criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
Jun 14th 2003, 8:46 pm
#1
Guest
Posts: n/a
criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
I write from Utah.
My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
however my fingerprints were never taken. My FBI record is clear, my
state record is clear.
I want to apply for a landed immigrant status in skilled worker
category. What should I do about my criminal past? Ask for a waiver?
Forget it? Or copy all my documents and enclose with the forms?
I need an advice. I might even hire a lawyer, right?
Thank for any comments.
Lilah
My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
however my fingerprints were never taken. My FBI record is clear, my
state record is clear.
I want to apply for a landed immigrant status in skilled worker
category. What should I do about my criminal past? Ask for a waiver?
Forget it? Or copy all my documents and enclose with the forms?
I need an advice. I might even hire a lawyer, right?
Thank for any comments.
Lilah
Jun 14th 2003, 9:26 pm
#2
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
"lylla3" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I write from Utah.
> My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly ridiculous.
Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care too
much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that stupid
mistake.
> however my fingerprints were never taken. My FBI record is clear, my
> state record is clear.
> I want to apply for a landed immigrant status in skilled worker
> category. What should I do about my criminal past? Ask for a waiver?
> Forget it? Or copy all my documents and enclose with the forms?
> I need an advice. I might even hire a lawyer, right?
> Thank for any comments.
> Lilah
news:[email protected]...
> I write from Utah.
> My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly ridiculous.
Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care too
much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that stupid
mistake.
> however my fingerprints were never taken. My FBI record is clear, my
> state record is clear.
> I want to apply for a landed immigrant status in skilled worker
> category. What should I do about my criminal past? Ask for a waiver?
> Forget it? Or copy all my documents and enclose with the forms?
> I need an advice. I might even hire a lawyer, right?
> Thank for any comments.
> Lilah
Jun 14th 2003, 11:20 pm
#3
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
MadRedHatter wrote:
>
> "lylla3" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I write from Utah.
> > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
>
> Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly ridiculous.
> Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care too
> much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that stupid
> mistake.
Come off it. Just a few years ago, this was not at all uncommon, and
when many of us were children, it was absolutely normal. Nobody was
paranoid about the thought of babysnatchers etc.
This is not about not caring about your kid ... this is about
overzealous police and in some areas overzealous childrens' aid.
>
> "lylla3" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I write from Utah.
> > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
>
> Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly ridiculous.
> Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care too
> much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that stupid
> mistake.
Come off it. Just a few years ago, this was not at all uncommon, and
when many of us were children, it was absolutely normal. Nobody was
paranoid about the thought of babysnatchers etc.
This is not about not caring about your kid ... this is about
overzealous police and in some areas overzealous childrens' aid.
Jun 14th 2003, 11:45 pm
#4
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
"S B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MadRedHatter wrote:
> >
> > "lylla3" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I write from Utah.
> > > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
> >
> > Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly
ridiculous.
> > Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care
too
> > much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that
stupid
> > mistake.
> Come off it. Just a few years ago, this was not at all uncommon, and
> when many of us were children, it was absolutely normal. Nobody was
> paranoid about the thought of babysnatchers etc.
> This is not about not caring about your kid ... this is about
> overzealous police and in some areas overzealous childrens' aid.
No, I would say it was an unthinking careless mother. I know when I was a
baby my parents never put me in child seat. No one would ever think of doing
that today. I never wore a bike helmet as a kid .. again that would never be
done today.
With so many child kidnappings in the news these days what kind of mother
are you to leave your child in a car for 10 minutes?
news:[email protected]...
> MadRedHatter wrote:
> >
> > "lylla3" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I write from Utah.
> > > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
> >
> > Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly
ridiculous.
> > Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care
too
> > much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that
stupid
> > mistake.
> Come off it. Just a few years ago, this was not at all uncommon, and
> when many of us were children, it was absolutely normal. Nobody was
> paranoid about the thought of babysnatchers etc.
