Ashley Watson
The overwhelming majority of professional jobs in Montreal demand
bilingualism. There are jobs for people who only know English but
these are far fewer and normally either contract or very specialised
positions.
Montreal is different from other North American cities in some ways,
but certainally not as much as you might think. Even here in Quebec
City where I live (which is the heart of French North America) when
you drive along the autoroute close to the industrial and business
parks, malls, etc, its just like any other North American city, except
of course all signs are in French.
You can live in parts of Montreal without hearing or speaking a word
of French, (sad but true). It can also be a bit difficult to try to
speak French if your an anglophone and your not completely fluent in
French, as some Montrealer's tend to have a habit of speaking English
to you if you either dont understand immediately or you hesitate a bit
in finding the words that you wish to say.
Good luck in your project
Ashley Watson
Oct 28th 2002, 12:43 am
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Re: Montreal or Toronto to live and work?
Ashley,
Thanks for your input. Can you tell me anything about how tech jobs in Montreal compare to Toronto. In other words, are there more tech jobs in Montreal than Toronto or vice versa? Also, I heard in Montreal that the IT sector is mainly dominated my anglophones...is that true?
Thank you...
P.S. your English is pretty good for someone living in Quebec City.
Thanks for your input. Can you tell me anything about how tech jobs in Montreal compare to Toronto. In other words, are there more tech jobs in Montreal than Toronto or vice versa? Also, I heard in Montreal that the IT sector is mainly dominated my anglophones...is that true?
Thank you...
P.S. your English is pretty good for someone living in Quebec City.
Originally posted by Ashley Watson
zico wrote in message news:...
The overwhelming majority of professional jobs in Montreal demand
bilingualism. There are jobs for people who only know English but
these are far fewer and normally either contract or very specialised
positions.
Montreal is different from other North American cities in some ways,
but certainally not as much as you might think. Even here in Quebec
City where I live (which is the heart of French North America) when
you drive along the autoroute close to the industrial and business
parks, malls, etc, its just like any other North American city, except
of course all signs are in French.
You can live in parts of Montreal without hearing or speaking a word
of French, (sad but true). It can also be a bit difficult to try to
speak French if your an anglophone and your not completely fluent in
French, as some Montrealer's tend to have a habit of speaking English
to you if you either dont understand immediately or you hesitate a bit
in finding the words that you wish to say.
Good luck in your project
Ashley Watson
zico wrote in message news:...
The overwhelming majority of professional jobs in Montreal demand
bilingualism. There are jobs for people who only know English but
these are far fewer and normally either contract or very specialised
positions.
Montreal is different from other North American cities in some ways,
but certainally not as much as you might think. Even here in Quebec
City where I live (which is the heart of French North America) when
you drive along the autoroute close to the industrial and business
parks, malls, etc, its just like any other North American city, except
of course all signs are in French.
You can live in parts of Montreal without hearing or speaking a word
of French, (sad but true). It can also be a bit difficult to try to
speak French if your an anglophone and your not completely fluent in
French, as some Montrealer's tend to have a habit of speaking English
to you if you either dont understand immediately or you hesitate a bit
in finding the words that you wish to say.
Good luck in your project
Ashley Watson
Oct 28th 2002, 3:03 am
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zico wrote:
> P.S. your English is pretty good for someone living in Quebec City.
While it is possible that someone with the name Ashley Watson *could*
conceivably be a predominant or native francophone, it is far more
likely that this person is predominantly an anglophone. Neither the
forename, nor the last name are French in origin. Watson being English
(son of Wat(t)) and Ashley after the ash tree in the lee of the hill
also being very English.
Stuart
> P.S. your English is pretty good for someone living in Quebec City.
While it is possible that someone with the name Ashley Watson *could*
conceivably be a predominant or native francophone, it is far more
likely that this person is predominantly an anglophone. Neither the
forename, nor the last name are French in origin. Watson being English
(son of Wat(t)) and Ashley after the ash tree in the lee of the hill
also being very English.
Stuart
Oct 28th 2002, 3:35 am
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Re: Montreal or Toronto to live and work?
Stuart,
Perhaps you can try and answer my question instead of trying to make me look stupid. I thought you care about helping people, not making fun of them. Anyways, since you're Canadian, your answer/input to my above question will be valuable and appreciated.
