Montreal language
Oct 3rd 2002, 5:25 pm
#16
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Re: Montreal language
I applied through Quebec and got interviewed at Montreal.
My knowledge of French is intermediate (social only) and my husband
speaks NO French AT ALL!! and we got aproved for immigration with no
big deal in this regard. I believe that if the Quebec Immigration
Officer considers that you are doing an effort to speak French and/or
you are interested in learning it ASAP, and if you get enough points
on the other factors, there should be no rejection on the assessment.
I filled up the CSQ application forms in English (as my written French
is not very good) and at the end of the interview, the officer did say
that the reason for calling us to interview was only to confirm our
level of French (old rules).
Quebec has language programs for landed immigrants where they teach
you French part time or full time. All they are interested is that you
speak French in Quebec, and/or are willing to learn it and speak it
ASAP.
I believe the Federal side also has language training for landed
immigrants....
Ingrid
Sumatra wrote in message news:...
> Originally posted by tadahh:
> > Do you think that is it really possible they could accept a candidate
> > with only a basic French knowledge?
> >
> > -- mits
> >
> > Do you understand what has been told to you here? Do you understand
> > English at all? Do you try to abuse, play dummy or something?
> >
> > N O , N O, N O !!! If you don't master French, the Québec government
> > will not allow you in if you apply with a specified port of entry
> > under its juridiction! There is very little chance they will and even
> > then just don't take the risk!
> >
> > I told you (and others too) apply everywhere else in Canada where it
> > is possible to spend a day or two, then after being stamped, move in
> > the Province of Québec right away. Nobody and nothing can stop you
> > from doing that!
> >
> > Got it?!!!
> That is not true. There are many that were accepted without french. If
> you score enough points, there should not be a problem.
My knowledge of French is intermediate (social only) and my husband
speaks NO French AT ALL!! and we got aproved for immigration with no
big deal in this regard. I believe that if the Quebec Immigration
Officer considers that you are doing an effort to speak French and/or
you are interested in learning it ASAP, and if you get enough points
on the other factors, there should be no rejection on the assessment.
I filled up the CSQ application forms in English (as my written French
is not very good) and at the end of the interview, the officer did say
that the reason for calling us to interview was only to confirm our
level of French (old rules).
Quebec has language programs for landed immigrants where they teach
you French part time or full time. All they are interested is that you
speak French in Quebec, and/or are willing to learn it and speak it
ASAP.
I believe the Federal side also has language training for landed
immigrants....
Ingrid
Sumatra wrote in message news:...
> Originally posted by tadahh:
> > Do you think that is it really possible they could accept a candidate
> > with only a basic French knowledge?
> >
> > -- mits
> >
> > Do you understand what has been told to you here? Do you understand
> > English at all? Do you try to abuse, play dummy or something?
> >
> > N O , N O, N O !!! If you don't master French, the Québec government
> > will not allow you in if you apply with a specified port of entry
> > under its juridiction! There is very little chance they will and even
> > then just don't take the risk!
> >
> > I told you (and others too) apply everywhere else in Canada where it
> > is possible to spend a day or two, then after being stamped, move in
> > the Province of Québec right away. Nobody and nothing can stop you
> > from doing that!
> >
> > Got it?!!!
> That is not true. There are many that were accepted without french. If
> you score enough points, there should not be a problem.
Oct 3rd 2002, 8:09 pm
#17
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Re: Montreal language
tadahh wrote in message news:...
> Do you understand what has been told to you here? Do you understand
> English at all? Do you try to abuse, play dummy or something?
Did you read my post?
Have mama already told you about being polite with other people?
> Do you understand what has been told to you here? Do you understand
> English at all? Do you try to abuse, play dummy or something?
Did you read my post?
Have mama already told you about being polite with other people?
Oct 4th 2002, 3:06 pm
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Re: Montreal language
tadahh wrote in message news:...
> Many doesn't mean all, right? So you suggest her to take the risk
> anyway? I bet her chances are very slim : not more than 45/90
OK, Mr Taddah. Besides rude, impolite and innacurate,
you know more than I myself how many points I score!
> Many doesn't mean all, right? So you suggest her to take the risk
> anyway? I bet her chances are very slim : not more than 45/90
OK, Mr Taddah. Besides rude, impolite and innacurate,
you know more than I myself how many points I score!