> This is not about not caring about your kid ... this is about
> overzealous police and in some areas overzealous childrens' aid.
No, I would say it was an unthinking careless mother. I know when I was a
baby my parents never put me in child seat. No one would ever think of doing
that today. I never wore a bike helmet as a kid .. again that would never be
done today.
With so many child kidnappings in the news these days what kind of mother
are you to leave your child in a car for 10 minutes?
Jun 14th 2003, 11:53 pm
#5
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
MadRedHatter wrote:
> With so many child kidnappings in the news these days what kind of mother
> are you to leave your child in a car for 10 minutes?
Wait a minute here ... Now really, count the number of child
kidnappings. Count 'em! There aren't any more today than there were 40
years ago.
Most child kidnappings are done by people the children know and trust.
What's happened today is that courtesy of "The News" and CNN and so on
all these things that used to be of local concern are now splashed
across the screens across the continent.
Just because somebody snatched a kid in the middle of a custody suit in
Alma Nebraska doesn't mean your kid in Ottawa is any more likely to be
snatched.
The NEWS is the thing that has changed ... not the snatching, not the
molesting kids. Look at all the church related molesting ... that
happened 30+ years ago!!!
> With so many child kidnappings in the news these days what kind of mother
> are you to leave your child in a car for 10 minutes?
Wait a minute here ... Now really, count the number of child
kidnappings. Count 'em! There aren't any more today than there were 40
years ago.
Most child kidnappings are done by people the children know and trust.
What's happened today is that courtesy of "The News" and CNN and so on
all these things that used to be of local concern are now splashed
across the screens across the continent.
Just because somebody snatched a kid in the middle of a custody suit in
Alma Nebraska doesn't mean your kid in Ottawa is any more likely to be
snatched.
The NEWS is the thing that has changed ... not the snatching, not the
molesting kids. Look at all the church related molesting ... that
happened 30+ years ago!!!
Jun 14th 2003, 11:55 pm
#6
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
Err, excuse me - This person is not asking to be judged, she is asking for
advice. She is aware of her past and her judgement was heard at court, she
has had her punishment, she does not need it to be reinforced by a forum she
has turned to for support/advice.
Nik.
(UK Police Officer)
"MadRedHatter" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"S B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MadRedHatter wrote:
> >
> > "lylla3" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I write from Utah.
> > > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
> >
> > Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly
ridiculous.
> > Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care
too
> > much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that
stupid
> > mistake.
> Come off it. Just a few years ago, this was not at all uncommon, and
> when many of us were children, it was absolutely normal. Nobody was
> paranoid about the thought of babysnatchers etc.
> This is not about not caring about your kid ... this is about
> overzealous police and in some areas overzealous childrens' aid.
No, I would say it was an unthinking careless mother. I know when I was a
baby my parents never put me in child seat. No one would ever think of doing
that today. I never wore a bike helmet as a kid .. again that would never be
done today.
With so many child kidnappings in the news these days what kind of mother
are you to leave your child in a car for 10 minutes?
advice. She is aware of her past and her judgement was heard at court, she
has had her punishment, she does not need it to be reinforced by a forum she
has turned to for support/advice.
Nik.
(UK Police Officer)
"MadRedHatter" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"S B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MadRedHatter wrote:
> >
> > "lylla3" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I write from Utah.
> > > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
> >
> > Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly
ridiculous.
> > Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care
too
> > much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that
stupid
> > mistake.
> Come off it. Just a few years ago, this was not at all uncommon, and
> when many of us were children, it was absolutely normal. Nobody was
> paranoid about the thought of babysnatchers etc.
> This is not about not caring about your kid ... this is about
> overzealous police and in some areas overzealous childrens' aid.
No, I would say it was an unthinking careless mother. I know when I was a
baby my parents never put me in child seat. No one would ever think of doing
that today. I never wore a bike helmet as a kid .. again that would never be
done today.
With so many child kidnappings in the news these days what kind of mother
are you to leave your child in a car for 10 minutes?
