John Doe

Hello,

I have some queries regarding the H & C PR visa.

First, the facts:

I am a US (and also a former Communist country) citizen. My wife is a
former Communist country citizen. We have been married since late
1997 (together since early 1996). Alas, she overstayed her US tourist
visa and was ordered deported in late 1996. Anyway, after our
marriage we filed for her green card, but, in 1999, were denied due to
her immigration history. We stayed in the US for a couple of more
years, but by late 2001 I (but oddly enough not her) was sick of the
US and we left.

Anyway, we spent 2002 looking for a good place to live (Canada made
the short list, but was not the 1st choice due to the weather, we used
to live in Syracuse, NY, we know how the "lake effect snow" feels!)

Well, to make a long story short, we have a couple of options going,
we: (1) are petitioning for her to return to America (although America
is not too immigrant-friendly at the moment); (2) will be applying to
a country in Oceania (hint, hint, there are only two viable options
down there, huh?); and (3) are waiting for the former Communist
country's entry into the EU.

Still, at the moment, we have no viable place to permanently live
(together - NO as to America; YES as to former Communist country, but
I cannot practice my profession there).

So, I started looking at Canada, (after remembering an article about
how similarly situated couples who honeymooned in Niagara Falls, CA
and then returned to the US side, were separated due to the alien's
immigration problems. In such cases, Canada would let them stay
together in Canada).

I looked into it recently, and found the H & C class (I do not have
the work experience nor income to qualify as a skilled migrant, but I
do have a 7-year postgraduate degree and have studied overseas as
well). I noticed one does not have to be a Canadian to apply and can
be exempted from any other qualifying criteria, perfect!

Anyway, our hardships include separation and financial loss (which I
know are not enough), lack of career prospects in the former Communist
country (I am a lawyer, cannot practise in a civil-law jurisdiction;
and any job I would have there means much, much less money than say
America or Canada), health problems (I have bronchitis, might be
chronic) which cannot be adequately cared for in the former Communist
country, lack of language and cultural knowledge of the former
Communist country (I left when I was under 3), etc.

Now, as to the questions:

1. Think that is enough hardships? I have filed similar paperwork
with the INS, but have not yet received a reply.

2. I know one can apply both inland and overseas, but I am skeptical
that a visa officer will give the case as much of a positive look as
opposed to a CIC employee in Canada; am I paranoid (anything that has
to do with Gov'ts and immigration triggers that reflex in me, since I
have had to deal with their shit for years now)?

3. I am also considering applying for refugee status (some 250
Americans per year do it in Canada alone, most recently surged by
Muslims).

I figure I can cite the "War on Terror" and America's own predictions
of chaos, mass-death, endless crisis, etc. So far Canada's safer than
America, so I think I could put in a fairly good claim (at least to
pass the initial screening).

Also, I will also tell them the underlying immigration problem and if
they are sympathetic to that I might get approved on that basis
(although not on the "official paperwork").

Anyway, we had to sell our house, car, belongings when we left America
(because it probably was for good), so what makes us different than
homeless refugees? I feel stateless anyway (despite my
dual-citizenships - the day after I get another one, whether it be CA,
OZ, NZ, EU, whatever, I will go to the nearest US Embassy and
renounce, cannot wait, I will give them the form they require and my
passport with spit on it). I have also lived in the former Communist
country, but I could not acclimate due to the reasons cited above; so
I have tried to make the best of it, but, frankly, it is desperation
time (or pretty close to it)!

So, although prima facie an American is unlikely to get classified as
a refugee (I have already gotten political asylum once from the US re:
my former Communist country), I think I have a better shot than
average, due to the underlying factors coupled with America's current
state of insanity. I doubt I would get it anyway, so I am really
banking on the H & C (or, alternatively, perhaps I will just get
admitted as a solicitor during the process and then apply as a skilled
migrant?).

I just have to get this problem out of the way once and for all since
it is consuming me, to say the least.

