Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
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Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
Hi all,
I have recently asked my company for a transfer to our canadian office. I'd like to move to Canada, and the simplest path for me at this point would be to move there with my company, get a inter-company work visa for a couple of years while I apply for my PR.
After the interview with the canadian office HR, I got an offer, but it is a permanent offer though. I have asked them to send me first an offer for a limited length of time, let's say 3 years, in order to comply with the Inter-company transfer visa's requirements. But they say they are not allowed to do that, and that I will have to go with the permanent.
Under this circumstances, my doubts are: if I show up at the immigration office with a permanent job offer instead of temporary, what are my chances that I don't get an inter-company transfer visa issued? If I get it issued, for how long? Is there any way around? Explaining the situation to my employers doesn't seem to work, so it seems that I will have to figure it all out myself if I want to get the job.
If anyone has been in a similar situation and could throw some light at this, that would be highly appreciated.
Best regards,
Alex
I have recently asked my company for a transfer to our canadian office. I'd like to move to Canada, and the simplest path for me at this point would be to move there with my company, get a inter-company work visa for a couple of years while I apply for my PR.
After the interview with the canadian office HR, I got an offer, but it is a permanent offer though. I have asked them to send me first an offer for a limited length of time, let's say 3 years, in order to comply with the Inter-company transfer visa's requirements. But they say they are not allowed to do that, and that I will have to go with the permanent.
Under this circumstances, my doubts are: if I show up at the immigration office with a permanent job offer instead of temporary, what are my chances that I don't get an inter-company transfer visa issued? If I get it issued, for how long? Is there any way around? Explaining the situation to my employers doesn't seem to work, so it seems that I will have to figure it all out myself if I want to get the job.
If anyone has been in a similar situation and could throw some light at this, that would be highly appreciated.
Best regards,
Alex
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
Your job offer letter for a TWP *must* have an end date on it, it cannot be permanent, or the TWP won't be issued.
Seems like your company needs to understand that you cannot use a permanent job offer to get a Temporary Work Permit, and that you need the TWP to apply for PR once there. You need to explain to them that to get a TWP, one of the conditions is that you need to satisfy an immigration officer that you will leave Canada when your TWP expires - which will be rather difficult to do with a permanent job offer!
Maybe you could offer to sign something in writing with them to agree that as soon as you have your TWP they'll then give you a permanent job offer (which you'll need to apply for PR anyway), and you'll get PR asap?
If they won't do it, then your only option is to ask them to apply for an AEO for you, so that you can get PR before going over, but that'll be an 18 month or so wait and I'm not sure if they'll wait that long?
It's actually to their advantage to have you on a TWP (as you can't work for anybody else, so you're tied to them), so maybe point that out as well?
Good luck.
Seems like your company needs to understand that you cannot use a permanent job offer to get a Temporary Work Permit, and that you need the TWP to apply for PR once there. You need to explain to them that to get a TWP, one of the conditions is that you need to satisfy an immigration officer that you will leave Canada when your TWP expires - which will be rather difficult to do with a permanent job offer!
Maybe you could offer to sign something in writing with them to agree that as soon as you have your TWP they'll then give you a permanent job offer (which you'll need to apply for PR anyway), and you'll get PR asap?
If they won't do it, then your only option is to ask them to apply for an AEO for you, so that you can get PR before going over, but that'll be an 18 month or so wait and I'm not sure if they'll wait that long?
It's actually to their advantage to have you on a TWP (as you can't work for anybody else, so you're tied to them), so maybe point that out as well?
Good luck.
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
Thanks for the reply, Christmasoompa!
I am considering different options here. I think I would try to get from them a Job Offer Letter for a 3 years temporary job, just for immigration purposes, and agree with them to actually sign the permanent job contact. I would think that this would not cause any legal problem to my employer in any case, am I right?
Also, I have a 1 year Working Holiday Visa, in case that they don't accept this option, but I am not sure how this may help.
I am considering different options here. I think I would try to get from them a Job Offer Letter for a 3 years temporary job, just for immigration purposes, and agree with them to actually sign the permanent job contact. I would think that this would not cause any legal problem to my employer in any case, am I right?
Also, I have a 1 year Working Holiday Visa, in case that they don't accept this option, but I am not sure how this may help.
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
I think I will offer my employer what I mentioned in my previous post:
-Signing a permanent job contrat, but
-Getting from them a 3 years temporary job offer letter, just for immigration purposes, in order to get my visa issued.
So, given this scenario, does anybody foresee any issues with this? Does immigration double-check at all the coherence between job offer letters and actual job contract in the case of Inter-company transferees?
Thanks
-Signing a permanent job contrat, but
-Getting from them a 3 years temporary job offer letter, just for immigration purposes, in order to get my visa issued.
So, given this scenario, does anybody foresee any issues with this? Does immigration double-check at all the coherence between job offer letters and actual job contract in the case of Inter-company transferees?
Thanks
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
I think I will offer my employer what I mentioned in my previous post:
-Signing a permanent job contrat, but
-Getting from them a 3 years temporary job offer letter, just for immigration purposes, in order to get my visa issued.
So, given this scenario, does anybody foresee any issues with this? Does immigration double-check at all the coherence between job offer letters and actual job contract in the case of Inter-company transferees?
Thanks
-Signing a permanent job contrat, but
-Getting from them a 3 years temporary job offer letter, just for immigration purposes, in order to get my visa issued.
So, given this scenario, does anybody foresee any issues with this? Does immigration double-check at all the coherence between job offer letters and actual job contract in the case of Inter-company transferees?
