Citizenship and number of Days
Mar 2nd 2004, 9:59 pm
#16
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
in a recent article, JAJ ([email protected]) said:
> Most people applying for citizenship want it as soon as possible, and
> no-one is going to wait 6 months just for the fun of it.
> Especially with a 12 month processing time.
But if course, if you miscalculate your eligibility, you could be
waiting a lot longer. Feel free to explain how my suggestion of waiting a
little longer to be sure of your eligibility (as opposed to some people's
suggestion of 'guesstimating' and applying as soon as you are theoretically
eligible) is a bad thing.
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> Most people applying for citizenship want it as soon as possible, and
> no-one is going to wait 6 months just for the fun of it.
> Especially with a 12 month processing time.
But if course, if you miscalculate your eligibility, you could be
waiting a lot longer. Feel free to explain how my suggestion of waiting a
little longer to be sure of your eligibility (as opposed to some people's
suggestion of 'guesstimating' and applying as soon as you are theoretically
eligible) is a bad thing.
Cheers!
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Mar 3rd 2004, 5:05 am
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
"http://www.iamnotamerican.com" <newsgroup@iam_not_american.com> wrote in
<snip>
> Since you haven't already done so, feel free to explain...in
> detail...how my suggestion of waiting a little longer past your first
> eligibility date (no matter how long you wait) to be sure that you haven't
> miscalculated anything rather than applying for citizenship at the first
> possible moment is a BAD thing.
> I predict you won't be able to do that, but hey...it'll be interesting
> to watch for. Have a great day and get off my back. You're not
> impressing anyone.
Buddy, this is what Jeremy said in reply to your suggestion to wait 6 extra
months:
>> Why should he wait 6 months after the 1095 day requirement is met?
>> A few days or weeks maybe, just to be safe that he has not
>> over-estimated the days, but 6 months seems overkill.
Then you argued back:
> Why not? You've waited 3 years...another 6 months isn't gonna kill
> ya. You don't HAVE to get your citizenship as soon as possible.
Nowhere myself or Jeremy suggested that adding couple of days to be sure is
a bad idea. But you were defending that wasting as long as 6 months is a
good idea. Now you seem to change your tone. So, which one is true? Couple
of days or couple of months (as much as 6 months)? Or, do you realize that
your original suggestion was really bad?
With your distorted facts and weak arguments you are not amusing anybody but
yourself. Feel free if you wanna have the last word. But I am not gonna feed
the troll.
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<snip>
> Since you haven't already done so, feel free to explain...in
> detail...how my suggestion of waiting a little longer past your first
> eligibility date (no matter how long you wait) to be sure that you haven't
> miscalculated anything rather than applying for citizenship at the first
> possible moment is a BAD thing.
> I predict you won't be able to do that, but hey...it'll be interesting
> to watch for. Have a great day and get off my back. You're not
> impressing anyone.
Buddy, this is what Jeremy said in reply to your suggestion to wait 6 extra
months:
>> Why should he wait 6 months after the 1095 day requirement is met?
>> A few days or weeks maybe, just to be safe that he has not
>> over-estimated the days, but 6 months seems overkill.
Then you argued back:
> Why not? You've waited 3 years...another 6 months isn't gonna kill
> ya. You don't HAVE to get your citizenship as soon as possible.
Nowhere myself or Jeremy suggested that adding couple of days to be sure is
a bad idea. But you were defending that wasting as long as 6 months is a
good idea. Now you seem to change your tone. So, which one is true? Couple
of days or couple of months (as much as 6 months)? Or, do you realize that
your original suggestion was really bad?
With your distorted facts and weak arguments you are not amusing anybody but
yourself. Feel free if you wanna have the last word. But I am not gonna feed
the troll.
--
Mar 3rd 2004, 9:58 am
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
As I think Ravi pointed out, there's a difference between a *little*
longer (just to be sure) and 6 months.
When I became an Australian citizen, I had my time worked out correctly
to the last day. No guesstimating involved. And in Australia, the
officer at your citizenship interview just swipes your visa through his
machine, and the days you've spent in Australia come straight up on the
screen. The Australian Government also makes a residence calculator
available so that people can check their eligibility before they apply -
it's at http://www.citizenship.gov.au
Jeremy
http://www.iamnotamerican.com wrote:
> in a recent article, JAJ ([email protected]) said:
>
>
>>Most people applying for citizenship want it as soon as possible, and
>>no-one is going to wait 6 months just for the fun of it.
