soccer203

hypothetically what if you still worked after visa expired
simply a hypothetical question here

What would happen to/stop someone from continuing to use the sin number they were given on their IEC program after it has expired past the one year mark?

I am reading online about people who forget to renew their card for years and still get paid and never have an issue woth that .

Also I read about people who use sin to get paid without any work permit .

Does sin actually ever expire or is it only expiring for legal use?

neilg14

A friend of ours overstayed his welcome by about 16 mths, got caught in November "12" but they let him stay to claim his tax back and left in April "13". I took him to the airport and we were early so told us to wait 2 hrs.
Went away then came back and left him with immigration.
He later told us they handcuffed him and 3 officers escorted him onto the plane.
Why ??

soccer203

Are you trying to tell me something ?
I am not sure

neilg14

Sorry, no, just wondering why they would handcuff him after he had 5 mths to do a runner.
Also forgot to say he also carried on working in those mths.

soccer203

Oh ya that sucks for him ... maybe there was a warrant for him. But I get you

christmasoompa

If you carried on working, you'd be working illegally and breaching the IRPA. If caught you'd be subject to deportation and an Exclusion Order.

But the penalties are most severe for the employer, as for them the penalty would be a potential fine of up to $50,000, and jail for 2 years. If it's proved that there was misrepresentation, then that goes up to $100,000 and 5 years.

Your SIN won't expire, but that has absolutely nothing to do with your status as a worker, and regardless of the SIN you can't keep working.

HTH.

kswoosh

Think of it like this... if you had a monthly train pass that expired on 30th June 2014. If you rode the train on the 1st of July, would the ticket be valid? Of course it wouldn't. Would you get to ride for free? Potentially, if there were no guards. But you run a risk, and if you get caught, you have to pay a fine which would far exceed any fare you would have paid.

Don't do it, bud. It's just not worth it. If you get caught, you will basically screw your chances of ever gaining residency into another country. That's regret I'm not sure I could deal with.

SchnookoLoly

kswoosh has made a great analogy. That's pretty much exactly how it goes.

I believe SINs given to those on IEC start with a 9, meaning they are temporary SINs. CRA could look up the history on that SIN card if they wanted to see whether you have been working past a certain day. A lot of people often ask "but how will they know I stayed past the expiry of my IEC permit?!" and the simple answer is "because they can see from your SIN that you are still being paid."

christmasoompa

+1. Although the OP seems to have a certain disregard for immigration laws, having done the same thing in the US previously. Given how stressful he seemed to find that situation, I'd have though he'd want to avoid the same thing happening again!

SchnookoLoly

Just read back through all OP's previous threads... my head is spinning, but...

OP - you have seen from your previous threads how complicated overstaying in the US can make things... I suggest you don't put yourself in hot water in Canada as well.

soccer203

Cra does not share info with anyone especially not for immigration purposes . It is on their website under privacy . And as for my immigration issues in usa they obviously don't have anything to do with canada as i was never told by Canadian authorities anything about it . Most of my posts from past were also hypothetical questions . i havent broken any laws in canada or usa . In usa you are not considered illegal if you drop out of school until you are taken in front of a immigration judge and he makes that decision . As. For Canada , I was just simply asking about validity of a sin number pretty much . I am pretty sure as long as you want to work your sin will be good to deposit money towards paying taxes and EI . That was the whole point . I have many friends who had lots of jobs and they told me they never had to present the work permit and sin number to employers . Also if someone who is In situation in which he is found to be illegally working he will still be able to sponsored ny a spouse and pardoned for his past activities

Siouxie

I think your friends are either telling you porkies or else they are working under the table.

You are required to give your employers your SI number - how else would they be able to pay your taxes and EI contributions?

As stated above, temporary workers (including IEC's) get a SI number starting with a '9' which has a validity of the same length as the original work permit. After that date it expires - unless you apply to extend it with a valid new work permit - and you would be working illegally and subject to deportation under the IRPA regulations.

Zoe Bell

Interesting, I couldn't find where they say that in their privacy policy

Privacy notice

maybe you could point me in the right direction?

christmasoompa

Really? In which case, maybe you could stop with your 'hypothetical' questions, as they seem to be very slanted towards trying to get away with things and to fool the authorities. If you can't be bothered to abide by immigration laws like the rest of us, then perhaps BE isn't the place for you.

Siouxie

Really? Yet you admit to overstaying, quitting school being in the US illegally.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/marri...se-vwp-704719/
http://britishexpats.com/forum/immig...canada-746708/
http://britishexpats.com/forum/citiz...claims-723478/
http://britishexpats.com/forum/marri...7/#post9118987
http://britishexpats.com/forum/us-im.../#post10060801

Doesn't seem very 'hypothetical' to me!