K.I.S.S.

I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.

Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen - citizenship is
still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without actual
Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small child).
Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are the
steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a problem
with returning?

Andrew Miller

All really depends when you left Canada and how long you were absent. If you
landed as a PR here more than 5 years ago resided in Canada for less than
730 days (2 years) within past 5 years then you can say goodbye to your
Canadian PR status, sorry.

Email me directly if you need more details about possible options.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"k.i.s.s." wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.
    > Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen - citizenship is
    > still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without actual
    > Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small child).
    > Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are the
    > steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a problem
    > with returning?

Compiler

How does the CIC know whether a person stay in Canada less than 2
years or not if the guy has never been employed and filed tax?
__________________________________________________ __

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > All really depends when you left Canada and how long you were absent. If you
    > landed as a PR here more than 5 years ago resided in Canada for less than
    > 730 days (2 years) within past 5 years then you can say goodbye to your
    > Canadian PR status, sorry.
    >
    > Email me directly if you need more details about possible options.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "k.i.s.s." wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.
    > >
    > > Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen - citizenship is
    > > still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without actual
    > > Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small child).
    > > Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are the
    > > steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a problem
    > > with returning?

Andrew Miller

CIC doesn't need to know anything. It is a permanent resident who must prove
meeting residency obligations when asked.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"compiler" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > How does the CIC know whether a person stay in Canada less than 2
    > years or not if the guy has never been employed and filed tax?
    > __________________________________________________ __
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > All really depends when you left Canada and how long you were absent. If
you
    > > landed as a PR here more than 5 years ago resided in Canada for less
than
    > > 730 days (2 years) within past 5 years then you can say goodbye to your
    > > Canadian PR status, sorry.
    > >
    > > Email me directly if you need more details about possible options.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "k.i.s.s." wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.
    > > >
    > > > Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen - citizenship is
    > > > still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without actual
    > > > Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small child).
    > > > Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are the
    > > > steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a problem
    > > > with returning?

Northernligths25

Ofcourse CIC needs to know something, and so it is wrong to say they don't need
to know anything. In fact if applying fo r a PR card CIC will ask on the
application form periods a person was out of Canada, and when that immigrant
landed in Canada. CIC will also ask employment and school history of
applicant. It's obvious CIC need to know something.

    >Subject: Re: BIG questions * thank you
    >From: "Andrew Miller" [email protected]
    >Date: 5/25/03 1:00 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
    >Message-id:
    >CIC doesn't need to know anything. It is a permanent resident who must prove
    >meeting residency obligations when asked.
    >--
    >../..
    >Andrew Miller
    >Immigration Consultant
    >Vancouver, British Columbia
    >email: [email protected]
    >(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >________________________________
    >"compiler" wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> How does the CIC know whether a person stay in Canada less than 2
    >> years or not if the guy has never been employed and filed tax?
    >> __________________________________________________ __
    >> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> > All really depends when you left Canada and how long you were absent. If
    >you
    >> > landed as a PR here more than 5 years ago resided in Canada for less
    >than
    >> > 730 days (2 years) within past 5 years then you can say goodbye to your
    >> > Canadian PR status, sorry.
    >> >
    >> > Email me directly if you need more details about possible options.
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> >
    >> > ../..
    >> >
    >> > Andrew Miller
    >> > Immigration Consultant
    >> > Vancouver, British Columbia
    >> > email: [email protected]
    >> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >> > ________________________________
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "k.i.s.s." wrote in message
    >> > news:[email protected]...
    >> > > I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.
    >> > >
    >> > > Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen - citizenship is
    >> > > still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without actual
    >> > > Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small child).
    >> > > Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are the
    >> > > steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a problem
    >> > > with returning?

Andrew Miller

My wording was poor and my answer didn't make my point, sorry.