Oct 4th 2002, 3:11 pm
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Re: Montreal language
[email protected] (Ingrid) wrote in message news:...
> My knowledge of French is intermediate (social only) and my husband
> speaks NO French AT ALL!! and we got aproved for immigration with no
> big deal in this regard. I believe that if the Quebec Immigration
> Officer considers that you are doing an effort to speak French and/or
> you are interested in learning it ASAP, and if you get enough points
> on the other factors, there should be no rejection on the assessment
Thank you very much, Ingrid.
One of my main interests in landing in Montreal is exactly to
learn French; as my native language in Latin based (as French is) --
I'm able to compreheend a French text without so much effort,
I'm really confident I can reach a reasonable level of proficience
in a short time.
> My knowledge of French is intermediate (social only) and my husband
> speaks NO French AT ALL!! and we got aproved for immigration with no
> big deal in this regard. I believe that if the Quebec Immigration
> Officer considers that you are doing an effort to speak French and/or
> you are interested in learning it ASAP, and if you get enough points
> on the other factors, there should be no rejection on the assessment
Thank you very much, Ingrid.
One of my main interests in landing in Montreal is exactly to
learn French; as my native language in Latin based (as French is) --
I'm able to compreheend a French text without so much effort,
I'm really confident I can reach a reasonable level of proficience
in a short time.
Oct 5th 2002, 11:08 am
#21
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Re: Montreal language
If you score better just go ahead honey! Who cares?!!
Oct 5th 2002, 7:21 pm
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Re: Montreal language
Drew Hamilton wrote in message news:...
> Mitsuru Shimizu wrote:
> >What I didn't understand is that if Montreal is also anglophone,
> >why is that important to speak French in order to be "approved" by
> >the Quebec immigration officers (considering, of course, that I
> >intended to live in Montreal)?
Most immigrants to any country usually have limited knowledge of the
country they are go to live in and also of the particular region, city
they plan to settle in. Therefore it is understandable given its
size, its location (relatively close to the US border) that people
believe that English is widely spoken in Montreal. English is not the
mother toungue of the majority of people in Montreal, but because of a
combination of history, anglophones being the largest minorty group in
Montreal who used to run the city (thanks to corrupt francophone
politiciens)
It is possible to live, work and exist in certain parts of Montreal
without speaking or hearing one word of French. Seeing is sligtly
different as all signs have to be in French.
There always has been and will continue to be immigrants who arrive
who do not have sufficient language skills for their country of
adoption. If there is a large immigrant community in one part of the
city then it is possible in a limited way to stay within this
community. Most people would agree this in not very benificial to
both the immigrant and the greater community.
The services of aid and integration offered to immigrants to Quebec by
both the governement and private agencies are far superior to many
other countries in my view.
> Language is a very political issue in Canada. I don't think I can
> think of another issue that has been as contentious over the past
> 30 years. Language has been at the heart of two Quebec seperation
> referendums, not to mention the talks surrounding the repatriation
> of the constitution, and the Canadian Charter of Rights and
> Freedoms. To this day, Quebec still refuses to sign the
> Constitution, despite the concessions made, and has a policy
> of invoking Section 33 (the "notwithstanding clause", which allows
> provinces to ignore the Charter) of the Charter with every single
> one of its laws.
> The current Quebec government is a seperatist one. They would
> like nothing more than to form Le Pays du Quebec and be rid of
> Canada once and for all, so they could then ban the use of English
> altogether. Unfortunately, this government lies to their
> constituents about what would happen if Quebec seperated. "Oh, of
> course Canada would still let us use their military." "Oh, of
> course Canada would forgive our share of the national debt." "Oh,
> of course Canada wouldn't charge us for the use of their
> services." Even so, they have yet to be able to convince the
> population to vote YES to seperation.
> Basically, the current government's wish is to get rid of any and
> all English within their province, and also to get enough
> Francophones in the province that they can convince them to vote
> yes to seperation. Allowing non-French-speaking immigrants of
> course is orthogonal to this goal.
I am an anglophone immigrant to Quebec and what I am about to write is
going to piss of many anglos who live in Quebec. In my view the
anglophone community in Quebec have already got too many rights,
services and privilages than they ought to have. Yet they still
complain about their lack of English services. Like an Australian
would say they tend to be a bunch of whinging poms.