>>Especially with a 12 month processing time.
>
>
> But if course, if you miscalculate your eligibility, you could be
> waiting a lot longer. Feel free to explain how my suggestion of waiting a
> little longer to be sure of your eligibility (as opposed to some people's
> suggestion of 'guesstimating' and applying as soon as you are theoretically
> eligible) is a bad thing.
>
> Cheers!
>
--
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
longer (just to be sure) and 6 months.
When I became an Australian citizen, I had my time worked out correctly
to the last day. No guesstimating involved. And in Australia, the
officer at your citizenship interview just swipes your visa through his
machine, and the days you've spent in Australia come straight up on the
screen. The Australian Government also makes a residence calculator
available so that people can check their eligibility before they apply -
it's at http://www.citizenship.gov.au
Jeremy
http://www.iamnotamerican.com wrote:
> in a recent article, JAJ ([email protected]) said:
>
>
>>Most people applying for citizenship want it as soon as possible, and
>>no-one is going to wait 6 months just for the fun of it.
>>Especially with a 12 month processing time.
>
>
> But if course, if you miscalculate your eligibility, you could be
> waiting a lot longer. Feel free to explain how my suggestion of waiting a
> little longer to be sure of your eligibility (as opposed to some people's
> suggestion of 'guesstimating' and applying as soon as you are theoretically
> eligible) is a bad thing.
>
> Cheers!
>
--
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Mar 3rd 2004, 3:50 pm
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
in a recent article, JAJ ([email protected]) said:
> As I think Ravi pointed out, there's a difference between a *little*
> longer (just to be sure) and 6 months.
That's kind of obvious, don't you think?
> When I became an Australian citizen, I had my time worked out correctly
> to the last day. No guesstimating involved.
That's great for you. You obviously kept good track of your absences,
as did Australia, because they have exit controls. Ravi was the one who
suggessted guesstimating, which I think is a pretty bad idea personally,
because if you're close, a bad guesstimate could make the difference between
delays and smooth sailing.
> The Australian Government also makes a residence calculator
> available so that people can check their eligibility before they apply -
> it's at http://www.citizenship.gov.au
A wonderful tool here, but once again, if people don't know some of
their smaller absences (such as a weekend trip to Seattle a couple of times
a year), they're still prone to making mistakes.
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> As I think Ravi pointed out, there's a difference between a *little*
> longer (just to be sure) and 6 months.
That's kind of obvious, don't you think?
> When I became an Australian citizen, I had my time worked out correctly
> to the last day. No guesstimating involved.
That's great for you. You obviously kept good track of your absences,
as did Australia, because they have exit controls. Ravi was the one who
suggessted guesstimating, which I think is a pretty bad idea personally,
because if you're close, a bad guesstimate could make the difference between
delays and smooth sailing.
> The Australian Government also makes a residence calculator
> available so that people can check their eligibility before they apply -
> it's at http://www.citizenship.gov.au
A wonderful tool here, but once again, if people don't know some of
their smaller absences (such as a weekend trip to Seattle a couple of times
a year), they're still prone to making mistakes.
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Mar 3rd 2004, 4:22 pm
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
in a recent article, Ravi ([email protected]) said:
>> Why not? You've waited 3 years...another 6 months isn't gonna kill
>> ya. You don't HAVE to get your citizenship as soon as possible.
And I still stand behind that. Focusing on the 6 months timeframe for a
second...since you're so desperate to do that anyway....how IS waiting for 6
months going to harm you if you don't NEED your citizenship?
> Nowhere myself or Jeremy suggested that adding couple of days to be sure is
> a bad idea.
Actually, your original responses were going on about how people should
guesstimate and apply straight away. After all, ALL of your friends did
according to you.
> But you were defending that wasting as long as 6 months is a
> good idea. Now you seem to change your tone. So, which one is true? Couple
> of days or couple of months (as much as 6 months)? Or, do you realize that
> your original suggestion was really bad?
Not at all. I stand behind my suggestion. Waiting 6 months to apply
for citizenship, especially when you're taking a number of short trips
(which people in the border regions are want to do) is wise. Feel free to
detail why it would not be. As I said in my second post, since you are one
of those who jump on one specific point (even if it's a general example) and
stick to it like a bulldog, '6 months' was a good, general time frame and
certainly better than waiting one week. Indeed, any waiting any period of
time is better than making a mistake while 'guesstimating', which can result
in delays longer than would have been experienced had the person waited in
the first case.