Jun 15th 2003, 1:24 am
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
"MadRedHatter" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "lylla3" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I write from Utah.
> > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
> Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly
ridiculous.
> Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care
too
> much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that stupid
> mistake.
Relevant CNN article from 6/14/03 actually.:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/14/ch....ap/index.html
SUMMARY:
A 7 month old child was left in a van for EIGHT hours to DIE! No charges
are being filed against the father who left the child in the hot van. This
was in Nevada.
news:[email protected]...
> "lylla3" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I write from Utah.
> > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
> Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly
ridiculous.
> Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care
too
> much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that stupid
> mistake.
Relevant CNN article from 6/14/03 actually.:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/14/ch....ap/index.html
SUMMARY:
A 7 month old child was left in a van for EIGHT hours to DIE! No charges
are being filed against the father who left the child in the hot van. This
was in Nevada.
Jun 15th 2003, 1:41 am
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
Duran wrote:
>
> "MadRedHatter" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "lylla3" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I write from Utah.
> > > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
> >
> > Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly
> ridiculous.
> > Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care
> too
> > much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that stupid
> > mistake.
>
> Relevant CNN article from 6/14/03 actually.:
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/14/ch....ap/index.html
>
> SUMMARY:
> A 7 month old child was left in a van for EIGHT hours to DIE! No charges
> are being filed against the father who left the child in the hot van. This
> was in Nevada.
Now, that *is* child abandonment, and look at that ... got away with it!
>
> "MadRedHatter" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "lylla3" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I write from Utah.
> > > My story is simple. I went into the shop and left my baby asleep in
> > > the car for 10 minutes. I was in a hurry, but I arrived back with the
> > > police and firefighter team. Someone called them. I ended up at a
> > > court. The judge told me, it was one of the cases he'd hated his job
> > > for. I was advised to pled guilty, so I did. I was convinced for child
> > > abusement (!). It's an omission. I got a suspended sentence. One years
> > > in prison. I had to complete a course, and have to visit an officer
> > > every month for 18 months (expires next march) Even the officer
> > > doesn't take it too seriously :-(.
> > > It's ridiculous, but well, it happened, and now I have a record,
> >
> > Leaving a bab in a vehicle while you run into a store is hardly
> ridiculous.
> > Do you know what could possibly have happened? Obviously you don't care
> too
> > much about your kid or you would have thought before you made that stupid
> > mistake.
>
> Relevant CNN article from 6/14/03 actually.:
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/14/ch....ap/index.html
>
> SUMMARY:
> A 7 month old child was left in a van for EIGHT hours to DIE! No charges
> are being filed against the father who left the child in the hot van. This
> was in Nevada.
Now, that *is* child abandonment, and look at that ... got away with it!
Jun 15th 2003, 4:36 am
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
"Diablo ²°°²" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Err, excuse me - This person is not asking to be judged, she is asking for
> advice. She is aware of her past and her judgement was heard at court, she
> has had her punishment, she does not need it to be reinforced by a forum
she
> has turned to for support/advice.
> Nik.
> (UK Police Officer)
But don't you find it disturbing that she doesn't take it very seriously?
news:[email protected]...
> Err, excuse me - This person is not asking to be judged, she is asking for
> advice. She is aware of her past and her judgement was heard at court, she
> has had her punishment, she does not need it to be reinforced by a forum
she
> has turned to for support/advice.
> Nik.
> (UK Police Officer)
But don't you find it disturbing that she doesn't take it very seriously?
Jun 15th 2003, 5:02 am
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
Well, when I asked for comments, I didn't mean this kind... Believe
me, all the people I met (court, police, officers... were apologizing,
even the lady who gave the lectures said she used to do it when her
kids were small, but she knows it's not allowed now. When it happened
I had lived in the States for two months only. I'm from Europe) it
happened in a small, safe town, crime unknown. Not Toronto or New
York. I sure wouldn't have done it even in Salt Lake City. They all
told me, since they were called by someone, they had to go through the
procedure. Noone believed it will end up with a serious punishment.
