Originally Posted by Jim Humphries

Those affected are in low skill jobs, something that had never been possible until the new government listened to the wrong business persons. There was never any chance of PR at that skill level

Originally Posted by beckiwoo

I think Citizens should still get priority over PR!

Originally Posted by Aviator

Still 200 more than I would expect.

I did not know any Phd pilots. Some of us only had a limited education, many buttons are coloured and different shapes so we could figure out what they were for and the only window at the end, was at the front, so we went to the right bit. It was always good when one arrives at a strip of asphalt, hoping the right one and if the aeroplane can be used again, bonus!

Originally Posted by Ontheroadoflife

I have seen this argument before...my job has been advertised and empty for 8 months...who am I taking it off of exactly? Except the lazy, who want to sit and complain that Temporary workers are the reason a job is not in front of them, I think before that the excuse was first nations, and after it will be all these PR holders or something else. I actually will be glad (and happy to see) when TWP disappears, as suddenly all these "disadvantaged" citizens can be given the choice of flipping burgers or serving coffee or washing toilets..you have no job..there you are..go work for it, if they want my job...move..take it...my employer would be damn glad...they are worried sick about staff shortages!! Thats the other side, which i hope doesn't happen..you take all the TWP away, and suddenly there is no person to take your order at Mcdonalds, in fact as a local place had to they need to close early everyday as they can't get the staff. so you think i know i'll go to Walmart and get the stuff for a sandwich instead..but the shelves are empty as currently (as in my local) Walmart have 14 vacancies, 6 for shelf and handling staff. Damn...okay then...go to a bar and get a pub meal...but heck wouldn't you know it, the local has been bar snacks only for over 2 months as they can't get a chef. You want work..no problem...come move to Calgary...it's everywhere, they got job offers left right and centre! if you don't want to, don't complain about me taking the job instead, I had an interesting discussion in a bar with a guy who said i shouldn't be there etc etc, and was doing "his" job, after a couple of beers had loosened him up, turns out he was on his third DUI and had spent a year in prison for something drug related..I'm sure my employer would welcome him with open arms..<koff>, he was on some state benefit, and unemployed and showing on the figures no doubt, which people say is proof I'm stealing jobs, but there is no way on gods earth my employer would touch him with a pole!

As i said, who am I taking work off of

My job is hard graft, damn hard graft it's there still on job-bank if interested. i can assure you if you apply and you have the skills and aptitude my employer will give it to you in a heartbeat and be glad to have you.

Unless of course those permits we have been waiting for and the company got the local MP involved about (because of course our company is owned and run by a citizen) suddenly show up then your out of luck as I'm keeping it after PR and into Citizenship.

Originally Posted by beckiwoo

If we don't get PR then we don't get PR but we should be given the chance to apply at least.

Originally Posted by Ontheroadoflife

No I'm sorry, the two are totally different, If someone chooses to apply for PR and comes to Canada and is unable to get a job in their field (which sad though it is, it is possible as no one has recruited them for a specific role and brought them into the country for that specific post), they can take any job, and like everyone else establish themselves in the country and if necessary take what qualifications are required to enter their old fields...such is life, same would happen in the UK if you got laid off. Also a PR holder can easily go home and work for a year or more in their old field and return (unless they have burned their bridges)...a TWP can't

A temporary worker, especially one that (like me) was canvassed by his Canadian Employer while happy in the UK looking for a specific skill set who had an established life and career and was lured under the clear promise of CEC PR, does I feel, have a right to be upset and have a whinge, it makes no difference I get PR through marriage (luckily). But for Canadians to say "how dare the TWP whinge" kind of smacks of "yessus boss, sorry boss, I will do what I is told boss".

If you wish i will send you the welcome pack from my employer from 2 years ago, welcoming me to Canada and informing me that if I came it would lead to eventual CEC PR, also included is letters from the HR and the immigration consultant all saying the same thing. I took all of these on good faith. My employer knew to get the people they wanted to uproot they wouldn't do it for a 2 year contract...PR was the carrot. My employer was cute in implying (not saying, just implying) we had to do a set amount of service to apply and the HR and immigration consultant actually said the same (although never in writing) ...but of course both of those are in the employ of the company..and misunderstood the rules to the companies benefit. Rather than applying directly on day one, which at that time was the case and we all could, we all waited, by the time of the changes to the system reached our ears it was too late.

It was on that understanding..the leading to PR... I took the role, that paid less than what I earned in the UK, and on that understanding I sold my life up, rather than put it on hold. To suggest I just packed my bags and believed the world owed me everything, and should have a plan B is insulting.

I might add to enhance the illusion we are coming for good the job offer (re-reading it all now) is for a full time post rather than a 2 year contract, and even stresses that....slap my employer, don't slap me.

Originally Posted by JamesM

Why should you be given the chance? And why couldn't you apply from England?

Originally Posted by JonboyE

I thought of three possible responses and, as I can't decide which is best ...

1) You can take the person out of Britain ...
2) And they say that Canadians have no sense of irony
3) We're British, we are not really immigrants like all those furriners.

Originally Posted by Jsmth321

Well at the rate more and more airlines are going now with requiring pilots to have a degree, you may find more Phd's....

Originally Posted by Divvym1

because she qualifies probably!? and she is in Canada right now. Pretty sure thats why she didn't apply from England

Originally Posted by beckiwoo

So you want it scrapped then?

Originally Posted by Divvym1

Post of the year my friend!