Hi, quite a few questions here, I'd be grateful for any answers!
Jan 17th 2003, 9:27 pm
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Hi, quite a few questions here, I'd be grateful for any answers!
Hi,
I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the selection factors for skilled workers.
I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2 A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of the points system?
It looks like I qualify for :
You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20 point option.
Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
15 Education
16 Primary language
2 Secondary language
21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
10 Age
If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
Many thanks
I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the selection factors for skilled workers.
I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2 A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of the points system?
It looks like I qualify for :
You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20 point option.
Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
15 Education
16 Primary language
2 Secondary language
21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
10 Age
If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
Many thanks
Jan 18th 2003, 12:17 am
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Re: Hi, quite a few questions here, I'd be grateful for any answers!
You are in a similar position to myself.
Your A levels are secondary education, so sorry, no points for a diploma and
only 5 points for education!
Getting a validated job offer is also goint to be a problem, as I have found
out. The job you would go for under the skilled workers catagory, would be a
graduate level job, and as you aren't a graduate, hrdc will not validate it!
Your options are to get a degree AND improve your French!
Cheers
Jez
"Iffy Boatrace" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the
> selection factors for skilled workers.
> I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2
> A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from
> 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> the points system?
> It looks like I qualify for :
> You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at
> least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20
> point option.
> Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> 15 Education
> 16 Primary language
> 2 Secondary language
> 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> 10 Age
> If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to
> have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> Many thanks
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Your A levels are secondary education, so sorry, no points for a diploma and
only 5 points for education!
Getting a validated job offer is also goint to be a problem, as I have found
out. The job you would go for under the skilled workers catagory, would be a
graduate level job, and as you aren't a graduate, hrdc will not validate it!
Your options are to get a degree AND improve your French!
Cheers
Jez
"Iffy Boatrace" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the
> selection factors for skilled workers.
> I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2
> A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from
> 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> the points system?
> It looks like I qualify for :
> You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at
> least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20
> point option.
> Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> 15 Education
> 16 Primary language
> 2 Secondary language
> 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> 10 Age
> If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to
> have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> Many thanks
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Jan 18th 2003, 8:12 am
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Re: Hi, quite a few questions here, I'd be grateful for any answers!
A levels are pretty much the equivalent to High School in North America.
"> I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2
> A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from
> 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> the points system?
> It looks like I qualify for :
> You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at
> least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20
> point option.
> Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> 15 Education
> 16 Primary language
> 2 Secondary language
> 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> 10 Age
> If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to
> have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> Many thanks
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
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"> I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2
> A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from
> 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> the points system?
> It looks like I qualify for :
> You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at
> least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20
> point option.
> Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> 15 Education
> 16 Primary language
> 2 Secondary language
> 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> 10 Age
> If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to
> have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> Many thanks
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
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Jan 18th 2003, 6:08 pm
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Re: Hi, quite a few questions here, I'd be grateful for any answers!
In England school is mandatory between the ages of 4 and 16 (12 years).
A levels are elective education - you choose to do these and therefore
continue to *further your education*. It follows that College is further
education, University is higher education - both are post-secondary
education and count for points.
I did some A Levels as a mature student and nobody is going to convince me
that is secondary education!!
BJ
"Iffy Boatrace" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the
> selection factors for skilled workers.
> I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2
> A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from
> 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> the points system?
> It looks like I qualify for :
> You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at
> least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20
> point option.
> Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> 15 Education
> 16 Primary language
> 2 Secondary language
> 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> 10 Age
> If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to
> have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> Many thanks
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
A levels are elective education - you choose to do these and therefore
continue to *further your education*. It follows that College is further
education, University is higher education - both are post-secondary
education and count for points.
I did some A Levels as a mature student and nobody is going to convince me
that is secondary education!!
BJ
"Iffy Boatrace" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the
> selection factors for skilled workers.
> I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2
> A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from
> 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> the points system?
> It looks like I qualify for :
> You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at
> least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20
> point option.
> Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> 15 Education
> 16 Primary language
> 2 Secondary language
> 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> 10 Age
> If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to
> have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> Many thanks
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Jan 18th 2003, 6:29 pm
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Re: Hi, quite a few questions here, I'd be grateful for any answers!
Yep i agree, in no way are A-levels secondary education, they are post
secondary. In equivilancy to the USA they are almost associate degree level,
and no one who had done them would claim they were equivilant to a
highschool.
