Ethan More

Hello Folks:

Can you pls give me your view about living in US or Canada, with a family (three
kids), as new immigrants.

The perspective, I would like to have is your view is about: family quality of life;
kids education; professional growth; health; stress level and financial position.

I appreciate your response

Ethan

Clive Rodrigues

Hi Ethan:

My two cents for your challenging question.

IMHO,

pro's about Canada:

- you will have status of permanent resident (vs work permit in US, in US this
may take about 5 years), this may give you some "peace of mind" at times of
economy crisis;
- educating kids is much cheaper than US (due to taxes paid);
- health;
- more sense of community;

Con's about Canada:

- less dynamic economy compared to the US;
- salary is lower than US;
- to start working you may fall into the trap of " canadian work exprience".
- weather is more severe.

You may weight your oppinion with other friends from this forum.

Clive

[email protected] (Ethan More)
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Mike Plowman

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Tell that to Buffalo!

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Andy

Due to immigration rules changes in Canada it might be impossible to come to
Canada these days. I have a general question Is it now harder to immigrate to
Canada than to US?

Mike Plowman <[email protected]>
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[usenetquote2]> >Hi Ethan:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >My two cents for your challenging question.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >IMHO,[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >pro's about Canada:[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >- you will have status of permanent resident (vs work permit in US, in US this may[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > take about 5 years), this may give you some "peace of mind" at times of economy[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > crisis;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- educating kids is much cheaper than US (due to taxes paid);[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- health;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- more sense of community;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >Con's about Canada:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- less dynamic economy compared to the US;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- salary is lower than US;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- to start working you may fall into the trap of " canadian work exprience".[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- weather is more severe.[/usenetquote2]
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Stuart

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Depends on what you mean by harder ...

Given that employment based immigration to the USA requires a job offer that will
survive the period to get a Green Card, and it requires that no Americans are
available and qualified to do that job, and that there is virtually no "independent
immigration", immigration to the USA is still very difficult.

It still takes upwards of 2-4 years, depending on various factors like location, to
get to the US, where to get to Canada is still much quicker.

Given the high US unemployment rate of 5.8% and increasing, that will make Labour
Certifications harder. Given all the layoffs, it is hard for an employer to agree to
invest the effort into getting an employee a green card for a job that may not exist
6 months from now, let alone 3 years down the road!

For the well qualified, Canada still is easier. For the marginally qualified, it
becomes more questionable. What is unclear at this stage with the 80 point system
with visa officer discretion is exactly what level of discretion will be used.

Overall, probably by the time discretion is applied Canada will still be faster and
much easier for the well qualified. For the less qualified, Canada will still
probably be easier. The new law will certainly eliminate far more questionably
qualified.

Inon

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What do you mean by "Canadian work Experience"? US work exp won't count?

Please clarify. ThanX.

Berto Volpentesta

While I may be biased, I cannot think of a better place to raise a = family than in
Canada. Canada has not been at or near the top of the = scale (best place in the
world to live) for the last decade for no = reason.

Canadians pay more tax yes, but the levels of service for that is higher = (though
priorities are being adjusted constantly)

Canadians earn less yes, but then the cost of living is also lower.

Canadians have access to all high quality health care, education and a = clean and
safe environment.

Take a look at www.canada.gc.ca and www.canada.com for some idea of the = Canadian
way of life. --=20 Good luck,

Berto Volpentesta, B.A. (Spec. Hons.), B.Ed. Member, OPIC Director, OPIC and
Education Committee Chairman

Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving people around the world since 1991

www.svcanada.com

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Clive Rodrigues

[email protected] (inon)
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[usenetquote2]> >- salary is lower than US;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- to start working you may fall into the trap of " canadian work exprience".[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >- weather is more severe.[/usenetquote2]
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I have heard that it means that you have *any* sort of work experience in Canada,
not necessary if your own field. I am not sure if this applies for people coming
from the US.

Peter Wu

[email protected] (Andy)
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At least, they are hard to the same extent if the new Act is implemented?

Rudy Amid

Unless your profession specifically require knowledge of Canadian material (ie.
accounting, law, etc.) then the American work experience will count.

"Clive Rodrigues" <[email protected]>
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[usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > >- less dynamic economy compared to the US;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > >- salary is lower than US;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > >- to start working you may fall into the trap of " canadian work exprience".[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > >- weather is more severe.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > What do you mean by "Canadian work Experience"? US work exp won't count?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Please clarify. ThanX.[/usenetquote2]
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Stuart

Unfortunately, there is a tendency amongst employers to discount experience earned
outside Canada. Not quite sure why.

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[usenetquote2]>> > >- to start working you may fall into the trap of " canadian work exprience". -[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > > weather is more severe.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> > What do you mean by "Canadian work Experience"? US work exp won't count?[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> > Please clarify. ThanX.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> I have heard that it means that you have *any* sort of work experience in Canada,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> not necessary if your own field. I am not sure if this applies for people coming[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> from the US.[/usenetquote2]
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Ethan More

Stuart <[email protected]>
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[usenetquote2]> >> > >- salary is lower than US;[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >- to start working you may fall into the trap of " canadian work exprience".[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > > - weather is more severe.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> > What do you mean by "Canadian work Experience"? US work exp won't count?[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> > Please clarify. ThanX.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> I have heard that it means that you have *any* sort of work experience in[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Canada, not necessary if your own field. I am not sure if this applies for[/usenetquote2]
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All:

Has anyone moved from US to Canada ? What's your view ?

Tkx

Inon

There are a lot of people moving to Canada after the dotcom bubble bursted.

Any specific thoughts/views/feedback, if US experience will be discounted/not
counted ???

Inon

BTW, I am talking about IT field

Inon

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May be Stuart can shed some light on this. Thanks.