Mita

Hello,

My boyfriend and I have contemplated me moving to Canada and us
getting married.

We want to know what we need to do in order to get the immigration
paperwork rolling in Canada once we are married there.

I live in the U.S. right now, but would be going there for a visit and
we would get married.

Thanks for your help!

Pickle

http://www.cic.gc.ca/englis-
h/applications/fc.html

Don't say boyfriend, fiance, or marriage at the border. They are likely to
turn you away if you do.
If you have a foreign divorce that is a little more complicated in some
provinces such as Ontario.
If it is Ontario look here:

http://www.cbs.gov.on.ca/mcb-
s/english/52KSPH.htm

That should get you started.

GL,

Pickle




"Mita" wrote in message
news:ffd558ac.0210240734-
[email protected]...
    > Hello,
    > My boyfriend and I have contemplated me moving to Canada and us
    > getting married.
    > We want to know what we need to do in order to get the immigration
    > paperwork rolling in Canada once we are married there.
    > I live in the U.S. right now, but would be going there for a visit and
    > we would get married.
    > Thanks for your help!

The Wizzard

while it may be a good idea not to disclose the intention of marriage and PR
application if you aren't asked it's a risky and inadvisable idea to
directly lie if they do ask you.


"Pickle" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
et...
    > http://www.cic.gc.ca/engl-
    > ish/applications/fc.html
    > Don't say boyfriend, fiance, or marriage at the border. They are likely to
    > turn you away if you do.
    > If you have a foreign divorce that is a little more complicated in some
    > provinces such as Ontario.
    > If it is Ontario look here:
    > http://www.cbs.gov.on.ca/m-
    > cbs/english/52KSPH.htm
    > That should get you started.
    > GL,
    > Pickle

Mita

Thank you!

However, yes we are both divorced. He was divorced in Toronto and I
was divorced in Maryland.

We were also contemplating getting married in Scotland.

What would happen then?

Many thanks!

"Pickle" wrote in message news:...
    > http://www.cic.gc.ca/engl-
    > ish/applications/fc.html
    > Don't say boyfriend, fiance, or marriage at the border. They are likely to
    > turn you away if you do.
    > If you have a foreign divorce that is a little more complicated in some
    > provinces such as Ontario.
    > If it is Ontario look here:
    > http://www.cbs.gov.on.ca/m-
    > cbs/english/52KSPH.htm
    > That should get you started.
    > GL,
    > Pickle
    > "Mita" wrote in message
    > news:ffd558ac.02102407-
    > [email protected]    ...
    > > Hello,
    > >
    > > My boyfriend and I have contemplated me moving to Canada and us
    > > getting married.
    > >
    > > We want to know what we need to do in order to get the immigration
    > > paperwork rolling in Canada once we are married there.
    > >
    > > I live in the U.S. right now, but would be going there for a visit and
    > > we would get married.
    > >
    > > Thanks for your help!

Pickle

Mita,

In inland processing you are expected to stay in Canada for the length of
your processong time.
If you come to the border already married you should tell the truth about
it, but it is up to the officers
discretion whether or not to actually allow you in as a visitor because
technically since you are planning
on applying as an inland spouse you are no longer considered a visitor, and
being a visitor means you plan
on leaving so there is a catch-22 there.....so it would be safer to get
married in Canada and stay....they can
turn a spouse in those circumstances away or require special permits and
extra fees to allow you in..
or they could be in a nice mood and just let you on in...I wouldn't count on
it though....the Scotland thing is a risk.

Good Luck,

Pickle


"Mita" wrote in message
news:ffd558ac.0210250803-
[email protected]...
    > Thank you!
    > However, yes we are both divorced. He was divorced in Toronto and I
    > was divorced in Maryland.
    > We were also contemplating getting married in Scotland.
    > What would happen then?
    > Many thanks!
    > "Pickle" wrote in message
news:...
    > > http://www.cic.gc.ca/en-
    > > glish/applications/fc.html
    > >
    > > Don't say boyfriend, fiance, or marriage at the border. They are likely
to
    > > turn you away if you do.
    > > If you have a foreign divorce that is a little more complicated in some
    > > provinces such as Ontario.
    > > If it is Ontario look here:
    > >
    > > http://www.cbs.gov.on.ca-
    > > /mcbs/english/52KSPH.htm
    > >
    > > That should get you started.
    > >
    > > GL,
    > >
    > > Pickle
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Mita" wrote in message
    > > news:ffd558ac.021024-
    > > [email protected]    ...
    > > > Hello,
    > > >
    > > > My boyfriend and I have contemplated me moving to Canada and us
    > > > getting married.
    > > >
    > > > We want to know what we need to do in order to get the immigration
    > > > paperwork rolling in Canada once we are married there.
    > > >
    > > > I live in the U.S. right now, but would be going there for a visit and
    > > > we would get married.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks for your help!