However as far as points go i doubt they count as a diploma because they are
more academic. The diploma is supposed to be a non university diploma as in
a skilled vocational diploma rather than academic course.
A levels are between highschool and bachelors degree and there is no point
allocation for that level.
So you drop to the one below.
In the same way that you get 20 poitns for a 2 year bachelors degree and yet
you also get 20 points for a 4 or 5 year bachelors degree. No one can argue
that the 4 or 5 year one probably took more work and was more difficult but
until you reach the next stage in the points grade either 2 bachelors
degrees+ or a masters etc you stay at the one below.
So jsut having a-levels is better than highschool but the points system does
not increase until you reach bachelors.
"waterships" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In England school is mandatory between the ages of 4 and 16 (12 years).
> A levels are elective education - you choose to do these and therefore
> continue to *further your education*. It follows that College is further
> education, University is higher education - both are post-secondary
> education and count for points.
> I did some A Levels as a mature student and nobody is going to convince me
> that is secondary education!!
> BJ
> "Iffy Boatrace" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the
> > selection factors for skilled workers.
> >
> > I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2
> > A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> > full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from
> > 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> >
> > My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> > the points system?
> >
> > It looks like I qualify for :
> >
> > You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at
> > least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> >
> > which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> > have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20
> > point option.
> >
> > Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> >
> > If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> > 15 Education
> > 16 Primary language
> > 2 Secondary language
> > 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> > 10 Age
> >
> > If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to
> > have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> > 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
secondary. In equivilancy to the USA they are almost associate degree level,
and no one who had done them would claim they were equivilant to a
highschool.
However as far as points go i doubt they count as a diploma because they are
more academic. The diploma is supposed to be a non university diploma as in
a skilled vocational diploma rather than academic course.
A levels are between highschool and bachelors degree and there is no point
allocation for that level.
So you drop to the one below.
In the same way that you get 20 poitns for a 2 year bachelors degree and yet
you also get 20 points for a 4 or 5 year bachelors degree. No one can argue
that the 4 or 5 year one probably took more work and was more difficult but
until you reach the next stage in the points grade either 2 bachelors
degrees+ or a masters etc you stay at the one below.
So jsut having a-levels is better than highschool but the points system does
not increase until you reach bachelors.
"waterships" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In England school is mandatory between the ages of 4 and 16 (12 years).
> A levels are elective education - you choose to do these and therefore
> continue to *further your education*. It follows that College is further
> education, University is higher education - both are post-secondary
> education and count for points.
> I did some A Levels as a mature student and nobody is going to convince me
> that is secondary education!!
> BJ
> "Iffy Boatrace" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the
> > selection factors for skilled workers.
> >
> > I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have 2
> > A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> > full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education from
> > 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> >
> > My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> > the points system?
> >
> > It looks like I qualify for :
> >
> > You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and at
> > least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> >
> > which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> > have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the 20
> > point option.
> >
> > Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> >
> > If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> > 15 Education
> > 16 Primary language
> > 2 Secondary language
> > 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> > 10 Age
> >
> > If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be to
> > have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> > 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Jan 19th 2003, 2:52 pm
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Re: Hi, quite a few questions here, I'd be grateful for any answers!
I would imagine it depends on the subject of the A Level. Nowadays so many
of them are vocational - IT and business studies for example.
Fine line I guess.
BJ
"The Wizzard" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yep i agree, in no way are A-levels secondary education, they are post
> secondary. In equivilancy to the USA they are almost associate degree
level,
> and no one who had done them would claim they were equivilant to a
> highschool.
> However as far as points go i doubt they count as a diploma because they
are
> more academic. The diploma is supposed to be a non university diploma as
in
> a skilled vocational diploma rather than academic course.
> A levels are between highschool and bachelors degree and there is no point
> allocation for that level.
> So you drop to the one below.
> In the same way that you get 20 poitns for a 2 year bachelors degree and
yet
> you also get 20 points for a 4 or 5 year bachelors degree. No one can
argue
> that the 4 or 5 year one probably took more work and was more difficult
but
> until you reach the next stage in the points grade either 2 bachelors
> degrees+ or a masters etc you stay at the one below.
> So jsut having a-levels is better than highschool but the points system
does
> not increase until you reach bachelors.
> "waterships" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In England school is mandatory between the ages of 4 and 16 (12 years).
> >
> > A levels are elective education - you choose to do these and therefore
> > continue to *further your education*. It follows that College is further
> > education, University is higher education - both are post-secondary
> > education and count for points.