P.S. I know that Ashley Watson is a very anglophone name, but has it occured to you that maybe that's not her real name, that she is a francophone using an anglophone name. Also, I don't think many people with that name will be living in that neck of the woods unless they are Irish immigrants (like Brian Mulroney) who thought they landed in France and had to just live with it.
Perhaps you can try and answer my question instead of trying to make me look stupid. I thought you care about helping people, not making fun of them. Anyways, since you're Canadian, your answer/input to my above question will be valuable and appreciated.
P.S. I know that Ashley Watson is a very anglophone name, but has it occured to you that maybe that's not her real name, that she is a francophone using an anglophone name. Also, I don't think many people with that name will be living in that neck of the woods unless they are Irish immigrants (like Brian Mulroney) who thought they landed in France and had to just live with it.
Originally posted by Stuart Brook
zico wrote:
> P.S. your English is pretty good for someone living in Quebec City.
While it is possible that someone with the name Ashley Watson *could*
conceivably be a predominant or native francophone, it is far more
likely that this person is predominantly an anglophone. Neither the
forename, nor the last name are French in origin. Watson being English
(son of Wat(t)) and Ashley after the ash tree in the lee of the hill
also being very English.
Stuart
zico wrote:
> P.S. your English is pretty good for someone living in Quebec City.
While it is possible that someone with the name Ashley Watson *could*
conceivably be a predominant or native francophone, it is far more
likely that this person is predominantly an anglophone. Neither the
forename, nor the last name are French in origin. Watson being English
(son of Wat(t)) and Ashley after the ash tree in the lee of the hill
also being very English.
Stuart
Oct 28th 2002, 11:51 am
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zico wrote:
> Stuart,
> Perhaps you can try and answer my question instead of trying to make
> me look stupid. I thought you care about helping people, not making
> fun of them. Anyways, since you're Canadian, your answer/input to my
> above question will be valuable and appreciated.
I don't need to help you look stupid ... you do that all by yourself.
And again your stupidity shows because there is no "above question" when
these british-expats messages get posted through onto the usenet.
> P.S. I know that Ashley Watson is a very anglophone name, but has it
> occured to you that maybe that's not her real name, that she is a
> francophone using an anglophone name. Also, I don't think many
> people with that name will be living in that neck of the woods
> unless they are Irish immigrants (like Brian Mulroney) who thought
> they landed in France and had to just live with it.
And yet again your stupidity shows ... Why would a francophone proud of
one's francophony post with an anglo name ? There are lots of English
people living in Quebec and in the city too ... LOTS of them ...
Stuart
> Stuart,
> Perhaps you can try and answer my question instead of trying to make
> me look stupid. I thought you care about helping people, not making
> fun of them. Anyways, since you're Canadian, your answer/input to my
> above question will be valuable and appreciated.
I don't need to help you look stupid ... you do that all by yourself.
And again your stupidity shows because there is no "above question" when
these british-expats messages get posted through onto the usenet.
> P.S. I know that Ashley Watson is a very anglophone name, but has it
> occured to you that maybe that's not her real name, that she is a
> francophone using an anglophone name. Also, I don't think many
> people with that name will be living in that neck of the woods
> unless they are Irish immigrants (like Brian Mulroney) who thought
> they landed in France and had to just live with it.
And yet again your stupidity shows ... Why would a francophone proud of
one's francophony post with an anglo name ? There are lots of English
people living in Quebec and in the city too ... LOTS of them ...
Stuart
Oct 28th 2002, 12:34 pm
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Re: Montreal or Toronto to live and work?
Stuart,
First of, I want to say that you are the reason why Americans don't like stuck-up Canadians like you. Second of all, if I am stupid, then you are a total retard because the subject of this post is a question "Montreal or Toronto to live and work?"...Damn, I thought Canucks are smarter than that. Now, I am having second thoughts about going up there.
P.S.
FYI, I don't think there are many anglophones living in Quebec City. You are a total idiot and retarded Canuck. I can see why now francophones want to separate from the anglophones up there.
"Vive le Quebec libre"
First of, I want to say that you are the reason why Americans don't like stuck-up Canadians like you. Second of all, if I am stupid, then you are a total retard because the subject of this post is a question "Montreal or Toronto to live and work?"...Damn, I thought Canucks are smarter than that. Now, I am having second thoughts about going up there.
P.S.