Mita

Thank you Pickle.

I am still confussed about this. Sorry I am dull!!

We basically want to find the quickiest easiest way to do this. We
have been long distance for two and a half years! We are ready to
start living this and actually being together.

1) So what would be the fastest scenario? The reason I mentioned
Scotland was to see if that would speed up the process? I am a little
concerned about the part where we both have been divorced and we have
to ask Ontario to get married? Wouldn't that imply we are planning on
getting married, therefore making the process much longer? I thought a
spontenous proposal of marriage and doing it right away would work?
Because he asked me this weekend and after being in total bliss, the
only thing I could think was what is the immigration process going to
be! Is this just another long crazy obsticle we will face?
My question is, can I just go there on one of my monthly visits and we
go and get married? I don't know where in Canada you can get easily
fastly married, but if we did, then what would we have to do for me to
remain there with him and then eventually work and us start living our
life together finally?

And if we did do that, get married quickly in Canada, what happens to
the Ontario process of asking them to marry because we have been
divorced? Maybe I am not understanding this well?

2) I was planning on going for a full time course of a month there in
January, how would this affect this? or would it help it? Not sure
this will happen, so this is another toss in the mix.. but should I
contemplate doing this should I?:

• Ask immigration to grant me a one month visa for this course and
then we get married during that period?
• Should I take the course, come back and then go back and we marry
spontaneously.
• Or do we get married before and I take that course while I wait for
the paperwork to come through?!

Many Thanks


"Pickle" wrote in message news:...
    > Mita,
    >
    > In inland processing you are expected to stay in Canada for the length of
    > your processong time.
    > If you come to the border already married you should tell the truth about
    > it, but it is up to the officers
    > discretion whether or not to actually allow you in as a visitor because
    > technically since you are planning
    > on applying as an inland spouse you are no longer considered a visitor, and
    > being a visitor means you plan
    > on leaving so there is a catch-22 there.....so it would be safer to get
    > married in Canada and stay....they can
    > turn a spouse in those circumstances away or require special permits and
    > extra fees to allow you in..
    > or they could be in a nice mood and just let you on in...I wouldn't count on
    > it though....the Scotland thing is a risk.
    >
    > Good Luck,
    >
    > Pickle
    >
    >
    > "Mita" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Thank you!
    > >
    > > However, yes we are both divorced. He was divorced in Toronto and I
    > > was divorced in Maryland.
    > >
    > > We were also contemplating getting married in Scotland.
    > >
    > > What would happen then?
    > >
    > > Many thanks!
    > >
    > > "Pickle" wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/fc.html
    > > >
    > > > Don't say boyfriend, fiance, or marriage at the border. They are likely
    > to
    > > > turn you away if you do.
    > > > If you have a foreign divorce that is a little more complicated in some
    > > > provinces such as Ontario.
    > > > If it is Ontario look here:
    > > >
    > > > http://www.cbs.gov.on.ca/mcbs/english/52KSPH.htm
    > > >
    > > > That should get you started.
    > > >
    > > > GL,
    > > >
    > > > Pickle
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Mita" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Hello,
    > > > >
    > > > > My boyfriend and I have contemplated me moving to Canada and us
    > > > > getting married.
    > > > >
    > > > > We want to know what we need to do in order to get the immigration
    > > > > paperwork rolling in Canada once we are married there.
    > > > >
    > > > > I live in the U.S. right now, but would be going there for a visit and
    > > > > we would get married.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks for your help!