As far I'm concerned they can piss off to places where English is the
principal language. Its not as if they have lack of choice of where
to go! I'm not for getting rid of the English privillages they
already enjoy in Quebec, that wouldnt serve any purpose, but often
they have no idea how spoilt they are compared to other minority
groups.
Also I find it amazing that certain allophone immigrants also complain
about getting English services (schools, health, etc). If they
complained about accessing services in their own language I could
understand. French is first language for 85% of people in Quebec (65%
in Montreal). I came here expecting and wanting to speak French. If
you do want to speak French, no problem, go to a country or place
where you can speak your language of choice. Of course its difficult,
it was and continues to be for me from time to time.
English dominates the world of business and entertainment and thats
not going to change. The problem is that many anglophones are either
unable or unwilling to appreciate what its like to come from a culture
that dominates a significant proportion of todays world.
Ashley Watson
> Mitsuru Shimizu wrote:
> >What I didn't understand is that if Montreal is also anglophone,
> >why is that important to speak French in order to be "approved" by
> >the Quebec immigration officers (considering, of course, that I
> >intended to live in Montreal)?
Most immigrants to any country usually have limited knowledge of the
country they are go to live in and also of the particular region, city
they plan to settle in. Therefore it is understandable given its
size, its location (relatively close to the US border) that people
believe that English is widely spoken in Montreal. English is not the
mother toungue of the majority of people in Montreal, but because of a
combination of history, anglophones being the largest minorty group in
Montreal who used to run the city (thanks to corrupt francophone
politiciens)
It is possible to live, work and exist in certain parts of Montreal
without speaking or hearing one word of French. Seeing is sligtly
different as all signs have to be in French.
There always has been and will continue to be immigrants who arrive
who do not have sufficient language skills for their country of
adoption. If there is a large immigrant community in one part of the
city then it is possible in a limited way to stay within this
community. Most people would agree this in not very benificial to
both the immigrant and the greater community.
The services of aid and integration offered to immigrants to Quebec by
both the governement and private agencies are far superior to many
other countries in my view.
> Language is a very political issue in Canada. I don't think I can
> think of another issue that has been as contentious over the past
> 30 years. Language has been at the heart of two Quebec seperation
> referendums, not to mention the talks surrounding the repatriation
> of the constitution, and the Canadian Charter of Rights and
> Freedoms. To this day, Quebec still refuses to sign the
> Constitution, despite the concessions made, and has a policy
> of invoking Section 33 (the "notwithstanding clause", which allows
> provinces to ignore the Charter) of the Charter with every single
> one of its laws.
> The current Quebec government is a seperatist one. They would
> like nothing more than to form Le Pays du Quebec and be rid of
> Canada once and for all, so they could then ban the use of English
> altogether. Unfortunately, this government lies to their
> constituents about what would happen if Quebec seperated. "Oh, of
> course Canada would still let us use their military." "Oh, of
> course Canada would forgive our share of the national debt." "Oh,
> of course Canada wouldn't charge us for the use of their
> services." Even so, they have yet to be able to convince the
> population to vote YES to seperation.
> Basically, the current government's wish is to get rid of any and
> all English within their province, and also to get enough
> Francophones in the province that they can convince them to vote
> yes to seperation. Allowing non-French-speaking immigrants of
> course is orthogonal to this goal.
I am an anglophone immigrant to Quebec and what I am about to write is
going to piss of many anglos who live in Quebec. In my view the
anglophone community in Quebec have already got too many rights,
services and privilages than they ought to have. Yet they still
complain about their lack of English services. Like an Australian
would say they tend to be a bunch of whinging poms.
As far I'm concerned they can piss off to places where English is the
principal language. Its not as if they have lack of choice of where
to go! I'm not for getting rid of the English privillages they
already enjoy in Quebec, that wouldnt serve any purpose, but often
they have no idea how spoilt they are compared to other minority
groups.
Also I find it amazing that certain allophone immigrants also complain
about getting English services (schools, health, etc). If they
complained about accessing services in their own language I could
understand. French is first language for 85% of people in Quebec (65%
in Montreal). I came here expecting and wanting to speak French. If
you do want to speak French, no problem, go to a country or place
where you can speak your language of choice. Of course its difficult,
it was and continues to be for me from time to time.