FYI, I don't think there are many anglophones living in Quebec City. You are a total idiot and retarded Canuck. I can see why now francophones want to separate from the anglophones up there.
"Vive le Quebec libre"
Originally posted by Stuart Brook
zico wrote:
> Stuart,
> Perhaps you can try and answer my question instead of trying to make
> me look stupid. I thought you care about helping people, not making
> fun of them. Anyways, since you're Canadian, your answer/input to my
> above question will be valuable and appreciated.
I don't need to help you look stupid ... you do that all by yourself.
And again your stupidity shows because there is no "above question" when
these british-expats messages get posted through onto the usenet.
> P.S. I know that Ashley Watson is a very anglophone name, but has it
> occured to you that maybe that's not her real name, that she is a
> francophone using an anglophone name. Also, I don't think many
> people with that name will be living in that neck of the woods
> unless they are Irish immigrants (like Brian Mulroney) who thought
> they landed in France and had to just live with it.
And yet again your stupidity shows ... Why would a francophone proud of
one's francophony post with an anglo name ? There are lots of English
people living in Quebec and in the city too ... LOTS of them ...
Stuart
zico wrote:
> Stuart,
> Perhaps you can try and answer my question instead of trying to make
> me look stupid. I thought you care about helping people, not making
> fun of them. Anyways, since you're Canadian, your answer/input to my
> above question will be valuable and appreciated.
I don't need to help you look stupid ... you do that all by yourself.
And again your stupidity shows because there is no "above question" when
these british-expats messages get posted through onto the usenet.
> P.S. I know that Ashley Watson is a very anglophone name, but has it
> occured to you that maybe that's not her real name, that she is a
> francophone using an anglophone name. Also, I don't think many
> people with that name will be living in that neck of the woods
> unless they are Irish immigrants (like Brian Mulroney) who thought
> they landed in France and had to just live with it.
And yet again your stupidity shows ... Why would a francophone proud of
one's francophony post with an anglo name ? There are lots of English
people living in Quebec and in the city too ... LOTS of them ...
Stuart
Oct 28th 2002, 2:48 pm
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zico wrote:
> Stuart,
> First of, I want to say that you are the reason why Americans don't
> like stuck-up Canadians like you. Second of all, if I am stupid,
> then you are a total retard because the subject of this post is a
> question "Montreal or Toronto to live and work?"...Damn, I thought
> Canucks are smarter than that. Now, I am having second thoughts
> about going up there.
> P.S.FYI, I don't think there are many anglophones living in Quebec City. You
> are a total idiot and retarded Canuck. I can see why now francophones
> want to separate from the anglophones up there.
> "Vive le Quebec libre"
There you go ... proving your ignorance and assinine stupidity again.
There are LOTS of anglophones living in Quebec ...
I'm glad you're having second thoughts ... I have nothing against
Americans ... just idiots who consistently don't engage their brains
before writing or speaking. There's enough of those here already ...
parliament is full of them.
> Stuart,
> First of, I want to say that you are the reason why Americans don't
> like stuck-up Canadians like you. Second of all, if I am stupid,
> then you are a total retard because the subject of this post is a
> question "Montreal or Toronto to live and work?"...Damn, I thought
> Canucks are smarter than that. Now, I am having second thoughts
> about going up there.
> P.S.FYI, I don't think there are many anglophones living in Quebec City. You
> are a total idiot and retarded Canuck. I can see why now francophones
> want to separate from the anglophones up there.
> "Vive le Quebec libre"
There you go ... proving your ignorance and assinine stupidity again.
There are LOTS of anglophones living in Quebec ...
I'm glad you're having second thoughts ... I have nothing against
Americans ... just idiots who consistently don't engage their brains
before writing or speaking. There's enough of those here already ...
parliament is full of them.
Oct 28th 2002, 4:43 pm
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> Stuart,
Stuart, you are right I am an anglophone, Scottish in fact as Watson
is a Scottish name. There is a Watson tartan and the Watson's are in
fact a sub-clan or sect of the Buchannan clan. Interesting about the
Ashley, I never really thought about it I suppose.
> >
> Zico
As to your question about whether Montreal or Toronto is best for high
tech jobs, I'm afraid I don't know. Also as to whether the majority
of high tech jobs are dominated by anglophones, again I dont know.
