Do a software engineer need CCPE?
Oct 22nd 2001, 7:22 pm
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Nope...
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Oct 23rd 2001, 5:30 pm
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Where is the officer state about software engineer needn't CCPE? thank you! "Andrew
Miller" <[email protected]> �´Èë�û�¢�ÂÎÅ
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Oct 23rd 2001, 5:56 pm
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Nowhere...
The reason for CCPE requiring assessment for certain engineers is that majority of
jobs as a Professional Engineer require licensing as such and thus immigration
officers want to have applicant's credentials assessed by CCPE. Software Engineering
doesn't require any PE licensing as there is no such thing as a Professional Software
Engineer designation in Canada.
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[usenetquote2]> > Nope...[/usenetquote2]
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The reason for CCPE requiring assessment for certain engineers is that majority of
jobs as a Professional Engineer require licensing as such and thus immigration
officers want to have applicant's credentials assessed by CCPE. Software Engineering
doesn't require any PE licensing as there is no such thing as a Professional Software
Engineer designation in Canada.
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Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
[email protected] (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
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Oct 24th 2001, 12:39 am
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More specifically, there are no jobs titles as Software Engineers in Canada, or if
there are the employers are running the gauntlet of the Professional Engineers Assn
of their province. The PE assn's have claimed the term Engineer to mean
Professional Engineer.
If you want to be a Software Engineer, you can write the PEng exams and describe
yourself as an Engineer, but it would be kind of pointless.
Most IT jobs in Canada use other terminology, like Software Professional, Systems
Analyst, Systems Consultant, IT Specialist ... anything to avoid the word "Engineer".
It is interesting to note that the PEng Assn's are looking closely at the software
industry and are considering that it is possibly a valid Engineering occupation and
that they should fall under the P.Eng. laws.
Frankly I think it's ridiculous, even as it stands today, but that's another matter
altogether for another forum!
Stuart
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[usenetquote2]>>Where is the officer state about software engineer needn't CCPE? thank you! "Andrew[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>Miller" <[email protected]> �´Èë�û�¢�ÂÎÅ[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>>>Nope...[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>>>Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>>[email protected] (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>>sending email)[/usenetquote2]
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there are the employers are running the gauntlet of the Professional Engineers Assn
of their province. The PE assn's have claimed the term Engineer to mean
Professional Engineer.
If you want to be a Software Engineer, you can write the PEng exams and describe
yourself as an Engineer, but it would be kind of pointless.
Most IT jobs in Canada use other terminology, like Software Professional, Systems
Analyst, Systems Consultant, IT Specialist ... anything to avoid the word "Engineer".
It is interesting to note that the PEng Assn's are looking closely at the software
industry and are considering that it is possibly a valid Engineering occupation and
that they should fall under the P.Eng. laws.
Frankly I think it's ridiculous, even as it stands today, but that's another matter
altogether for another forum!
Stuart
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[usenetquote2]>>Where is the officer state about software engineer needn't CCPE? thank you! "Andrew[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>Miller" <[email protected]> �´Èë�û�¢�ÂÎÅ[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>:[email protected].. .[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>>>sending email)[/usenetquote2]
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Oct 24th 2001, 9:31 am
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Stuart Brook wrote...
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More strangely, I found that you get more points for naming yourself as a 'Computer
Programmer' than a 'Software Engineer', when I would class a software engineer being
higher up the ladder than a programmer ?????
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More strangely, I found that you get more points for naming yourself as a 'Computer
Programmer' than a 'Software Engineer', when I would class a software engineer being
higher up the ladder than a programmer ?????
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Oct 24th 2001, 5:44 pm
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Matt Shacklady <[email protected]> wrote
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[usenetquote2]>> More specifically, there are no jobs titles as Software Engineers in Canada, or if[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> Professional Engineer.[/usenetquote2]
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This somehow doesn't surprise me which just goes to show that a Software Engineer
isn't considered an particularly valid job title!
Software Engineer has been widely used as a euphemism for Programmer, especially with
regard to NAFTA Chapter 16 which permitted amongst others IT professionals to work
temporarily in any of the NAFTA countries. HOWEVER, unlike the CFTA which preceded
it, NAFTA excluded programmers. So, Software Eng. was a common job title in an
attempt to get people into the US. The INS twigged what was going on and now screen
software engineers as not being programmers.
Stuart
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[usenetquote2]>> More specifically, there are no jobs titles as Software Engineers in Canada, or if[/usenetquote2]
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This somehow doesn't surprise me which just goes to show that a Software Engineer
isn't considered an particularly valid job title!
Software Engineer has been widely used as a euphemism for Programmer, especially with
regard to NAFTA Chapter 16 which permitted amongst others IT professionals to work
temporarily in any of the NAFTA countries. HOWEVER, unlike the CFTA which preceded
it, NAFTA excluded programmers. So, Software Eng. was a common job title in an
attempt to get people into the US. The INS twigged what was going on and now screen
software engineers as not being programmers.
Stuart
Oct 25th 2001, 1:53 pm
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Matt Shacklady <[email protected]> wrote in
news:Xns91456D3D02773shackladymlogic...93.123.204.68:
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[usenetquote2]>> preceded it, NAFTA excluded programmers. So, Software Eng. was a common job title[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> in an attempt to get people into the US. The INS twigged what was going on and now[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> screen software engineers as not being programmers.[/usenetquote2]
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They do it very boldly ... "How much of your time, as a percentage will you spend
writing code?" If it's more than 20%, then you're a programmer, "go away".
They also look for signs in any resume you present of job progression to systems
analyst, and at the duties ... they are looking for words like "diagnose, design,
high level, analyse" etc ... if they don't see them, they get suspicious. They also
look at the qualifications you offer. If like many, you offer MCSE for example, they
actually look on that as a qualification of a programmer.
There are lots of clues they look for.
Stuart
news:Xns91456D3D02773shackladymlogic...93.123.204.68:
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[usenetquote2]>> preceded it, NAFTA excluded programmers. So, Software Eng. was a common job title[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> in an attempt to get people into the US. The INS twigged what was going on and now[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> screen software engineers as not being programmers.[/usenetquote2]
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They do it very boldly ... "How much of your time, as a percentage will you spend
writing code?" If it's more than 20%, then you're a programmer, "go away".
They also look for signs in any resume you present of job progression to systems
analyst, and at the duties ... they are looking for words like "diagnose, design,
high level, analyse" etc ... if they don't see them, they get suspicious. They also
look at the qualifications you offer. If like many, you offer MCSE for example, they
actually look on that as a qualification of a programmer.
There are lots of clues they look for.
Stuart