English dominates the world of business and entertainment and thats
not going to change. The problem is that many anglophones are either
unable or unwilling to appreciate what its like to come from a culture
that dominates a significant proportion of todays world.
Ashley Watson
Oct 11th 2002, 9:18 pm
#23
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Re: Montreal language
Having no French knowledge is no problem in any part of Canada.
In article ,
[email protected] (Mitsuru Shimizu) wrote:
>It seems that Montreal official language is French, but is
>it possible to live there speaking English and with some
>basic knowledge of France?
>Merci! :-)
>Mitsuru
In article ,
[email protected] (Mitsuru Shimizu) wrote:
>It seems that Montreal official language is French, but is
>it possible to live there speaking English and with some
>basic knowledge of France?
>Merci! :-)
>Mitsuru
Oct 12th 2002, 12:04 am
#24
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Re: Montreal language
Bollocks! ( not a rude word in Canada BTW, there is even an Ontario
personalised car licenseplate which is just this word! ) - a Canadian expert
now are we? Clearly you have not travelled in parts of Quebec where even in
Quebec city it can be difficult to eat out without some French, and I do not
mean just understanding the menu.
"Rey Cas" wrote in message
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> Having no French knowledge is no problem in any part of Canada.
> In article ,
> [email protected] (Mitsuru Shimizu) wrote:
> >It seems that Montreal official language is French, but is
> >it possible to live there speaking English and with some
> >basic knowledge of France?
> >
> >
> >Merci! :-)
> >
> >Mitsuru
personalised car licenseplate which is just this word! ) - a Canadian expert
now are we? Clearly you have not travelled in parts of Quebec where even in
Quebec city it can be difficult to eat out without some French, and I do not
mean just understanding the menu.
"Rey Cas" wrote in message
news:ReHp9.947$UV3.167475@u-
rsa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Having no French knowledge is no problem in any part of Canada.
> In article ,
> [email protected] (Mitsuru Shimizu) wrote:
> >It seems that Montreal official language is French, but is
> >it possible to live there speaking English and with some
> >basic knowledge of France?
> >
> >
> >Merci! :-)
> >
> >Mitsuru
Oct 12th 2002, 3:52 am
#25
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Re: Montreal language
Fuch you & mange de la marde!
Can you understans this?
Mario Simard
Analyste programmeur
79 101e Ave
Lafontaine,Pq
J7Y - 3T3
tél. 450 565 - 3255
"Migrant" wrote in message
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> Bollocks! ( not a rude word in Canada BTW, there is even an Ontario
> personalised car licenseplate which is just this word! ) - a Canadian
expert
> now are we? Clearly you have not travelled in parts of Quebec where even
in
> Quebec city it can be difficult to eat out without some French, and I do
not
> mean just understanding the menu.
> "Rey Cas" wrote in message
> news:ReHp9.947$UV3.167475-
> @ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca ...
> > Having no French knowledge is no problem in any part of Canada.
> >
> > In article ,
> > [email protected] (Mitsuru Shimizu) wrote:
> > >It seems that Montreal official language is French, but is
> > >it possible to live there speaking English and with some
> > >basic knowledge of France?
> > >
> > >
> > >Merci! :-)
> > >
> > >Mitsuru
Can you understans this?
Mario Simard
Analyste programmeur
79 101e Ave
Lafontaine,Pq
J7Y - 3T3
tél. 450 565 - 3255
"Migrant" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
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> Bollocks! ( not a rude word in Canada BTW, there is even an Ontario
> personalised car licenseplate which is just this word! ) - a Canadian
expert
> now are we? Clearly you have not travelled in parts of Quebec where even
in
> Quebec city it can be difficult to eat out without some French, and I do
not
> mean just understanding the menu.
> "Rey Cas" wrote in message
> news:ReHp9.947$UV3.167475-
> @ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca ...
> > Having no French knowledge is no problem in any part of Canada.
> >
> > In article ,
> > [email protected] (Mitsuru Shimizu) wrote:
> > >It seems that Montreal official language is French, but is
> > >it possible to live there speaking English and with some
> > >basic knowledge of France?
> > >
> > >
> > >Merci! :-)
> > >
> > >Mitsuru