What would you prefer? Waiting a little longer to be sure or
guesstimating and making an error?
> With your distorted facts and weak arguments you are not amusing anybody but
> yourself.
Hmm...this coming from the guy who used a completely irrelevant 'bike'
analogy and then twisted my response to that analogy to refer to two types
of citizenship (away, obviously, from the bike analogy)? If anyone distorts
the facts, sir...or in your case, even insulting those who make mistakes. I
quote:
> If you are stupid enough to miscalculate your
> absence from Canada by that margin, then yeah you should pay for it.
And
> If you've waited 6 months extra just to be sure that you had enough days in
> Canada then that speaks of your intelligence.
Looks like you were the one with the weak arguments. Ultimately though,
from what I understand, you haven't even IMMIGRATED to Canada yet. When
you've gone through the immigration and citizenship process completely, THEN
you can start talking about it like you've had some experience. Until then,
while you're certainly welcome to use your experiences SO FAR or your
'friend of a friend of a friend' anecdotes, they certainly do not beat
actual experience.
Ultimately, you have overreacted to my comments in a big way. You
obviously have a chip on your shoulder about me for some reason and you
really should do something about it. It's becoming tiresome. My post - no
matter what time frame was used - was merely suggesting that people should
wait a little longer if they're not sure about their days in Canada.
Nowhere did I suggest that people should not (or could not) apply ASAP if
they wanted to, or NEEDED their citizenship for some reason or another.
Nowhere did I suggest that 6 months be used as a hard and fast rule for
waiting. I just used it as a general use timeframe. I could have just as
easily said '3 months' or '2 months', but since '6 months' is used quite
often in my business for contract time frames, that was the first one that
came into my mind.
And I still think that 6 months is nothing when you've waited 3+ years
already (and, just to beat you off at the pass, even though I've already
said it, I will reiterate that if you need your citizenship immediately for
some reason, you don't HAVE to wait 6 months if you don't want to).
Have a great day.
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>> Why not? You've waited 3 years...another 6 months isn't gonna kill
>> ya. You don't HAVE to get your citizenship as soon as possible.
And I still stand behind that. Focusing on the 6 months timeframe for a
second...since you're so desperate to do that anyway....how IS waiting for 6
months going to harm you if you don't NEED your citizenship?
> Nowhere myself or Jeremy suggested that adding couple of days to be sure is
> a bad idea.
Actually, your original responses were going on about how people should
guesstimate and apply straight away. After all, ALL of your friends did
according to you.
> But you were defending that wasting as long as 6 months is a
> good idea. Now you seem to change your tone. So, which one is true? Couple
> of days or couple of months (as much as 6 months)? Or, do you realize that
> your original suggestion was really bad?
Not at all. I stand behind my suggestion. Waiting 6 months to apply
for citizenship, especially when you're taking a number of short trips
(which people in the border regions are want to do) is wise. Feel free to
detail why it would not be. As I said in my second post, since you are one
of those who jump on one specific point (even if it's a general example) and
stick to it like a bulldog, '6 months' was a good, general time frame and
certainly better than waiting one week. Indeed, any waiting any period of
time is better than making a mistake while 'guesstimating', which can result
in delays longer than would have been experienced had the person waited in
the first case.
What would you prefer? Waiting a little longer to be sure or
guesstimating and making an error?
> With your distorted facts and weak arguments you are not amusing anybody but
> yourself.
Hmm...this coming from the guy who used a completely irrelevant 'bike'
analogy and then twisted my response to that analogy to refer to two types
of citizenship (away, obviously, from the bike analogy)? If anyone distorts
the facts, sir...or in your case, even insulting those who make mistakes. I
quote:
> If you are stupid enough to miscalculate your
> absence from Canada by that margin, then yeah you should pay for it.
And
> If you've waited 6 months extra just to be sure that you had enough days in
> Canada then that speaks of your intelligence.
Looks like you were the one with the weak arguments. Ultimately though,
from what I understand, you haven't even IMMIGRATED to Canada yet. When
you've gone through the immigration and citizenship process completely, THEN
you can start talking about it like you've had some experience. Until then,
while you're certainly welcome to use your experiences SO FAR or your
'friend of a friend of a friend' anecdotes, they certainly do not beat
actual experience.