But the law is law, and I got the possibly mildest penalty.
I need an advice, what to do next. There was another topic with a "hit
and run" about this criminal record stuff. Why didn't you attack that
guy? You don't know my exact circumstances.
Mr. Miller, or someone experienced in immigration, please, give me a
useful advice.
Thanks
Lilah
me, all the people I met (court, police, officers... were apologizing,
even the lady who gave the lectures said she used to do it when her
kids were small, but she knows it's not allowed now. When it happened
I had lived in the States for two months only. I'm from Europe) it
happened in a small, safe town, crime unknown. Not Toronto or New
York. I sure wouldn't have done it even in Salt Lake City. They all
told me, since they were called by someone, they had to go through the
procedure. Noone believed it will end up with a serious punishment.
But the law is law, and I got the possibly mildest penalty.
I need an advice, what to do next. There was another topic with a "hit
and run" about this criminal record stuff. Why didn't you attack that
guy? You don't know my exact circumstances.
Mr. Miller, or someone experienced in immigration, please, give me a
useful advice.
Thanks
Lilah
Jun 15th 2003, 6:00 am
#11
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
Contact me directly please.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"lylla3" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, when I asked for comments, I didn't mean this kind... Believe
> me, all the people I met (court, police, officers... were apologizing,
> even the lady who gave the lectures said she used to do it when her
> kids were small, but she knows it's not allowed now. When it happened
> I had lived in the States for two months only. I'm from Europe) it
> happened in a small, safe town, crime unknown. Not Toronto or New
> York. I sure wouldn't have done it even in Salt Lake City. They all
> told me, since they were called by someone, they had to go through the
> procedure. Noone believed it will end up with a serious punishment.
> But the law is law, and I got the possibly mildest penalty.
> I need an advice, what to do next. There was another topic with a "hit
> and run" about this criminal record stuff. Why didn't you attack that
> guy? You don't know my exact circumstances.
> Mr. Miller, or someone experienced in immigration, please, give me a
> useful advice.
> Thanks
> Lilah
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"lylla3" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, when I asked for comments, I didn't mean this kind... Believe
> me, all the people I met (court, police, officers... were apologizing,
> even the lady who gave the lectures said she used to do it when her
> kids were small, but she knows it's not allowed now. When it happened
> I had lived in the States for two months only. I'm from Europe) it
> happened in a small, safe town, crime unknown. Not Toronto or New
> York. I sure wouldn't have done it even in Salt Lake City. They all
> told me, since they were called by someone, they had to go through the
> procedure. Noone believed it will end up with a serious punishment.
> But the law is law, and I got the possibly mildest penalty.
> I need an advice, what to do next. There was another topic with a "hit
> and run" about this criminal record stuff. Why didn't you attack that
> guy? You don't know my exact circumstances.
> Mr. Miller, or someone experienced in immigration, please, give me a
> useful advice.
> Thanks
> Lilah
Jun 15th 2003, 6:06 am
#12
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
Why not discuss it in this newsgroup.
>Subject: Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
>From: "Andrew Miller" [email protected]
>Date: 6/15/03 3:00 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>Contact me directly please.
>--
>../..
>Andrew Miller
>Immigration Consultant
>Vancouver, British Columbia
>email: [email protected]
>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
>________________________________
>"lylla3" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Well, when I asked for comments, I didn't mean this kind... Believe
>> me, all the people I met (court, police, officers... were apologizing,
>> even the lady who gave the lectures said she used to do it when her
>> kids were small, but she knows it's not allowed now. When it happened
>> I had lived in the States for two months only. I'm from Europe) it
>> happened in a small, safe town, crime unknown. Not Toronto or New
>> York. I sure wouldn't have done it even in Salt Lake City. They all
>> told me, since they were called by someone, they had to go through the
>> procedure. Noone believed it will end up with a serious punishment.
