dbd33

Is the argument here that any immigation restriction on the basis of the cost of medical care is immoral? If so it seems to me impractical for any state with a socialised (accepting that for the moment as a fair description of the Canadian single payer systems) medical system to act in a moral manner. Opening the country to the world's halt, lame and HIV positive would swamp the medical system. It seems to me that an action that would cause the medical system to no longer service the population for the sake of not servicing immigrants is far from the moral course.

debbiem

Well, as we are in a similar position, I am watching this story closely to see what happens in the end. It will be very interesting to see whether they are eventually allowed in.
We have a daughter with cp and own a property in Canada (and not in this country), and are currently tossing a coin to decide between waiting out the ever lengthening SW queue (at least another year given the current AORs being dealt with), or accepting a job offer and TWP, in order to get the medicals done sooner and find out if we ever have a hope of PR. If we go on TWP there is a fairly reasonable chance that we will end up coming back after medical for PR, but at least we will have tried. The system will know my daughter inside out and will be able to make a sensible decision as to whether she will be a burden on the state etc.
However, I have to say that if we wait out on SW, and my daughter does get turned down on medical, my instant thought will be to sell the Canadian house and buy here, not move to Canada regardless.
Rules is rules, and ignoring the system is utterly futile.
I will be a tad narked though - my son has dual nationality and we moved back just before my daughter was born - if we'd waited it out another couple of months she'd be a Canadian citizen too. Bah humbug.

The4BellsLondon

see - sensible person - rules is rules and not go to Canada regardless

Big hugs hun and hope whatever happens ends up as the right decision for you and your family
xxx

Tim Steer

Good luck to you and your family Debbiem...Hope it all works out for you...You have obviously given this lots of thought so we will be keeping our fingers crossed for you all

Andrew Miller

Medicals, if any, for TWP are different from medicals for PR. What may not make person inadmissible for TWP may create a problem for PR. Thus don't try to make any predictions based on TWP medicals, even if such will be required.

There are many other things applicants in your situation (and for sure family who are subject of this thread) should do while waiting for PR medicals - going for PR medicals unprepared, without extra paperwork, prognosis and opinions already in hand is futile.

Judy in Calgary

If I remember correctly, Andrew, debbiem asked extensive questions about this when she first joined the forum. I don't think she's confused between TWP medicals and PR medicals.

I think what she means is that, if her husband comes to Canada on a TWP and then submits a PR application backed up by a permanent job offer, his PR application is likely to be expedited. This would speed up the moment of truth when they'd hear CIC's judgement regarding their PR medicals.

I believe debbiem is aware that, if they submitted a PR application that was not backed up by arranged employment, they would be in for a very long wait indeed. I'm guessing that was the sense in which she meant what she said.
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Coffeepot

Shows how easily we are led, The mail should be held accountable for all the scaremongering and half truths they print

Wish our country had the same rules for people having health issues and use
Britain for treatment

Very sensible, hat goes off to you, Hope it all works out ok for you whatever the outcome Same for all of us if your refused then you have to accept it.

debbiem

Thanks Judy - that's exactly it - we wouldn't need medicals for TWP due to type of work, and I was referring to PR medicals once we had applied 'in country' in receipt of permanent job offer. Apologies for any confusion.

We've been in the SW queue for a fair while already, having decided that we had no option but to wait out medicals given our situation... however with no end in sight, TWP and subsequent attempt to expedite PR application might just bring the decision point (ie PR medicals), closer. We know that once we even get to PR medical it isn't going to be as simple as yes or no - we're going to end up with specialists reports and all sorts and it could drag on longer than most applications - so it's going to be a long wait whichever way we go. V difficult to call - my daughter is 4 and has no cognitive disabilities (she has just taught herself to read) and walks and talks (and goes to ballet...), but does have a noticeable motor impairment, medical records a mile long, and recorded brain damage caused by birth injury. On paper she's a disaster which is one of the reasons I suspect living 'in country' with her on TWP might give us a better chance, so the authorities have a realistic idea of her abilities and prognosis rather than taking one look at her 'label' and making an assumption. At least if we live in country with her and they still say no at PR medical we know they have a realistic idea of whether she should be classed a 'burden' or not. I've lost count of the number of times when we've turned up to appointments and the medical professional has been visibly shocked by what an ordinary kid she is, having read her records.

Thanks for all best wishes - will let you know how we get on... xx

nikki dreaming

Best of luck Debbie, really hope this all comes through ok for you

Little D

Good luck Debbie, hope it all works out for you

Paul Wildy

You certainly cant believe everything you read. But partly to blame are the Chapmans themselves who have obviously gone back to the UK angry because the rules didnt get waived for them and proceeded to kick up a media fuss about it to get even. I very much doubt the Daily Mail sought them out for this story - much more likely that they went to the papers and said they had a story to tell.

What they seem to forget to mention all along is that they turned up in Canada without any visas at all. They couldn't qualify as "visitors" because to get a visitor visa you must be prepared to leave Canada when the visitor visa expires - they made it obvious they were "moving" to Canada permanently and to take up residence in the house they had bought. Equally they didnt have permanent resident visas. They had got the provincial nomination part but not the PR visa that would come at the end of the process. So although they claim they were being rejected on medical grounds the truth is their application (this time around) hadnt actually been processed yet. You cant just turn up at the Canadian border saying you are going to move here without a PR visa or a TWP regardless of whether you have a house here or not.

I have to say that I think there are also certain groups here in Canada that are also to blame. Some people had obviously lulled them into a false sense of security and led them to believe that, provided they had bought a house here, everything would be okay. So they were a bit naive but it sounds like they got taken advantage of too by realtors, relocation agents etc. I'm not naming names but I can tell you the house they bought was in Fall River.

Biiiiink

The Telegraph article on this family had the first attempt to move to Canada being a 4yr study permit for the father to attend "Ontario University" (sic) - although they don't state in this piece that the daughter was found inadmissible on medical grounds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...bled-girl.html

Andrew Miller

It is obvious now that family and/or ignorant journalists are making a lot of misrepresentations and omissions in the Telegraph article. The Chronicle Herald article had less omissions and misrepresentations and authors did some digging on their own, although article was also written by journalists who are ignorant about immigration laws and drew wrong conclusions.

Seems that Chapmans, who are the only one to blame, are trying to fight their case through the media, hoping that negative publicity will force CIC to change inadmissibility decision. They likely don't know that there were much higher profile cases before that were also battled in media and only just few applicants in business class (with already running for years companies in Canada, with dozens of full time jobs) won the fight - and not because of media, simply because of court decision which allowed CIC to take into consideration financial means of applicants.

Telegraph article states that Chapmans hired consultant for their immigration and relocation - said consultant should be held responsible now too for the mess.

nikki dreaming

They did use a consultant , have a look at the paperwork shown on this clip


http://www.itvlocal.com/london/news/?void=221277

The4BellsLondon

they were using Wills Brazolot.