The Wizzard

If you go to Canada as a visitor you can get married and then apply for PR
from within Canada. In Ontario there is some rule about being divorced but i
think all you need is your official divorce papers, alternativly you could
go get married in another province, or indeed anywhere in the world where
the marriage would be legally recognised in Canada.
Once you enter as a visitor you will be allowed to stay usually for 6
months. around a month before tat status expires you will need to apply for
a visitor visa extension to keep yoru status legal while applying.
As a visitor you will be unable to work, however once you are Approved In
Principal (AIP) then you can apply for an open ended work permit.
Current delays at vegreville are pushing the AIP back to like 8-9 months
though so be prepared to not be able to work for a long while.
The quickest way would be to get married then for you to return to the US
( or your native country if you arent american) and then have him sponsor
you while you are outside Canada and this should take say 6-8 months
depending on delays etc and is much faster but you are forced apart.

Drew




"Mita" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Thank you Pickle.
    > I am still confussed about this. Sorry I am dull!!
    > We basically want to find the quickiest easiest way to do this. We
    > have been long distance for two and a half years! We are ready to
    > start living this and actually being together.
    > 1) So what would be the fastest scenario? The reason I mentioned
    > Scotland was to see if that would speed up the process? I am a little
    > concerned about the part where we both have been divorced and we have
    > to ask Ontario to get married? Wouldn't that imply we are planning on
    > getting married, therefore making the process much longer? I thought a
    > spontenous proposal of marriage and doing it right away would work?
    > Because he asked me this weekend and after being in total bliss, the
    > only thing I could think was what is the immigration process going to
    > be! Is this just another long crazy obsticle we will face?
    > My question is, can I just go there on one of my monthly visits and we
    > go and get married? I don't know where in Canada you can get easily
    > fastly married, but if we did, then what would we have to do for me to
    > remain there with him and then eventually work and us start living our
    > life together finally?
    > And if we did do that, get married quickly in Canada, what happens to
    > the Ontario process of asking them to marry because we have been
    > divorced? Maybe I am not understanding this well?
    > 2) I was planning on going for a full time course of a month there in
    > January, how would this affect this? or would it help it? Not sure
    > this will happen, so this is another toss in the mix.. but should I
    > contemplate doing this should I?:
    > . Ask immigration to grant me a one month visa for this course and
    > then we get married during that period?
    > . Should I take the course, come back and then go back and we marry
    > spontaneously.
    > . Or do we get married before and I take that course while I wait for
    > the paperwork to come through?!
    > Many Thanks
    > "Pickle" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Mita,
    > >
    > > In inland processing you are expected to stay in Canada for the length
of
    > > your processong time.
    > > If you come to the border already married you should tell the truth
about
    > > it, but it is up to the officers
    > > discretion whether or not to actually allow you in as a visitor because
    > > technically since you are planning
    > > on applying as an inland spouse you are no longer considered a visitor,
and
    > > being a visitor means you plan
    > > on leaving so there is a catch-22 there.....so it would be safer to get
    > > married in Canada and stay....they can
    > > turn a spouse in those circumstances away or require special permits and
    > > extra fees to allow you in..
    > > or they could be in a nice mood and just let you on in...I wouldn't
count on
    > > it though....the Scotland thing is a risk.
    > >
    > > Good Luck,
    > >
    > > Pickle
    > >
    > >
    > > "Mita" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Thank you!
    > > >
    > > > However, yes we are both divorced. He was divorced in Toronto and I
    > > > was divorced in Maryland.
    > > >
    > > > We were also contemplating getting married in Scotland.
    > > >
    > > > What would happen then?
    > > >
    > > > Many thanks!
    > > >
    > > > "Pickle" wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/fc.html
    > > > >
    > > > > Don't say boyfriend, fiance, or marriage at the border. They are
likely
    > > to
    > > > > turn you away if you do.
    > > > > If you have a foreign divorce that is a little more complicated in
some
    > > > > provinces such as Ontario.
    > > > > If it is Ontario look here:
    > > > >
    > > > > http://www.cbs.gov.on.ca/mcbs/english/52KSPH.htm
    > > > >
    > > > > That should get you started.
    > > > >
    > > > > GL,
    > > > >
    > > > > Pickle
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Mita" wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > Hello,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > My boyfriend and I have contemplated me moving to Canada and us
    > > > > > getting married.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > We want to know what we need to do in order to get the immigration
    > > > > > paperwork rolling in Canada once we are married there.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I live in the U.S. right now, but would be going there for a visit
and
    > > > > > we would get married.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks for your help!