Any advice or opinions would be appreciated!

pkjmet

[email protected] (John Doe) wrote in message news:...
    > Hello,
    >
    > I have some queries regarding the H & C PR visa.
    >
    > First, the facts:
    >
    > I am a US (and also a former Communist country) citizen. My wife is a
    > former Communist country citizen. We have been married since late
    > 1997 (together since early 1996). Alas, she overstayed her US tourist
    > visa and was ordered deported in late 1996. Anyway, after our
    > marriage we filed for her green card, but, in 1999, were denied due to
    > her immigration history. We stayed in the US for a couple of more
    > years, but by late 2001 I (but oddly enough not her) was sick of the
    > US and we left.
    >
    > Anyway, we spent 2002 looking for a good place to live (Canada made
    > the short list, but was not the 1st choice due to the weather, we used
    > to live in Syracuse, NY, we know how the "lake effect snow" feels!)
    >
    > Well, to make a long story short, we have a couple of options going,
    > we: (1) are petitioning for her to return to America (although America
    > is not too immigrant-friendly at the moment); (2) will be applying to
    > a country in Oceania (hint, hint, there are only two viable options
    > down there, huh?); and (3) are waiting for the former Communist
    > country's entry into the EU.
    >
    > Still, at the moment, we have no viable place to permanently live
    > (together - NO as to America; YES as to former Communist country, but
    > I cannot practice my profession there).
    >
    > So, I started looking at Canada, (after remembering an article about
    > how similarly situated couples who honeymooned in Niagara Falls, CA
    > and then returned to the US side, were separated due to the alien's
    > immigration problems. In such cases, Canada would let them stay
    > together in Canada).
    >
    > I looked into it recently, and found the H & C class (I do not have
    > the work experience nor income to qualify as a skilled migrant, but I
    > do have a 7-year postgraduate degree and have studied overseas as
    > well). I noticed one does not have to be a Canadian to apply and can
    > be exempted from any other qualifying criteria, perfect!
    >
    > Anyway, our hardships include separation and financial loss (which I
    > know are not enough), lack of career prospects in the former Communist
    > country (I am a lawyer, cannot practise in a civil-law jurisdiction;
    > and any job I would have there means much, much less money than say
    > America or Canada), health problems (I have bronchitis, might be
    > chronic) which cannot be adequately cared for in the former Communist
    > country, lack of language and cultural knowledge of the former
    > Communist country (I left when I was under 3), etc.
    >
    > Now, as to the questions:
    >
    > 1. Think that is enough hardships? I have filed similar paperwork
    > with the INS, but have not yet received a reply.
    >
    > 2. I know one can apply both inland and overseas, but I am skeptical
    > that a visa officer will give the case as much of a positive look as
    > opposed to a CIC employee in Canada; am I paranoid (anything that has
    > to do with Gov'ts and immigration triggers that reflex in me, since I
    > have had to deal with their shit for years now)?
    >
    > 3. I am also considering applying for refugee status (some 250
    > Americans per year do it in Canada alone, most recently surged by
    > Muslims).
    >
    > I figure I can cite the "War on Terror" and America's own predictions
    > of chaos, mass-death, endless crisis, etc. So far Canada's safer than
    > America, so I think I could put in a fairly good claim (at least to
    > pass the initial screening).
    >
    > Also, I will also tell them the underlying immigration problem and if
    > they are sympathetic to that I might get approved on that basis
    > (although not on the "official paperwork").
    >
    > Anyway, we had to sell our house, car, belongings when we left America
    > (because it probably was for good), so what makes us different than
    > homeless refugees? I feel stateless anyway (despite my
    > dual-citizenships - the day after I get another one, whether it be CA,
    > OZ, NZ, EU, whatever, I will go to the nearest US Embassy and
    > renounce, cannot wait, I will give them the form they require and my
    > passport with spit on it). I have also lived in the former Communist
    > country, but I could not acclimate due to the reasons cited above; so
    > I have tried to make the best of it, but, frankly, it is desperation
    > time (or pretty close to it)!
    >
    > So, although prima facie an American is unlikely to get classified as
    > a refugee (I have already gotten political asylum once from the US re:
    > my former Communist country), I think I have a better shot than
    > average, due to the underlying factors coupled with America's current
    > state of insanity. I doubt I would get it anyway, so I am really
    > banking on the H & C (or, alternatively, perhaps I will just get
    > admitted as a solicitor during the process and then apply as a skilled
    > migrant?).
    >
    > I just have to get this problem out of the way once and for all since
    > it is consuming me, to say the least.
    >
    > Any advice or opinions would be appreciated!

