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Old Apr 22nd 2015, 12:04 am
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Hi everyone , what is the current status of a child born in Canada by visiting parents who paid all it takes to deliver the baby by themselves ??I need a clarification please
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Not sure exactly what you're asking but children born in Canada automatically acquire Canadian citizenship at birth regardless of the status of their parents unless their parents hold diplomatic status.
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Thanks for the response!!
Will he be entitled to having health card and other benefits?
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Originally Posted by Kabiru
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Will he be entitled to having health card and other benefits?
No idea to be honest. Probably best to wait for one of the mods to come along and move this thread to the Canada subforum. You should get some better information there.
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Thanks again ! Will be waiting
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Originally Posted by Kabiru
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I have moved this to the Canadian Immi forum for you.

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Originally Posted by Kabiru
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Will he be entitled to having health card and other benefits?
As a Canadian citizen, yes. However, I assume he'll be leaving Canada if the parents are just visitors? In which case there is usually a waiting period for health benefits upon returning to Canada. Health benefits are administered by each province. For example, there is a 3 month waiting period for health benefits to kick in after taking up residence in Ontario.
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As a Canadian citizen, yes. However, I assume he'll be leaving Canada if the parents are just visitors? In which case there is usually a waiting period for health benefits upon returning to Canada. Health benefits are administered by each province. For example, there is a 3 month waiting period for health benefits to kick in after taking up residence in Ontario.
1. Not correct. Children born in Canada are automatically covered by the provincial health plans from Day 1.
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1. Not correct. Children born in Canada are automatically covered by the provincial health plans from Day 1.
Yes, if the child stays in Canada - that's why I said "As a Canadian citizen, yes".

What I was talking about after that is if the parents (who are visitors) leave Canada causing the child to abandon residence in Canada. If the child later returns to Canada, there will usually be a waiting period before the child is eligible for health benefits (e.g. 3 months in Ontario; rules may differ in other provinces).

My daughter went through this. She was born in Ontario but later we moved to the UK and then the US. She returned to Ontario years later to attend college but had to wait 3 months to be eligible for OHIP.

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IMO it's time Canada abandoned this practice. Children born in Canada to persons with no residential status should not receive Citizenship. We are not that desperate to increase our population.
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IMO it's time Canada abandoned this practice. Children born in Canada to persons with no residential status should not receive Citizenship. We are not that desperate to increase our population.
Totally with you on this.
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Originally Posted by plasticcanuck
IMO it's time Canada abandoned this practice. Children born in Canada to persons with no residential status should not receive Citizenship. We are not that desperate to increase our population.
Personally I'm not sure how I feel about this one. My wife and I were PRs when our first child was born in Canada. We were Canadian citizens when the 2nd was born there. So we weren't 'birth tourists'.

We're talking about a tiny percentage of births in Canada - estimates are less than 0.1% or a few hundred out of about 400,000. Since the parents (as visitors) have no right of abode in Canada, these kids are typically taken out of the country by their parents anyway. Who knows how many even return later in life? The cost of implementing what you propose (new citizenship verification procedures beyond checking for a regular provincial birth cert) is high and for what benefit? Other countries have done it and it would likely involve collecting the immigration status of the parents. But for a couple of hundred births a year, is it really worth it? You'll hear arguments on both sides of that.

Here are a couple of interesting articles on this topic:

https://bccla.org/2014/08/born-equal...is-who-we-are/

Tory crackdown on ‘birth tourists’ will eliminate Canadian passport babies | National Post

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Originally Posted by MarylandNed
Personally I'm not sure how I feel about this one. My wife and I were PRs when our first child was born in Canada. We were Canadian citizens when the 2nd was born there. So we weren't 'birth tourists'.

We're talking about a tiny percentage of births in Canada - estimates are less than 0.1% or a few hundred out of about 400,000. Since the parents (as visitors) have no right of abode in Canada, these kids are typically taken out of the country by their parents anyway. Who knows how many even return later in life? The cost of implementing what you propose (new citizenship verification procedures beyond checking for a regular provincial birth cert) is high and for what benefit? Others countries have done it and it would likely involve collecting the immigration status of the parents. But for a couple of hundred births a year, is it really worth it? You'll hear arguments on both sides of that.

Here are a couple of interesting articles on this topic:

https://bccla.org/2014/08/born-equal...is-who-we-are/

Tory crackdown on ‘birth tourists’ will eliminate Canadian passport babies | National Post
I think if the parents - or at least one parent - has/have legal status in Canada *other* than visitor status - then the kid should be able to be a Canadian. So situations like yours, when you're in Canada as a PR or whatever, then the kid is Canadian... but not allowing children of tourists to become Canadians I think makes a bit more sense.

The stats you posted are interesting, though.
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
I think if the parents - or at least one parent - has/have legal status in Canada *other* than visitor status - then the kid should be able to be a Canadian. So situations like yours, when you're in Canada as a PR or whatever, then the kid is Canadian... but not allowing children of tourists to become Canadians I think makes a bit more sense.

The stats you posted are interesting, though.
It might make sense philosophically - although not everyone would agree with that. But does it make financial and administrative sense? What problem would Canada be trying to fix? And at what cost?
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Originally Posted by MarylandNed
It might make sense philosophically - although not everyone would agree with that. But does it make financial and administrative sense? What problem would Canada be trying to fix? And at what cost?
I really don't see any administrative/financial issues. If it is not allowed then there will be no method by which the parents can apply for the child's citizenship. Obviously they will receive a birth certificate which they would use to register the child in its home country.
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