CIC notification moral dilemma
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CIC notification moral dilemma
Hi,
This is a bit odd, hence going to a random forum of internet strangers who all have a passing interest in the topic
This afternoon on a facebook IEC group, someone asked if 9 year old convictions made them ineligible for a visa. They were told it depended on the conviction. They asked if CIC do background checks, and were told that's what the police certificates are for. They asked 'what if these were doctored?'. They were told document fraud is a serious crime that would make anyone doing it permanently ineligible. Minutes later, the thread was deleted, I didn't get a screenshot of anything but the opening question.
Same person has now asked for advice on uploading their CAL, but says they have it sorted.
Do I have reasonable grounds to suspect they might try to defraud CIC? Is there any obligation to inform CIC? Without evidence, would this risk being libel? If they are lying and I say nothing, does that make me accessory?
Would love input from some of the very rational and seasoned heads here...
This is a bit odd, hence going to a random forum of internet strangers who all have a passing interest in the topic
This afternoon on a facebook IEC group, someone asked if 9 year old convictions made them ineligible for a visa. They were told it depended on the conviction. They asked if CIC do background checks, and were told that's what the police certificates are for. They asked 'what if these were doctored?'. They were told document fraud is a serious crime that would make anyone doing it permanently ineligible. Minutes later, the thread was deleted, I didn't get a screenshot of anything but the opening question.
Same person has now asked for advice on uploading their CAL, but says they have it sorted.
Do I have reasonable grounds to suspect they might try to defraud CIC? Is there any obligation to inform CIC? Without evidence, would this risk being libel? If they are lying and I say nothing, does that make me accessory?
Would love input from some of the very rational and seasoned heads here...
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Re: CIC notification moral dilemma
Well now you've put us in the lurch too
I wouldn't say there is any obligation to... It can't be libel as the statement isn't being published. You can't be an accessory as you aren't assisting them.
Sounds dodgy as fook, though haha. Maybe Former Lancastrian can tell us if you do CIC a favour whether you get a little mark on your file and express entry the next time
I wouldn't say there is any obligation to... It can't be libel as the statement isn't being published. You can't be an accessory as you aren't assisting them.
Sounds dodgy as fook, though haha. Maybe Former Lancastrian can tell us if you do CIC a favour whether you get a little mark on your file and express entry the next time
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Re: CIC notification moral dilemma
Hi,
This is a bit odd, hence going to a random forum of internet strangers who all have a passing interest in the topic
This afternoon on a facebook IEC group, someone asked if 9 year old convictions made them ineligible for a visa. They were told it depended on the conviction. They asked if CIC do background checks, and were told that's what the police certificates are for. They asked 'what if these were doctored?'. They were told document fraud is a serious crime that would make anyone doing it permanently ineligible. Minutes later, the thread was deleted, I didn't get a screenshot of anything but the opening question.
Same person has now asked for advice on uploading their CAL, but says they have it sorted.
Do I have reasonable grounds to suspect they might try to defraud CIC? Is there any obligation to inform CIC? Without evidence, would this risk being libel? If they are lying and I say nothing, does that make me accessory?
Would love input from some of the very rational and seasoned heads here...
This is a bit odd, hence going to a random forum of internet strangers who all have a passing interest in the topic
This afternoon on a facebook IEC group, someone asked if 9 year old convictions made them ineligible for a visa. They were told it depended on the conviction. They asked if CIC do background checks, and were told that's what the police certificates are for. They asked 'what if these were doctored?'. They were told document fraud is a serious crime that would make anyone doing it permanently ineligible. Minutes later, the thread was deleted, I didn't get a screenshot of anything but the opening question.
Same person has now asked for advice on uploading their CAL, but says they have it sorted.
Do I have reasonable grounds to suspect they might try to defraud CIC? Is there any obligation to inform CIC? Without evidence, would this risk being libel? If they are lying and I say nothing, does that make me accessory?
Would love input from some of the very rational and seasoned heads here...
Unless you know the 'real' name of the person it would be difficult to notify the CBSA but they would be able (if they wanted to) to find out what was posted if that is your only concern. Just because it's been deleted doesn't mean it's gone!
If the person tries to go for PR status in the future, this action will come back and bite them in the bum. Background checks are not limited to Police certificates when applying for PR.
#4
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Maybe CIC should start monitoring the IEC Facebook groups on a regular basis.
#6
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Maybe they do. DIBP (Australian immigration) have been known to look at the Aus immi boards here so I don't see why they wouldn't look at other social media. Who's to say Canadian immigration don't do the same?
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They probably do then. I've not come across anything like this but there has been some 'choice words' used to describe CBSA at certain POEs by Irish participants who have only managed to get 1 year visa instead of 2 - doesn't make for good reading!
#8
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On a couple of the groups someone from the CIC in London would post and answer questions so they do have a look.
#9
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I was told visa exempt countries shared criminal record information, otherwise how would US citizens get turned away at Canada border for 4 year old DUI convictions, or UK citizens getting turned down at the US border for Drug offences etc.
Never underestimate what a friendly foreign government knows about you, they probably know more about you than you do.
Also you have to be an idiot to doctor a police certificate.
Never underestimate what a friendly foreign government knows about you, they probably know more about you than you do.
Also you have to be an idiot to doctor a police certificate.
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Re: CIC notification moral dilemma
You would be amazed at what can be found on the internet and social media sites so be careful what you post as we all know people post stupid shit about themselves.
If an application has been submitted that has certain information omitted, doctored etc etc then CIC/CBSA will take appropriate action.
Many have done it and some have got away with it and some have been caught.
Imagine doctoring a document on the IEC then submitting a PR application later. Checks are done and the change is now discovered.
Say hello to a 2 year Exclusion Order or potential criminal proceedings.
How smart would you feel then
My advice to the OP is to pat yourself on the back for being honest and disclosing this but take it no further or use this link if you wish to do so
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...aud/report.asp
If an application has been submitted that has certain information omitted, doctored etc etc then CIC/CBSA will take appropriate action.
Many have done it and some have got away with it and some have been caught.
Imagine doctoring a document on the IEC then submitting a PR application later. Checks are done and the change is now discovered.
Say hello to a 2 year Exclusion Order or potential criminal proceedings.
How smart would you feel then
My advice to the OP is to pat yourself on the back for being honest and disclosing this but take it no further or use this link if you wish to do so
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...aud/report.asp
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Re: CIC notification moral dilemma
Thanks all. I guess I'll leave it - not much to go on and if they're that dumb, they're probably not gonna fake a believable police cert
Do occasionally have an overwhelming temptation to thwap some people doing spectacularly stupid things!
Do occasionally have an overwhelming temptation to thwap some people doing spectacularly stupid things!
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Not strictly social medica related What's happens when a PR application is put in and the said applicant had 2 IECs from 2006- 2010 period but also managed to stay in Canada during that time. (Working under the table). They also had another IEC from 2012-2013 and a possible student visa so they have probably been there legally now. How would that work?
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Ok so drunken pics don't count then
Not strictly social medica related What's happens when a PR application is put in and the said applicant had 2 IECs from 2006- 2010 period but also managed to stay in Canada during that time. (Working under the table). They also had another IEC from 2012-2013 and a possible student visa so they have probably been there legally now. How would that work?
Not strictly social medica related What's happens when a PR application is put in and the said applicant had 2 IECs from 2006- 2010 period but also managed to stay in Canada during that time. (Working under the table). They also had another IEC from 2012-2013 and a possible student visa so they have probably been there legally now. How would that work?