I do not think you have a good case for HandC or for Refugee status.
There is no Cdn connection and what is there in your back ground that
... would make a reasonable person believe that an exception should be
made...... In any event a HandC application outside of Caada has to
be preceded by an application , such as a Skilled Worker and you can
cite HanC factors, such as they are, which would make a Visa officer
set aside the selectrion criteria due to the existence of compelling
HandC grounds or to exercise discretion on the basis that the
selection criteria do not reflect your ability to establish in Canada.
Pure HandC cases outside of Canada are rare and have to be carefully
prepared and presented. IN the past ten years I have had only two such
cases which I filed and both were successful. Both had strong Cdn
connections.

Jim metcalfe

Chris

You have used the words "former Communist country" NINE times, but not once
the name of your native country. It's either one of the former Soviet Union
Republics (including the Baltic States), Bulgaria, Romania or Yugoslavia,
these are the former Communist countries not yet in EU. What's wrong naming
it directly? There is nothing wrong with it, nobody is going to accuse you
or punish you that you were born behind the Iron Curtain. Cold war is over,
why are you so afraid to name your country of birth? I am myself a Romanian
native, now Canadian citizen. I have no reason to hide my past, especially
avoiding naming my native country nine consecutive times in a public forum.
You were so blessed NOT to live behind the Iron Curtain, you have lived in
such a democratic, developed and friendly country, U.S. of A, and all you
can come up is to renounce the US citizenship and spit on your US passport?
I don't know, you said you are a lawyer but you brain belongs to a 10-year
old spoiled kid. You wanna seek refugee in Canada? Man, try to make some
order in your life, some clean-up, because it's just a total mess.
Good luck.
Chris


"John Doe" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello,
    > I have some queries regarding the H & C PR visa.
    > First, the facts:
    > I am a US (and also a former Communist country) citizen. My wife is a
    > former Communist country citizen. We have been married since late
    > 1997 (together since early 1996). Alas, she overstayed her US tourist
    > visa and was ordered deported in late 1996. Anyway, after our
    > marriage we filed for her green card, but, in 1999, were denied due to
    > her immigration history. We stayed in the US for a couple of more
    > years, but by late 2001 I (but oddly enough not her) was sick of the
    > US and we left.
    > Anyway, we spent 2002 looking for a good place to live (Canada made
    > the short list, but was not the 1st choice due to the weather, we used
    > to live in Syracuse, NY, we know how the "lake effect snow" feels!)
    > Well, to make a long story short, we have a couple of options going,
    > we: (1) are petitioning for her to return to America (although America
    > is not too immigrant-friendly at the moment); (2) will be applying to
    > a country in Oceania (hint, hint, there are only two viable options
    > down there, huh?); and (3) are waiting for the former Communist
    > country's entry into the EU.
    > Still, at the moment, we have no viable place to permanently live
    > (together - NO as to America; YES as to former Communist country, but
    > I cannot practice my profession there).
    > So, I started looking at Canada, (after remembering an article about
    > how similarly situated couples who honeymooned in Niagara Falls, CA
    > and then returned to the US side, were separated due to the alien's
    > immigration problems. In such cases, Canada would let them stay
    > together in Canada).
    > I looked into it recently, and found the H & C class (I do not have
    > the work experience nor income to qualify as a skilled migrant, but I
    > do have a 7-year postgraduate degree and have studied overseas as
    > well). I noticed one does not have to be a Canadian to apply and can
    > be exempted from any other qualifying criteria, perfect!
    > Anyway, our hardships include separation and financial loss (which I
    > know are not enough), lack of career prospects in the former Communist
    > country (I am a lawyer, cannot practise in a civil-law jurisdiction;
    > and any job I would have there means much, much less money than say
    > America or Canada), health problems (I have bronchitis, might be
    > chronic) which cannot be adequately cared for in the former Communist
    > country, lack of language and cultural knowledge of the former
    > Communist country (I left when I was under 3), etc.
    > Now, as to the questions:
    > 1. Think that is enough hardships? I have filed similar paperwork
    > with the INS, but have not yet received a reply.
    > 2. I know one can apply both inland and overseas, but I am skeptical
    > that a visa officer will give the case as much of a positive look as
    > opposed to a CIC employee in Canada; am I paranoid (anything that has
    > to do with Gov'ts and immigration triggers that reflex in me, since I
    > have had to deal with their shit for years now)?
    > 3. I am also considering applying for refugee status (some 250
    > Americans per year do it in Canada alone, most recently surged by
    > Muslims).
    > I figure I can cite the "War on Terror" and America's own predictions
    > of chaos, mass-death, endless crisis, etc. So far Canada's safer than
    > America, so I think I could put in a fairly good claim (at least to
    > pass the initial screening).
    > Also, I will also tell them the underlying immigration problem and if
    > they are sympathetic to that I might get approved on that basis
    > (although not on the "official paperwork").
    > Anyway, we had to sell our house, car, belongings when we left America
    > (because it probably was for good), so what makes us different than
    > homeless refugees? I feel stateless anyway (despite my
    > dual-citizenships - the day after I get another one, whether it be CA,
    > OZ, NZ, EU, whatever, I will go to the nearest US Embassy and
    > renounce, cannot wait, I will give them the form they require and my
    > passport with spit on it). I have also lived in the former Communist
    > country, but I could not acclimate due to the reasons cited above; so
    > I have tried to make the best of it, but, frankly, it is desperation
    > time (or pretty close to it)!
    > So, although prima facie an American is unlikely to get classified as
    > a refugee (I have already gotten political asylum once from the US re:
    > my former Communist country), I think I have a better shot than
    > average, due to the underlying factors coupled with America's current
    > state of insanity. I doubt I would get it anyway, so I am really
    > banking on the H & C (or, alternatively, perhaps I will just get
    > admitted as a solicitor during the process and then apply as a skilled
    > migrant?).
    > I just have to get this problem out of the way once and for all since
    > it is consuming me, to say the least.
    > Any advice or opinions would be appreciated!

