Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
Apr 1st 2015, 8:46 pm
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
This is not what it is being used for
Apr 1st 2015, 9:16 pm
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
Not arguing with that as a valid desire but that the intent behind the IEC was never a " try before you buy" . it was meant for young people, mostly on a gap year to fund their travels. In a similar vein to the Aussie working holiday visa.
This is not what it is being used for
This is not what it is being used for
I wish at a younger age, I had known about working holiday type programs. Would have loved to work and live in Australia for a year. Although not sure back then they existed or if they did if the US qualified.
Apr 1st 2015, 9:18 pm
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
I feel bad for being taken advantage of by employers, seems some employers even turned it into a money making scheme by bringing the workers over, paying them a lower wage, then had them lived in housing owned by the employer and then charged them rent and recoup a portion of the money they paid the people.
But temporary does meat temporary, so workers should have been prepared to leave if it the time came.
But temporary does meat temporary, so workers should have been prepared to leave if it the time came.
Apr 1st 2015, 9:30 pm
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
This what Farahnaz Bandali, a senior policy analyst with the Canada West Foundation says on CBC website. Bandali says that workers might have been temporary, but the jobs are permanent, and that the program created to fill temporary jobs has changed over the years.
"In some ways it's our own fault; these people were going to come in and fill temporary jobs and now they're filling permanent jobs, which is where the disconnect is happening."
And from a union guy same article,
Even though McGowan of the Alberta Federation of Labour thinks the program needs to be killed, he has sympathy for the workers still here in Canada.
"They didn't do anything wrong; they never deserved the treatment they got," says McGowan. "I've sent a letter to Jason Kenney asking that the temporary foreign workers currently in the country be grandfathered and be allowed permanent residency and eventual citizenship.
"They didn't do anything wrong, they were used as pawns by a broken program to drive down wages."
I totally agree,they didnt do anything wrong ,they didnt abuse the system the big corporations did.Alot of these people send money to families abroad in their home countries,these people will be affected also.
"In some ways it's our own fault; these people were going to come in and fill temporary jobs and now they're filling permanent jobs, which is where the disconnect is happening."
And from a union guy same article,
Even though McGowan of the Alberta Federation of Labour thinks the program needs to be killed, he has sympathy for the workers still here in Canada.
"They didn't do anything wrong; they never deserved the treatment they got," says McGowan. "I've sent a letter to Jason Kenney asking that the temporary foreign workers currently in the country be grandfathered and be allowed permanent residency and eventual citizenship.
"They didn't do anything wrong, they were used as pawns by a broken program to drive down wages."
I totally agree,they didnt do anything wrong ,they didnt abuse the system the big corporations did.Alot of these people send money to families abroad in their home countries,these people will be affected also.
Apr 1st 2015, 9:32 pm
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
Not arguing with that as a valid desire but that the intent behind the IEC was never a " try before you buy" . it was meant for young people, mostly on a gap year to fund their travels. In a similar vein to the Aussie working holiday visa.
This is not what it is being used for
This is not what it is being used for
I just don't see how they'd police that, though, so best leave the program as it is imo. Unless they introduced new rules forcing the participants to only stay in jobs for a short amount of time or something? but then they'd probably have trouble being hired.
Apr 1st 2015, 9:41 pm
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
Not arguing with that as a valid desire but that the intent behind the IEC was never a " try before you buy" . it was meant for young people, mostly on a gap year to fund their travels. In a similar vein to the Aussie working holiday visa.
This is not what it is being used for
This is not what it is being used for
Apr 1st 2015, 11:02 pm
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
it seems to me that it was the EMPLOYERS that needed policing ..............
after all, it was MacDonalds, Timmies, etc etc who were laying off Canadian employees, bringing in most of the temporary workers, and some of their franchisees who were then forcing the temps to live in apartments owned by the employer, and charging exorbitant rates. Many of the places bringing in the temps were in small towns where there was unemployment, or young Canadians wanting to work ............... but the Canadians were more expensive to employ.
that is where the effort needs to be put in making the programme work.
after all, it was MacDonalds, Timmies, etc etc who were laying off Canadian employees, bringing in most of the temporary workers, and some of their franchisees who were then forcing the temps to live in apartments owned by the employer, and charging exorbitant rates. Many of the places bringing in the temps were in small towns where there was unemployment, or young Canadians wanting to work ............... but the Canadians were more expensive to employ.
that is where the effort needs to be put in making the programme work.
Apr 1st 2015, 11:27 pm
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
In Australia holders of a WHV can only work for any one employer for a maximum of 6 months. And this visa is only valid for one year unless the holder does 3 months of regional or agricultural work (i.e. fruit picking, working on a station, etc), then a second year can be applied for. A lot of people have a hard time finding skilled work on these visas, but they are meant to be kids backpacking around working in bars or picking fruit, etc. Not as a way to bypass skilled migration requirements.
Apr 2nd 2015, 12:10 am
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
The ones being sent home have been here for 4 years, starting to become more then temporary. A temp program should only work to fill labour skill shortages, and for the benefit of Canada.
Apr 2nd 2015, 12:14 am
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
Hi
1. And longer, as the previous work prior April/2011 didn't count in the 4 years maximum.
This then illustrates that the demand for temporary foreign workers is more limited, there are Canadians in many instances that can do the jobs.
The ones being sent home have been here for 4 years, starting to become more then temporary. A temp program should only work to fill labour skill shortages, and for the benefit of Canada.
The ones being sent home have been here for 4 years, starting to become more then temporary. A temp program should only work to fill labour skill shortages, and for the benefit of Canada.
Apr 2nd 2015, 12:36 am
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
Not arguing with that as a valid desire but that the intent behind the IEC was never a " try before you buy" . it was meant for young people, mostly on a gap year to fund their travels. In a similar vein to the Aussie working holiday visa.
This is not what it is being used for
This is not what it is being used for
However, we have all applied to come out here and work legally. If we don't get PR then we don't get PR but we should be given the chance to apply at least.
Apr 2nd 2015, 12:49 am
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
All immigration programs should protect local residents and workers and be only for the benefit of the country.
Apr 2nd 2015, 1:05 am
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
Yes you should... so long as you meet the criteria for PR. In Australia only skilled work is counted toward your points claimed, so just having worked here isn't enough to claim for in-country experience. Experience has to be in your (general you, not you specifically) nominated trade.
Apr 2nd 2015, 1:24 am
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
IEC does not have the same controls in place to protect the local workforce as the TWP program. With permanent places going to IEC holders and even TWP holders without strict rules in place can dislodge locals from the available work.
All immigration programs should protect local residents and workers and be only for the benefit of the country.
All immigration programs should protect local residents and workers and be only for the benefit of the country.
Apr 2nd 2015, 1:24 am
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Re: Deadline today for 1000s of temp. foreign workers
Yes you should... so long as you meet the criteria for PR. In Australia only skilled work is counted toward your points claimed, so just having worked here isn't enough to claim for in-country experience. Experience has to be in your (general you, not you specifically) nominated trade.