Qwert

Dear experts and others,

Quick question here: if I (Canadian) apply to sponsor my gf as a conjugal
partner, and the officer finds we don't meet the requirements for having a
conjugal relationship for the past year, at what point is our application
rejected? Will my application to sponsor be rejected because our
relationship is deemed not family-class (i.e. costing me $75)? Or will her
application to immigrate start to get processed before we're rejected
(i.e. costing us a further $475)?

Another way of putting the same question: if my application to sponsor her
makes it through, does that mean that we've passed the conjugal hurdle and
the rest depends on *her* eligibility (that is, presumably, her lack of
police record etc.)? Or is it possible that the officer could determine
that *I* met the requirements to sponsor a conjugal partner, thus sending
on her application, but then her application to immigrate was still denied
because the officer determined *she* didn't meet conjugal requirements?

Thanks!

Andrew Miller

Application to be approved as a sponsor has nothing to do with meeting the
definition of conjugal partners - this part is assessed during PR
application process. So, you'll have to fork out entire $550 anyway and wait
quite few months after being approved as a sponsor to find out, sorry.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
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"qwert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Dear experts and others,
    > Quick question here: if I (Canadian) apply to sponsor my gf as a conjugal
    > partner, and the officer finds we don't meet the requirements for having a
    > conjugal relationship for the past year, at what point is our application
    > rejected? Will my application to sponsor be rejected because our
    > relationship is deemed not family-class (i.e. costing me $75)? Or will her
    > application to immigrate start to get processed before we're rejected
    > (i.e. costing us a further $475)?
    > Another way of putting the same question: if my application to sponsor her
    > makes it through, does that mean that we've passed the conjugal hurdle and
    > the rest depends on *her* eligibility (that is, presumably, her lack of
    > police record etc.)? Or is it possible that the officer could determine
    > that *I* met the requirements to sponsor a conjugal partner, thus sending
    > on her application, but then her application to immigrate was still denied
    > because the officer determined *she* didn't meet conjugal requirements?
    > Thanks!

Jim Humphries

Well if you want to play games and expose your girlfriend to the
embarassment then go ahead and find out for yourself.
--
Jim Humphries, former visa officer
"qwert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Dear experts and others,
    > Quick question here: if I (Canadian) apply to sponsor my gf as a conjugal
    > partner, and the officer finds we don't meet the requirements for having a
    > conjugal relationship for the past year, at what point is our application
    > rejected? Will my application to sponsor be rejected because our
    > relationship is deemed not family-class (i.e. costing me $75)? Or will her
    > application to immigrate start to get processed before we're rejected
    > (i.e. costing us a further $475)?
    > Another way of putting the same question: if my application to sponsor her
    > makes it through, does that mean that we've passed the conjugal hurdle and
    > the rest depends on *her* eligibility (that is, presumably, her lack of
    > police record etc.)? Or is it possible that the officer could determine
    > that *I* met the requirements to sponsor a conjugal partner, thus sending
    > on her application, but then her application to immigrate was still denied
    > because the officer determined *she* didn't meet conjugal requirements?
    > Thanks!

Qwert

Jim Humphries <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Well if you want to play games and expose your girlfriend to the
    > embarassment then go ahead and find out for yourself.

Dear Jim,

not sure why you think I'm playing games -- something in my email (quoted
below) clearly irked you. *We* believe we've had a conjugal relationship
for a year, but who knows what the officer will think, given what I've
heard about different officers having different standards. When you
haven't got much money, $475 (and the extra time of the PR application) is
a big risk. In our case we've been living together since October now, so
we have the alternative of waiting a few more months until we've been
living together for a year, at which point we can apply as common-law,
probably with a better shot at being accepted. And I guess that's what we
should do, given Mr. Miller's response. But here's another question which
perhaps you could help us with:

can we apply a little *before* reaching a year lived together, so that by
the time the PR application is being processed it will have been a year,
and we meet the common-law requirement?

I hope this question doesn't annoy you too. Thanks and best wishes --qwert

    > --
    > Jim Humphries, former visa officer
    > "qwert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Dear experts and others,
    >> Quick question here: if I (Canadian) apply to sponsor my gf as a conjugal
    >> partner, and the officer finds we don't meet the requirements for having a
    >> conjugal relationship for the past year, at what point is our application
    >> rejected? Will my application to sponsor be rejected because our
    >> relationship is deemed not family-class (i.e. costing me $75)? Or will her
    >> application to immigrate start to get processed before we're rejected
    >> (i.e. costing us a further $475)?
    >> Another way of putting the same question: if my application to sponsor her
    >> makes it through, does that mean that we've passed the conjugal hurdle and
    >> the rest depends on *her* eligibility (that is, presumably, her lack of
    >> police record etc.)? Or is it possible that the officer could determine
    >> that *I* met the requirements to sponsor a conjugal partner, thus sending
    >> on her application, but then her application to immigrate was still denied
    >> because the officer determined *she* didn't meet conjugal requirements?
    >> Thanks!