John_Doe

Hi Chris,

First of all, I was not identifying my former country because I, as an American, can get into Canada anytime I want without a visa; but my wife, a citizen ONLY of that former Communist country cannot - she has to apply for a visa. So, if we were to try to migrate to Canada she would have to come on a tourist visa (which you, or the relative that sponsored you, if applicable, would have probably done yourself to come to Canada from Rumania). Thus, she would have to lie to the Canadien authorities (unfortunately, but citizens from the poorer countries of the world do not make the inequitable rules that keep them prisoners in those countries so the richer countries can pick and choose them like animals in the zoo). Thus, if I tipped off the country, some nationalistic Canadien reading these posts might tipoff the Canadien embassy that serves my wife's country and that would be a negative development for us. So, if I keep the list long, nonspecific (as it could include the countries not yet in but that will be in 2004, right?) and even misleading (it might just be Asia, Africa, or Latin America just as well), then that is not an issue (after all, even if somebody sends a message to all the Canadien Embassies in the world, it will probably be ignored as time passes anyway, since we plan on doing this should our re-petition to the US get denied which is a year up the road, so I am just at the hypothetical point, for now).

As to the US, I reiterate, in case I did not make myself clear, but I had nothing against the country until they dicated my family affairs; since then, I am afraid my patriotism is a little empty, sorry if that is unreasonable, but remember, my family left the Communists due to political oppression (so the parallel is that I was separated from my extended family, other than my mother, due to politics and now America separates me from my immediate family due to a political issue like immigration). Alas, I am unmoved by America's "freedoms...and justice for all" knowing my wife faces a 10-year bar from living with me simply for overstaying her visa (if you only knew, there are 10 million or so illegal immigrants in America, obviously nobody cares about their behavior or something would be done about it - instead, my wife tried to "legalize" [as if a human being could be an "illegal" alien] herself, when she could have just lived for the next 30 years out of status just fine). After all, what good is my citizenship if my country cares so little for me as to allow me a basic human right (see e.g., the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Articles 12 and 16, to which America is a signatory and ratifier)? My former Communist country never did that to me!