> >
> > I did some A Levels as a mature student and nobody is going to convince
me
> > that is secondary education!!
> >
> > BJ
> >
> >
> > "Iffy Boatrace" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the
> > > selection factors for skilled workers.
> > >
> > > I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have
2
> > > A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> > > full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education
from
> > > 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> > >
> > > My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> > > the points system?
> > >
> > > It looks like I qualify for :
> > >
> > > You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and
at
> > > least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> > >
> > > which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> > > have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the
20
> > > point option.
> > >
> > > Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> > >
> > > If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> > > 15 Education
> > > 16 Primary language
> > > 2 Secondary language
> > > 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> > > 10 Age
> > >
> > > If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be
to
> > > have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> > > 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
> >
> >
of them are vocational - IT and business studies for example.
Fine line I guess.
BJ
"The Wizzard" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yep i agree, in no way are A-levels secondary education, they are post
> secondary. In equivilancy to the USA they are almost associate degree
level,
> and no one who had done them would claim they were equivilant to a
> highschool.
> However as far as points go i doubt they count as a diploma because they
are
> more academic. The diploma is supposed to be a non university diploma as
in
> a skilled vocational diploma rather than academic course.
> A levels are between highschool and bachelors degree and there is no point
> allocation for that level.
> So you drop to the one below.
> In the same way that you get 20 poitns for a 2 year bachelors degree and
yet
> you also get 20 points for a 4 or 5 year bachelors degree. No one can
argue
> that the 4 or 5 year one probably took more work and was more difficult
but
> until you reach the next stage in the points grade either 2 bachelors
> degrees+ or a masters etc you stay at the one below.
> So jsut having a-levels is better than highschool but the points system
does
> not increase until you reach bachelors.
> "waterships" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In England school is mandatory between the ages of 4 and 16 (12 years).
> >
> > A levels are elective education - you choose to do these and therefore
> > continue to *further your education*. It follows that College is further
> > education, University is higher education - both are post-secondary
> > education and count for points.
> >
> > I did some A Levels as a mature student and nobody is going to convince
me
> > that is secondary education!!
> >
> > BJ
> >
> >
> > "Iffy Boatrace" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm a software designer and engineer in the UK. I'm looking at the
> > > selection factors for skilled workers.
> > >
> > > I do not have a degree having left school at 18 after A-Levels. I have
2
> > > A-Levels, one of which is in Computer Science. This was a two year
> > > full-time course from ages 16 to 18. I attended full time education
from
> > > 13 years, from ages 5 to 18.
> > >
> > > My question is this: What does that count for in the Education part of
> > > the points system?
> > >
> > > It looks like I qualify for :
> > >
> > > You have a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and
at
> > > least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent study.
> > >
> > > which would be 15 points. My A-Levels were a 2 year course, but I only
> > > have 13 years of full-time study, so I don't think I qualify for the
20
> > > point option.
> > >
> > > Do my A-Levels count as a one-year diploma?
> > >
> > > If this is the case, I believe my points score would be 64 points
> > > 15 Education
> > > 16 Primary language
> > > 2 Secondary language
> > > 21 Experience (11 years in the industry)
> > > 10 Age
> > >
> > > If this is so, it seems my only option for getting PR status would be
to
> > > have a HRDC validated permenant job offer, which would give me another
> > > 15 points (10 under section 5, 5 under section 6). Is this so?
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
> >
> >
Jan 20th 2003, 9:03 am
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I certainly agree A-Levels are post secondary!
I need to know if I will get the required number of points before I start job hunting. No good getting a job offer and then not being able to get the visa!
Is there any way I can find out for certain? Writing to the Canadian Embassy in the UK? Contacting CIC directly?
Cheers
I need to know if I will get the required number of points before I start job hunting. No good getting a job offer and then not being able to get the visa!
Is there any way I can find out for certain? Writing to the Canadian Embassy in the UK? Contacting CIC directly?
Cheers
Jan 21st 2003, 12:39 pm
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In case anyone else is interested, I found this:
http://www.cicic.ca/indexe.stm
Which gives information on agencies that will evaluate foreign credentials. Looks like there's a nominal fee for the service, but it'll be worth it to find out for sure where I stand.
http://www.cicic.ca/indexe.stm
Which gives information on agencies that will evaluate foreign credentials. Looks like there's a nominal fee for the service, but it'll be worth it to find out for sure where I stand.