Ultimately, you have overreacted to my comments in a big way. You
obviously have a chip on your shoulder about me for some reason and you
really should do something about it. It's becoming tiresome. My post - no
matter what time frame was used - was merely suggesting that people should
wait a little longer if they're not sure about their days in Canada.
Nowhere did I suggest that people should not (or could not) apply ASAP if
they wanted to, or NEEDED their citizenship for some reason or another.
Nowhere did I suggest that 6 months be used as a hard and fast rule for
waiting. I just used it as a general use timeframe. I could have just as
easily said '3 months' or '2 months', but since '6 months' is used quite
often in my business for contract time frames, that was the first one that
came into my mind.
And I still think that 6 months is nothing when you've waited 3+ years
already (and, just to beat you off at the pass, even though I've already
said it, I will reiterate that if you need your citizenship immediately for
some reason, you don't HAVE to wait 6 months if you don't want to).
Have a great day.
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Mar 3rd 2004, 6:06 pm
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
Ravi and Jeremy, everyone sees clearly that your take is sound; there is no point to argue with someone who just enjoys arguing nonsense with other people on the Net and constantly is either repeating what other people just said, argues, or writes nonsense.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jaj
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jaj
Mar 4th 2004, 12:41 pm
#22
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
Greetings I_Am_Not_American, Ravi and everyone,
IMO, you guys should agree to disagree and leave it at that.
I_am_not_american clearly prefers to be on the safe[r] side and wait a few
extra months (even 6) before applying for citizenship.
Ravi clearly doesn't want to wait more than he has to.
One factor may be the original passport that each of you is on.
Ravi may want a Canadian passport to facilitate travel to other parts of the
world without requiring visas.
I_am_not_american may already have a US, Australian or European passport and
thus didn't have any immediate need for a Canadian passport.
However, whichever way you look at it, I think it is better to end this
thread and just agree to disagree.
My $0.02
IMO, you guys should agree to disagree and leave it at that.
I_am_not_american clearly prefers to be on the safe[r] side and wait a few
extra months (even 6) before applying for citizenship.
Ravi clearly doesn't want to wait more than he has to.
One factor may be the original passport that each of you is on.
Ravi may want a Canadian passport to facilitate travel to other parts of the
world without requiring visas.
I_am_not_american may already have a US, Australian or European passport and
thus didn't have any immediate need for a Canadian passport.
However, whichever way you look at it, I think it is better to end this
thread and just agree to disagree.
My $0.02
Mar 4th 2004, 5:20 pm
#23
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
Webcrawler and Iamnotamerican.com should be on the "safe" or "safer" side in relation to this post, also, and respond in six months or.... six years... Just to be on the safe side... or the safer side... 
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Mar 4th 2004, 11:48 pm
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If you wish to beat this thread to death, sure be my guest.
I was merely trying to end it politely.
As usual, you had to step in with your sarcasm.
I don't think either of them is going to change their opinion about this
matter.
If you still wanna try convincing either of them, then you obviously have
more time than I do.
"Cicero" <member18614@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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> Webcrawler and Iamnotamerican.com should be on the "safe" or "safer"
> side in relation to this post, also, and respond in six months
> or.... six years... Just to be on the safe side... or the safer
> side...))))
> --
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I was merely trying to end it politely.
As usual, you had to step in with your sarcasm.
I don't think either of them is going to change their opinion about this
matter.
If you still wanna try convincing either of them, then you obviously have
more time than I do.
"Cicero" <member18614@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Webcrawler and Iamnotamerican.com should be on the "safe" or "safer"
> side in relation to this post, also, and respond in six months
> or.... six years... Just to be on the safe side... or the safer
> side...
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Mar 5th 2004, 7:11 am
#25
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Re: Citizenship and number of Days
Certainly, things can be looked from different perspectives; however, when one perspective is so ridiculous, arrogant and stupid, in all relevant aspects, you can't compare - or equate - those two perspectives and you can just laugh at people, like you, that try to give some wrong, mediocre, unsolicited and misplaced wrap-up.
Next time, when you qualify to do something that you wanted for long time, or must do something - follow this genius Mr. iamnotamerican.com and wait for six months, hopefully things could get clearer for you ... or maybe not...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WebCrawler
Next time, when you qualify to do something that you wanted for long time, or must do something - follow this genius Mr. iamnotamerican.com and wait for six months, hopefully things could get clearer for you ... or maybe not...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WebCrawler