As to personal judgments as to my sanity, try not to make them until your life has been so adversly affected by immigration laws. I have no viable country to live in, do you know what that is like? Imagine being homeless, but without the proverbial pavement to sleep on. My priority in life is to find a nation we both can live in, by any means necessary (as to my career, it is obviously on hold, since I have no incentive to work as an associate in a firm on the hope of becoming a partner one day in 7-10 years, who knows in what country I will be in in that time?). Would that make me spoiled, or am I instead sacrificing?

Anyway, glad Canada worked out for you, America did not for me so we have to part I guess. No hard feelings.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chris
You have used the words "former Communist country" NINE times, but not once
the name of your native country. It's either one of the former Soviet Union
Republics (including the Baltic States), Bulgaria, Romania or Yugoslavia,
these are the former Communist countries not yet in EU. What's wrong naming
it directly? There is nothing wrong with it, nobody is going to accuse you
or punish you that you were born behind the Iron Curtain. Cold war is over,
why are you so afraid to name your country of birth? I am myself a Romanian
native, now Canadian citizen. I have no reason to hide my past, especially
avoiding naming my native country nine consecutive times in a public forum.
You were so blessed NOT to live behind the Iron Curtain, you have lived in
such a democratic, developed and friendly country, U.S. of A, and all you
can come up is to renounce the US citizenship and spit on your US passport?
I don't know, you said you are a lawyer but you brain belongs to a 10-year
old spoiled kid. You wanna seek refugee in Canada? Man, try to make some
order in your life, some clean-up, because it's just a total mess.
Good luck.
Chris

Frank

Is that necessary to personally attack the poster?

Did yo' momma never teach you that if you have nothing nice (or
constructive) to say then don't say anything at all (how many
negatives are in that saying, I count 3)?

Reading the dude's post it seems like the reason he's pissed is
separation from his wife; I'd be too (although the spitting thing
might be a bit extreme)!

BTW AMERICANS DO GET REFUGEE STATUS SOMETIMES! I'm from Miami and
this ex-pol that's been in the news for years just got his in
Australia, I saw on WSVN7 - here's an article in relation I got on
Google:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...174434914.html

I say good luck brother and keep the faith!

"Chris" wrote in message news:...
    > I don't know, you said you are a lawyer but you brain belongs to a 10-year
    > old spoiled kid. You wanna seek refugee in Canada? Man, try to make some
    > order in your life, some clean-up, because it's just a total mess.
    > Good luck.
    > Chris