>> But the law is law, and I got the possibly mildest penalty.
>> I need an advice, what to do next. There was another topic with a "hit
>> and run" about this criminal record stuff. Why didn't you attack that
>> guy? You don't know my exact circumstances.
>> Mr. Miller, or someone experienced in immigration, please, give me a
>> useful advice.
>> Thanks
>> Lilah
>Subject: Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
>From: "Andrew Miller" [email protected]
>Date: 6/15/03 3:00 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>Contact me directly please.
>--
>../..
>Andrew Miller
>Immigration Consultant
>Vancouver, British Columbia
>email: [email protected]
>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
>________________________________
>"lylla3" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Well, when I asked for comments, I didn't mean this kind... Believe
>> me, all the people I met (court, police, officers... were apologizing,
>> even the lady who gave the lectures said she used to do it when her
>> kids were small, but she knows it's not allowed now. When it happened
>> I had lived in the States for two months only. I'm from Europe) it
>> happened in a small, safe town, crime unknown. Not Toronto or New
>> York. I sure wouldn't have done it even in Salt Lake City. They all
>> told me, since they were called by someone, they had to go through the
>> procedure. Noone believed it will end up with a serious punishment.
>> But the law is law, and I got the possibly mildest penalty.
>> I need an advice, what to do next. There was another topic with a "hit
>> and run" about this criminal record stuff. Why didn't you attack that
>> guy? You don't know my exact circumstances.
>> Mr. Miller, or someone experienced in immigration, please, give me a
>> useful advice.
>> Thanks
>> Lilah
Jun 15th 2003, 2:10 pm
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
MadRedHatter wrote:
>
> "Diablo ²°°²" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Err, excuse me - This person is not asking to be judged, she is asking for
> > advice. She is aware of her past and her judgement was heard at court, she
> > has had her punishment, she does not need it to be reinforced by a forum
> she
> > has turned to for support/advice.
> >
> > Nik.
> > (UK Police Officer)
> >
> But don't you find it disturbing that she doesn't take it very seriously?
In many jurisdictions in the US and Canada, such an incident is NOT
dealt with by the courts at all, but by Children's Aid / Social workers,
and results in no criminal record of any kind. It is the heavy
handedness of this action which I find disturbing.
>
> "Diablo ²°°²" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Err, excuse me - This person is not asking to be judged, she is asking for
> > advice. She is aware of her past and her judgement was heard at court, she
> > has had her punishment, she does not need it to be reinforced by a forum
> she
> > has turned to for support/advice.
> >
> > Nik.
> > (UK Police Officer)
> >
> But don't you find it disturbing that she doesn't take it very seriously?
In many jurisdictions in the US and Canada, such an incident is NOT
dealt with by the courts at all, but by Children's Aid / Social workers,
and results in no criminal record of any kind. It is the heavy
handedness of this action which I find disturbing.
Jun 15th 2003, 11:46 pm
#14
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
[email protected] (NorthernLigths25) wrote in message news:...
> Why not discuss it in this newsgroup.
Maybe because there are a bunch of jerks here who would slander him
for anything (no matter how useful) he said?
> Why not discuss it in this newsgroup.
Maybe because there are a bunch of jerks here who would slander him
for anything (no matter how useful) he said?
Jun 16th 2003, 12:29 am
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
>Subject: Re: criminal record - Mr. Miller, please
>From: [email protected] (Jonathan Makepeace)
>Date: 6/15/03 8:46 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>[email protected] (NorthernLigths25) wrote in message
>news:...
>> Why not discuss it in this newsgroup.
>Maybe because there are a bunch of jerks here who would slander him
>for anything (no matter how useful) he said?
>From: [email protected] (Jonathan Makepeace)
>Date: 6/15/03 8:46 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>[email protected] (NorthernLigths25) wrote in message
>news:...
>> Why not discuss it in this newsgroup.
>Maybe because there are a bunch of jerks here who would slander him
>for anything (no matter how useful) he said?