Qwert

Andrew Miller <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Application to be approved as a sponsor has nothing to do with meeting the
    > definition of conjugal partners - this part is assessed during PR
    > application process. So, you'll have to fork out entire $550 anyway and wait
    > quite few months after being approved as a sponsor to find out, sorry.

Thanks for the clarification. The guide to sponsoring gives the impression
that my application to sponsor will be rejected if I am attempting to
sponsor someone who is not family-class--I thought that might mean that
they would determine, during the sponsorship evaluation itself, whether or
not my girlfriend is family-class, which necessarily involves them
determining whether or not she's my conjugal partner according to their
definition.

I asked another question of Jim Humphries in this thread and would
be very grateful for any insight you have on that matter too.

Regards -qwert

Jim Humphries

Conjugal relationships are not a clear issue and its best to marry or wait
until you qualify for common-law spouse provision.
--
Jim Humphries, former visa officer
"qwert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Jim Humphries <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Well if you want to play games and expose your girlfriend to the
    > > embarassment then go ahead and find out for yourself.
    > Dear Jim,
    > not sure why you think I'm playing games -- something in my email (quoted
    > below) clearly irked you. *We* believe we've had a conjugal relationship
    > for a year, but who knows what the officer will think, given what I've
    > heard about different officers having different standards. When you
    > haven't got much money, $475 (and the extra time of the PR application) is
    > a big risk. In our case we've been living together since October now, so
    > we have the alternative of waiting a few more months until we've been
    > living together for a year, at which point we can apply as common-law,
    > probably with a better shot at being accepted. And I guess that's what we
    > should do, given Mr. Miller's response. But here's another question which
    > perhaps you could help us with:
    > can we apply a little *before* reaching a year lived together, so that by
    > the time the PR application is being processed it will have been a year,
    > and we meet the common-law requirement?
    > I hope this question doesn't annoy you too. Thanks and best wishes --qwert
    > > --
    > > Jim Humphries, former visa officer
    > > "qwert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >> Dear experts and others,
    > >>
    > >> Quick question here: if I (Canadian) apply to sponsor my gf as a
conjugal
    > >> partner, and the officer finds we don't meet the requirements for
having a
    > >> conjugal relationship for the past year, at what point is our
application
    > >> rejected? Will my application to sponsor be rejected because our
    > >> relationship is deemed not family-class (i.e. costing me $75)? Or will
her
    > >> application to immigrate start to get processed before we're rejected
    > >> (i.e. costing us a further $475)?
    > >>
    > >> Another way of putting the same question: if my application to sponsor
her
    > >> makes it through, does that mean that we've passed the conjugal hurdle
and
    > >> the rest depends on *her* eligibility (that is, presumably, her lack of
    > >> police record etc.)? Or is it possible that the officer could determine
    > >> that *I* met the requirements to sponsor a conjugal partner, thus
sending
    > >> on her application, but then her application to immigrate was still
denied
    > >> because the officer determined *she* didn't meet conjugal requirements?
    > >>
    > >> Thanks!
    > >>
    > >>

Andrew Miller

No, you cannot apply as common-law partners before meeting the definition of
such.

I strongly suggest you to read Immigration Manual - chapter OP02, especially
sections 5.33, 5.34, 5.43, 5.44 and 13.3. You can download chapter OP02
here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/manuals-guides/...h/op/op02e.pdf

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"qwert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Andrew Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Application to be approved as a sponsor has nothing to do with meeting
the
    > > definition of conjugal partners - this part is assessed during PR
    > > application process. So, you'll have to fork out entire $550 anyway and
wait
    > > quite few months after being approved as a sponsor to find out, sorry.
    > Thanks for the clarification. The guide to sponsoring gives the impression
    > that my application to sponsor will be rejected if I am attempting to
    > sponsor someone who is not family-class--I thought that might mean that
    > they would determine, during the sponsorship evaluation itself, whether or
    > not my girlfriend is family-class, which necessarily involves them
    > determining whether or not she's my conjugal partner according to their
    > definition.
    > I asked another question of Jim Humphries in this thread and would
    > be very grateful for any insight you have on that matter too.
    > Regards -qwert