Cherub

John_Doe wrote in message news:...
    > Hi Chris,
    >
    > First of all, I was not identifying my former country because I, as an
    > American, can get into Canada anytime I want without a visa; but my
    > wife, a citizen ONLY of that former Communist country cannot - she has
    > to apply for a visa. So, if we were to try to migrate to Canada she
    > would have to come on a tourist visa (which you, or the relative that
    > sponsored you, if applicable, would have probably done yourself to come
    > to Canada from Rumania). Thus, she would have to lie to the Canadien
    > authorities (unfortunately, but citizens from the poorer countries of
    > the world do not make the inequitable rules that keep them prisoners in
    > those countries so the richer countries can pick and choose them like
    > animals in the zoo). Thus, if I tipped off the country, some
    > nationalistic Canadien reading these posts might tipoff the Canadien
    > embassy that serves my wife's country and that would be a negative
    > development for us. So, if I keep the list long, nonspecific (as it
    > could include the countries not yet in but that will be in 2004, right?)
    > and even misleading (it might just be Asia, Africa, or Latin America
    > just as well), then that is not an issue (after all, even if somebody
    > sends a message to all the Canadien Embassies in the world, it will
    > probably be ignored as time passes anyway, since we plan on doing this
    > should our re-petition to the US get denied which is a year up the road,
    > so I am just at the hypothetical point, for now).
    >
    > As to the US, I reiterate, in case I did not make myself clear, but I
    > had nothing against the country until they dicated my family affairs;
    > since then, I am afraid my patriotism is a little empty, sorry if that
    > is unreasonable, but remember, my family left the Communists due to
    > political oppression (so the parallel is that I was separated from my
    > extended family, other than my mother, due to politics and now America
    > separates me from my immediate family due to a political issue like
    > immigration). Alas, I am unmoved by America's "freedoms...and justice
    > for all" knowing my wife faces a 10-year bar from living with me simply
    > for overstaying her visa (if you only knew, there are 10 million or so
    > illegal immigrants in America, obviously nobody cares about their
    > behavior or something would be done about it - instead, my wife tried to
    > "legalize" [as if a human being could be an "illegal" alien] herself,
    > when she could have just lived for the next 30 years out of status just
    > fine). After all, what good is my citizenship if my country cares so
    > little for me as to allow me a basic human right (see e.g., the
    > Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Articles 12 and 16, to which
    > America is a signatory and ratifier)? My former Communist country never
    > did that to me!
    >
    > As to personal judgments as to my sanity, try not to make them until
    > your life has been so adversly affected by immigration laws. I have no
    > viable country to live in, do you know what that is like? Imagine being
    > homeless, but without the proverbial pavement to sleep on. My priority
    > in life is to find a nation we both can live in, by any means necessary
    > (as to my career, it is obviously on hold, since I have no incentive to
    > work as an associate in a firm on the hope of becoming a partner one day
    > in 7-10 years, who knows in what country I will be in in that time?).
    > Would that make me spoiled, or am I instead sacrificing?
    >
    > Anyway, glad Canada worked out for you, America did not for me so we
    > have to part I guess. No hard feelings.

Hi John -
Why are you explaining yourself to this guy? Your country of origin is
none of his business; he has no authority to require such information.

Christian has a history on this group of scanning e-mails and deciding
who, in his narrow opinion, would make a good immigrant to Canada and
who would not. A very judgemental man with little of value to say.
Don't bother with his attacks - they mean nothing.

Best of luck in your applications to come to Canada; you sound like a
kind and thoughtful individual, and a country can always use more of
those :-)

BarbV
(BTW, I'm from the CZECH REPUBLIC Chris, OK?!?! No need to flake out
now...)
    > Originally posted by Chris
    > > You have used the words "former Communist country" NINE times, but
    > > not once
    > > the name of your native country. It's either one of the former
    > > Soviet Union
    > > Republics (including the Baltic States), Bulgaria, Romania or
    > > Yugoslavia,
    > > these are the former Communist countries not yet in EU. What's
    > > wrong naming
    > > it directly? There is nothing wrong with it, nobody is going to
    > > accuse you
    > > or punish you that you were born behind the Iron Curtain. Cold war
    > > is over,
    > > why are you so afraid to name your country of birth? I am myself a
    > > Romanian
    > > native, now Canadian citizen. I have no reason to hide my past,
    > > especially
    > > avoiding naming my native country nine consecutive times in a
    > > public forum.
    > > You were so blessed NOT to live behind the Iron Curtain, you have
    > > lived in
    > > such a democratic, developed and friendly country, U.S. of A,
    > > and all you
    > > can come up is to renounce the US citizenship and spit on your US
    > > passport?
    > > I don't know, you said you are a lawyer but you brain belongs to
    > > a 10-year
    > > old spoiled kid. You wanna seek refugee in Canada? Man, try to
    > > make some
    > > order in your life, some clean-up, because it's just a total mess.
    > > Good luck.
    > > Chris