Mita

What is PR?

Enter as a visitor once married? Wouldn't that change once we got
married? I mean in the U.S. If you marry someone, they automatically
get temporary papers for a social security card and etc..

Still confussed as many conflicting responses here. Thanks for your
help, but I guess I am getting more confussed as I hear more.


"The Wizzard" wrote in message news:...
    > If you go to Canada as a visitor you can get married and then apply for PR
    > from within Canada. In Ontario there is some rule about being divorced but i
    > think all you need is your official divorce papers, alternativly you could
    > go get married in another province, or indeed anywhere in the world where
    > the marriage would be legally recognised in Canada.
    > Once you enter as a visitor you will be allowed to stay usually for 6
    > months. around a month before tat status expires you will need to apply for
    > a visitor visa extension to keep yoru status legal while applying.
    > As a visitor you will be unable to work, however once you are Approved In
    > Principal (AIP) then you can apply for an open ended work permit.
    > Current delays at vegreville are pushing the AIP back to like 8-9 months
    > though so be prepared to not be able to work for a long while.
    > The quickest way would be to get married then for you to return to the US
    > ( or your native country if you arent american) and then have him sponsor
    > you while you are outside Canada and this should take say 6-8 months
    > depending on delays etc and is much faster but you are forced apart.
    >
    > Drew

sysclp

You don't have to ask permission to marry if you are divorced, but if you were divorced outside of Canada you have to get a lawyer to examine your divorce papers and write you an opinion letter stating they are legal in Canada and you are free to marry. This is the case in Ontario anyway. It may not be required elsewhere.

Mita

Great thanks!

Do you know of any solicitors in Ontario that you can refer?

The plan is for us to get married in Ontario right away, and then I
will stay there waiting for the immigration process to come through.
Meanwhile I will take a course in the University as I can't work.

Anyone see any problems with this plan? or concerns that may affect
the immigration process? I would really appreciate any pointers,
suggestions or thoughts that any of you might have or have gone
through in this similar situation..

Thanks bunches!


sysclp wrote in message news:...
    > You don't have to ask permission to marry if you are divorced, but if
    > you were divorced outside of Canada you have to get a lawyer to examine
    > your divorce papers and write you an opinion letter stating they are
    > legal in Canada and you are free to marry. This is the case in Ontario
    > anyway. It may not be required elsewhere.

Annie Autry

In article ,
sysclp wrote:

    > You don't have to ask permission to marry if you are divorced, but if
    > you were divorced outside of Canada you have to get a lawyer to examine
    > your divorce papers and write you an opinion letter stating they are
    > legal in Canada and you are free to marry.

What if you were divorced, remarried, and widowed?

Annie

sysclp

I don't know for sure what they would do in that case, but I suspect they would still require the opinion letter for the divorce as they don't list any exceptions to that rule. I was widowed (no divorce) and they accepted my first husband's death certificate from Alabama without any problems.

Cindy

sysclp

Sorry, I haven't ever had to use a lawyer here so I don't have any suggestion other than look in the yellow pages. This should be something any lawyer should be able to do pretty quickly.

As for coming up to get married, like someone else said DO NOT mention marriage, boyfriend, fiances, or anything similar when you come in the country. Say you are coming for a vaction, to visit friends, or something similar. It is technically illegal to enter the country with the intent to marry and stay and they will turn you back at the border if they know that is what you intend. Wait a decent period before you marry so it doesn't look like you planned it that way and decided after you arrived.
Cindy

Mita

Another quick question you guys.

Say I am married, waiting for my PR papers to come through, but I have
an emergency that requires me to come back to the U.S.

Would I be allowed in after I have applied for PR from within? Or do I
have to wait no matter what happens and only then I can come to the
U.S.?

Just curious ....

Pickle

It is up to the discretion of the immigration people at the point of entry
you choose.
You might come across an understanding one that day..or not...
either way it is a risk so only take it if it is an extreme emergency.

TC,

Pickle

"Mita" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Another quick question you guys.
    > Say I am married, waiting for my PR papers to come through, but I have
    > an emergency that requires me to come back to the U.S.
    > Would I be allowed in after I have applied for PR from within? Or do I
    > have to wait no matter what happens and only then I can come to the
    > U.S.?
    > Just curious ....