Thanks
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...w/fw01-eng.pdf
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
Here is my personal experience though not an Inter-company.
1. I got a permanent job offer from a Canadian employer.
2. Contacted provincial immigration office for PNP grant (In my case, NSNP).
3. The employer filled in the PNP employer form.
4. Submitted my PNP application.
5. The NSNP Granted me the nomination and an URGENT letter.
6. Used the URGENT letter to apply for TWP at the POE.
In this route, they don't seem to care if it is a temporary job or a permanent job.
1. I got a permanent job offer from a Canadian employer.
2. Contacted provincial immigration office for PNP grant (In my case, NSNP).
3. The employer filled in the PNP employer form.
4. Submitted my PNP application.
5. The NSNP Granted me the nomination and an URGENT letter.
6. Used the URGENT letter to apply for TWP at the POE.
In this route, they don't seem to care if it is a temporary job or a permanent job.
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
We have gone through the Inter-Company transfer.
You will not be issued a TWP if you take the permanent job letter.
We did go to the border for the WP with permenant offer and was told by the Immigration that the job has to be fixed period not permenant.
We asked the company for the letter and they employed a law firm which costed them a lot but they pretty much did write a letter telling its a limited time engagement.
We got the permits and working.
You will not be issued a TWP if you take the permanent job letter.
We did go to the border for the WP with permenant offer and was told by the Immigration that the job has to be fixed period not permenant.
We asked the company for the letter and they employed a law firm which costed them a lot but they pretty much did write a letter telling its a limited time engagement.
We got the permits and working.
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Immigration will be checking that you are eligible as an Intra Co Transferee as per section 5.31 of this manual on page 59
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...w/fw01-eng.pdf
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...w/fw01-eng.pdf
If you are lucky they will it took a phone call from my immigration lawyer to CBSA to get them to look in their own 'kin manual when I arrived!
3 bloody hours because the monkeys had no background knowledge of their job!
(I wouldn't have minded but the correct page and paragraph of the manual was also listed in the covering letter that accompanied the documents that they received via fax!)
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
If you are lucky they will it took a phone call from my immigration lawyer to CBSA to get them to look in their own 'kin manual when I arrived!
3 bloody hours because the monkeys had no background knowledge of their job!
(I wouldn't have minded but the correct page and paragraph of the manual was also listed in the covering letter that accompanied the documents that they received via fax!)
3 bloody hours because the monkeys had no background knowledge of their job!
(I wouldn't have minded but the correct page and paragraph of the manual was also listed in the covering letter that accompanied the documents that they received via fax!)
I bet it was Vancouver CBSA that you had problems with.
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how did you guess
To be fair they did figure it out eventually! I think i got the new girl on the job!
To be fair they did figure it out eventually! I think i got the new girl on the job!
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
Most of the complaints about CBSA not knowing their jobs stem from Vancouver & Toronto airports or the smaller land border crossings all across Canada. We all started off somewhere but I know frustrating if on the end of the learning curve and it is taking some time.
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Your job offer letter for a TWP *must* have an end date on it, it cannot be permanent, or the TWP won't be issued.
Seems like your company needs to understand that you cannot use a permanent job offer to get a Temporary Work Permit, and that you need the TWP to apply for PR once there. You need to explain to them that to get a TWP, one of the conditions is that you need to satisfy an immigration officer that you will leave Canada when your TWP expires - which will be rather difficult to do with a permanent job offer!
Maybe you could offer to sign something in writing with them to agree that as soon as you have your TWP they'll then give you a permanent job offer (which you'll need to apply for PR anyway), and you'll get PR asap?
If they won't do it, then your only option is to ask them to apply for an AEO for you, so that you can get PR before going over, but that'll be an 18 month or so wait and I'm not sure if they'll wait that long?
It's actually to their advantage to have you on a TWP (as you can't work for anybody else, so you're tied to them), so maybe point that out as well?
Good luck.
Seems like your company needs to understand that you cannot use a permanent job offer to get a Temporary Work Permit, and that you need the TWP to apply for PR once there. You need to explain to them that to get a TWP, one of the conditions is that you need to satisfy an immigration officer that you will leave Canada when your TWP expires - which will be rather difficult to do with a permanent job offer!
Maybe you could offer to sign something in writing with them to agree that as soon as you have your TWP they'll then give you a permanent job offer (which you'll need to apply for PR anyway), and you'll get PR asap?
If they won't do it, then your only option is to ask them to apply for an AEO for you, so that you can get PR before going over, but that'll be an 18 month or so wait and I'm not sure if they'll wait that long?
It's actually to their advantage to have you on a TWP (as you can't work for anybody else, so you're tied to them), so maybe point that out as well?
Good luck.
Now I don't know which is correct
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Re: Inter-company visa & permanent job offer issue
Sorry to hijack, but I asked this same question here, and also to my new employer, and they said that because it's for long-term temporary employment, the job offer doesn't need to specify an end date. The LMO they have for me has been issued for 3 years.
Now I don't know which is correct
Now I don't know which is correct
All TWPs that are issued are Temporary. Its the process they are gained under that lead to PR status getting granted if applicable. ICT doesnt guarantee PR status and is more restrictive than other ways.
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The LMO has an end date so the TWP will only be issued for 3 years.
All TWPs that are issued are Temporary. Its the process they are gained under that lead to PR status getting granted if applicable. ICT doesnt guarantee PR status and is more restrictive than other ways.
All TWPs that are issued are Temporary. Its the process they are gained under that lead to PR status getting granted if applicable. ICT doesnt guarantee PR status and is more restrictive than other ways.
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