pkjmet

[email protected] (Cherub) wrote in message news:...
    > John_Doe wrote in message news:...
    > > Hi Chris,
    > >
    > > First of all, I was not identifying my former country because I, as an
    > > American, can get into Canada anytime I want without a visa; but my
    > > wife, a citizen ONLY of that former Communist country cannot - she has
    > > to apply for a visa. So, if we were to try to migrate to Canada she
    > > would have to come on a tourist visa (which you, or the relative that
    > > sponsored you, if applicable, would have probably done yourself to come
    > > to Canada from Rumania). Thus, she would have to lie to the Canadien
    > > authorities (unfortunately, but citizens from the poorer countries of
    > > the world do not make the inequitable rules that keep them prisoners in
    > > those countries so the richer countries can pick and choose them like
    > > animals in the zoo). Thus, if I tipped off the country, some
    > > nationalistic Canadien reading these posts might tipoff the Canadien
    > > embassy that serves my wife's country and that would be a negative
    > > development for us. So, if I keep the list long, nonspecific (as it
    > > could include the countries not yet in but that will be in 2004, right?)
    > > and even misleading (it might just be Asia, Africa, or Latin America
    > > just as well), then that is not an issue (after all, even if somebody
    > > sends a message to all the Canadien Embassies in the world, it will
    > > probably be ignored as time passes anyway, since we plan on doing this
    > > should our re-petition to the US get denied which is a year up the road,
    > > so I am just at the hypothetical point, for now).
    > >
    > > As to the US, I reiterate, in case I did not make myself clear, but I
    > > had nothing against the country until they dicated my family affairs;
    > > since then, I am afraid my patriotism is a little empty, sorry if that
    > > is unreasonable, but remember, my family left the Communists due to
    > > political oppression (so the parallel is that I was separated from my
    > > extended family, other than my mother, due to politics and now America
    > > separates me from my immediate family due to a political issue like
    > > immigration). Alas, I am unmoved by America's "freedoms...and justice
    > > for all" knowing my wife faces a 10-year bar from living with me simply
    > > for overstaying her visa (if you only knew, there are 10 million or so
    > > illegal immigrants in America, obviously nobody cares about their
    > > behavior or something would be done about it - instead, my wife tried to
    > > "legalize" [as if a human being could be an "illegal" alien] herself,
    > > when she could have just lived for the next 30 years out of status just
    > > fine). After all, what good is my citizenship if my country cares so
    > > little for me as to allow me a basic human right (see e.g., the
    > > Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Articles 12 and 16, to which
    > > America is a signatory and ratifier)? My former Communist country never
    > > did that to me!
    > >
    > > As to personal judgments as to my sanity, try not to make them until
    > > your life has been so adversly affected by immigration laws. I have no
    > > viable country to live in, do you know what that is like? Imagine being
    > > homeless, but without the proverbial pavement to sleep on. My priority
    > > in life is to find a nation we both can live in, by any means necessary
    > > (as to my career, it is obviously on hold, since I have no incentive to
    > > work as an associate in a firm on the hope of becoming a partner one day
    > > in 7-10 years, who knows in what country I will be in in that time?).
    > > Would that make me spoiled, or am I instead sacrificing?
    > >
    > > Anyway, glad Canada worked out for you, America did not for me so we
    > > have to part I guess. No hard feelings.
    >
    > Hi John -
    > Why are you explaining yourself to this guy? Your country of origin is
    > none of his business; he has no authority to require such information.
    >
    > Christian has a history on this group of scanning e-mails and deciding
    > who, in his narrow opinion, would make a good immigrant to Canada and
    > who would not. A very judgemental man with little of value to say.
    > Don't bother with his attacks - they mean nothing.
    >
    > Best of luck in your applications to come to Canada; you sound like a
    > kind and thoughtful individual, and a country can always use more of
    > those :-)
    >
    > BarbV
    > (BTW, I'm from the CZECH REPUBLIC Chris, OK?!?! No need to flake out
    > now...)
    > > Originally posted by Chris
    > > > You have used the words "former Communist country" NINE times, but
    > > > not once
    > > > the name of your native country. It's either one of the former
    > > > Soviet Union
    > > > Republics (including the Baltic States), Bulgaria, Romania or
    > > > Yugoslavia,
    > > > these are the former Communist countries not yet in EU. What's
    > > > wrong naming
    > > > it directly? There is nothing wrong with it, nobody is going to
    > > > accuse you
    > > > or punish you that you were born behind the Iron Curtain. Cold war
    > > > is over,
    > > > why are you so afraid to name your country of birth? I am myself a
    > > > Romanian
    > > > native, now Canadian citizen. I have no reason to hide my past,
    > > > especially
    > > > avoiding naming my native country nine consecutive times in a
    > > > public forum.
    > > > You were so blessed NOT to live behind the Iron Curtain, you have
    > > > lived in
    > > > such a democratic, developed and friendly country, U.S. of A,
    > > > and all you
    > > > can come up is to renounce the US citizenship and spit on your US
    > > > passport?
    > > > I don't know, you said you are a lawyer but you brain belongs to
    > > > a 10-year
    > > > old spoiled kid. You wanna seek refugee in Canada? Man, try to
    > > > make some
    > > > order in your life, some clean-up, because it's just a total mess.
    > > > Good luck.
    > > > Chris

BTW - The Amercian who claimed ref status in Oz was not accepted as a
Ref but as a result of an employer nomination.