Its true that many high tech companies are based in more anglophone
areas, but that doesnt necessarily mean that the people working there
are anglophone. The fact that English is your native tongue gives you
an advantage compared to immigrants where neither English or French is
their native tongue.
For me personally I find Montreal (fatiquant) as I prefer to speak the
prefered language of the people I meet. As a general rule the further
west you go the more English is used. But in places like NDG which is
50/50 anglo-franco it can be quite frustrating deciding which language
to use when you go in the shops. Alot depends on your attitude
though, whether you wish to make the effort or not. At least here in
Quebec City there is only one language that is used.
Good Luck
Ashley Watson
Stuart, you are right I am an anglophone, Scottish in fact as Watson
is a Scottish name. There is a Watson tartan and the Watson's are in
fact a sub-clan or sect of the Buchannan clan. Interesting about the
Ashley, I never really thought about it I suppose.
> >
> Zico
As to your question about whether Montreal or Toronto is best for high
tech jobs, I'm afraid I don't know. Also as to whether the majority
of high tech jobs are dominated by anglophones, again I dont know.
Its true that many high tech companies are based in more anglophone
areas, but that doesnt necessarily mean that the people working there
are anglophone. The fact that English is your native tongue gives you
an advantage compared to immigrants where neither English or French is
their native tongue.
For me personally I find Montreal (fatiquant) as I prefer to speak the
prefered language of the people I meet. As a general rule the further
west you go the more English is used. But in places like NDG which is
50/50 anglo-franco it can be quite frustrating deciding which language
to use when you go in the shops. Alot depends on your attitude
though, whether you wish to make the effort or not. At least here in
Quebec City there is only one language that is used.
Good Luck
Ashley Watson
Oct 28th 2002, 5:19 pm
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Re: Montreal or Toronto to live and work?
If you have a Pocket PC you may want to try using PocketAI
to make your decision. It's shareware and great for deciding
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BM
> Guys,
> I am trying to make up my mind on where to settle when I move
> to to Canada. I am Software Engineer and English is my
> primary language of choice, although I can get by with
> French. I am considering Montreal first because I got the
> CSQ, but for some reason and after I read more about the
> city, I am starting to fall in love with Montreal more than
> Toronto. I have been to Toronto before (mainly Mississauga),
> and it just feels like another U.S. city, but I've never been
> to Montreal. I have a feeling Montreal would be a nicer place
> to live, work and possibly get my PhD hopefully at McGill. I
> don't know the decision could be tough because with Toronto I
> would not feel much homesick since it's pretty much like the
> U.S., but with Montreal I will definitely be exposed to a new
> culture (hopefully a good one) and learn new things. I guess
> my main concern would be work. So, here is a question for you
> all: Which of the two has more IT jobs or opportunities? It
> seems the answer is Toronto...If so, how are the two compared
> to each other or how far lagging behind is Montreal? I heard
> also, that Ottawa is becoming the Canadian Silicon Valley.
> How is it like up there compared to Montreal and Toronto?
> Thank you for your input.
to make your decision. It's shareware and great for deciding
all kind of things using logic. You compare pros and cons, or
weigh the benefit of your options by criteria that you choose,
and see which choice is the best for you.
http://www.3dnetproductions.com/pock-
etai
BM
> Guys,
> I am trying to make up my mind on where to settle when I move
> to to Canada. I am Software Engineer and English is my
> primary language of choice, although I can get by with
> French. I am considering Montreal first because I got the
> CSQ, but for some reason and after I read more about the
> city, I am starting to fall in love with Montreal more than
> Toronto. I have been to Toronto before (mainly Mississauga),
> and it just feels like another U.S. city, but I've never been
> to Montreal. I have a feeling Montreal would be a nicer place
> to live, work and possibly get my PhD hopefully at McGill. I
> don't know the decision could be tough because with Toronto I
> would not feel much homesick since it's pretty much like the
> U.S., but with Montreal I will definitely be exposed to a new
> culture (hopefully a good one) and learn new things. I guess
> my main concern would be work. So, here is a question for you
> all: Which of the two has more IT jobs or opportunities? It
> seems the answer is Toronto...If so, how are the two compared
> to each other or how far lagging behind is Montreal? I heard
> also, that Ottawa is becoming the Canadian Silicon Valley.
> How is it like up there compared to Montreal and Toronto?
> Thank you for your input.