Get a life Chris.

Jim metcalfe

Netrat

dear John,

I don't have much to comment on your situation as it seems to be very
complicated and I am by no mean any expert on that.

But for God's sake, stop replying to any garbage thrown out by the F**king
idiot Chris. He is the type of morons that Canada shouldn't want. But sadly
enough he is here. Cest la vie.

    ::.


"John_Doe" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi Chris,
    > First of all, I was not identifying my former country because I, as an
    > American, can get into Canada anytime I want without a visa; but my
    > wife, a citizen ONLY of that former Communist country cannot - she has
    > to apply for a visa. So, if we were to try to migrate to Canada she
    > would have to come on a tourist visa (which you, or the relative that
    > sponsored you, if applicable, would have probably done yourself to come
    > to Canada from Rumania). Thus, she would have to lie to the Canadien
    > authorities (unfortunately, but citizens from the poorer countries of
    > the world do not make the inequitable rules that keep them prisoners in
    > those countries so the richer countries can pick and choose them like
    > animals in the zoo). Thus, if I tipped off the country, some
    > nationalistic Canadien reading these posts might tipoff the Canadien
    > embassy that serves my wife's country and that would be a negative
    > development for us. So, if I keep the list long, nonspecific (as it
    > could include the countries not yet in but that will be in 2004, right?)
    > and even misleading (it might just be Asia, Africa, or Latin America
    > just as well), then that is not an issue (after all, even if somebody
    > sends a message to all the Canadien Embassies in the world, it will
    > probably be ignored as time passes anyway, since we plan on doing this
    > should our re-petition to the US get denied which is a year up the road,
    > so I am just at the hypothetical point, for now).
    > As to the US, I reiterate, in case I did not make myself clear, but I
    > had nothing against the country until they dicated my family affairs;
    > since then, I am afraid my patriotism is a little empty, sorry if that
    > is unreasonable, but remember, my family left the Communists due to
    > political oppression (so the parallel is that I was separated from my
    > extended family, other than my mother, due to politics and now America
    > separates me from my immediate family due to a political issue like
    > immigration). Alas, I am unmoved by America's "freedoms...and justice
    > for all" knowing my wife faces a 10-year bar from living with me simply
    > for overstaying her visa (if you only knew, there are 10 million or so
    > illegal immigrants in America, obviously nobody cares about their
    > behavior or something would be done about it - instead, my wife tried to
    > "legalize" [as if a human being could be an "illegal" alien] herself,
    > when she could have just lived for the next 30 years out of status just
    > fine). After all, what good is my citizenship if my country cares so
    > little for me as to allow me a basic human right (see e.g., the
    > Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Articles 12 and 16, to which
    > America is a signatory and ratifier)? My former Communist country never
    > did that to me!
    > As to personal judgments as to my sanity, try not to make them until
    > your life has been so adversly affected by immigration laws. I have no
    > viable country to live in, do you know what that is like? Imagine being
    > homeless, but without the proverbial pavement to sleep on. My priority
    > in life is to find a nation we both can live in, by any means necessary
    > (as to my career, it is obviously on hold, since I have no incentive to
    > work as an associate in a firm on the hope of becoming a partner one day
    > in 7-10 years, who knows in what country I will be in in that time?).
    > Would that make me spoiled, or am I instead sacrificing?
    > Anyway, glad Canada worked out for you, America did not for me so we
    > have to part I guess. No hard feelings.

Francisc

Good luck to you, for such a beacon of light America at times acts
pretty ugly. Canada is nicer, in my view.