What I was trying to say is that CIC doesn't need to prove anything when it
comes to residency obligation - it is a permanent resident who has burden of
proof of meeting residency obligations when asked.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"NorthernLigths25" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Ofcourse CIC needs to know something, and so it is wrong to say they don't
need
    > to know anything. In fact if applying fo r a PR card CIC will ask on the
    > application form periods a person was out of Canada, and when that
immigrant
    > landed in Canada. CIC will also ask employment and school history of
    > applicant. It's obvious CIC need to know something.
    > >Subject: Re: BIG questions * thank you
    > >From: "Andrew Miller" [email protected]
    > >Date: 5/25/03 1:00 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
    > >Message-id:
    > >
    > >CIC doesn't need to know anything. It is a permanent resident who must
prove
    > >meeting residency obligations when asked.
    > >
    > >--
    > >
    > >../..
    > >
    > >Andrew Miller
    > >Immigration Consultant
    > >Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >email: [email protected]
    > >(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > >"compiler" wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> How does the CIC know whether a person stay in Canada less than 2
    > >> years or not if the guy has never been employed and filed tax?
    > >> __________________________________________________ __
    > >>
    > >> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >> > All really depends when you left Canada and how long you were absent.
If
    > >you
    > >> > landed as a PR here more than 5 years ago resided in Canada for less
    > >than
    > >> > 730 days (2 years) within past 5 years then you can say goodbye to
your
    > >> > Canadian PR status, sorry.
    > >> >
    > >> > Email me directly if you need more details about possible options.
    > >> >
    > >> > --
    > >> >
    > >> > ../..
    > >> >
    > >> > Andrew Miller
    > >> > Immigration Consultant
    > >> > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >> > email: [email protected]
    > >> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >> > ________________________________
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "k.i.s.s." wrote in message
    > >> > news:[email protected]...
    > >> > > I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.
    > >> > >
    > >> > > Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen - citizenship is
    > >> > > still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without actual
    > >> > > Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small child).
    > >> > > Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are the
    > >> > > steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a problem
    > >> > > with returning?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

Andrew Miller

The question wasn't about courts. Original poster asked how CIC would know
if someone met residency obligations - the proper answer is that CIC will
ask and permanent resident has to prove that s/he met obligations, period.
Of course CIC may want to prove otherwise, but CIC has no obligation to
prove - is PR cannot prove meeting residency obligations then PR status may
be lost.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________



"NorthernLigths25" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > This is really a bad advice from Miller, and I say that from all due
respect.
    > First he said, and I quote from his exact words,
    > "CIC doesn't need to know anything". Then Miller said what he really
meant,
    > and I quote again, "CIC doesn't need to prove anything".
    > Both are wrong statements from my humble understanding. First, CIC needs
to
    > know something from the applicant whether applying for PR status/card, or
    > citizenship. Second ofcourse sometimes CIC will have the burden of proof;
an
    > example is when CIC charge somebody acquired PR status through fraudaulent
    > means, then in a court of law the one who charged will have to prove its
case.
    > >Subject: Re: BIG questions * thank you
    > >From: "Andrew Miller" [email protected]
    > >Date: 5/25/03 2:28 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
    > >Message-id:
    > >
    > >My wording was poor and my answer didn't make my point, sorry.
    > >
    > >What I was trying to say is that CIC doesn't need to prove anything when
it
    > >comes to residency obligation - it is a permanent resident who has burden
of
    > >proof of meeting residency obligations when asked.
    > >
    > >--
    > >
    > >../..
    > >
    > >Andrew Miller
    > >Immigration Consultant
    > >Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >email: [email protected]
    > >(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > >"NorthernLigths25" wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> Ofcourse CIC needs to know something, and so it is wrong to say they
don't
    > >need
    > >> to know anything. In fact if applying fo r a PR card CIC will ask on
the
    > >> application form periods a person was out of Canada, and when that
    > >immigrant
    > >> landed in Canada. CIC will also ask employment and school history of
    > >> applicant. It's obvious CIC need to know something.
    > >>
    > >> >Subject: Re: BIG questions * thank you
    > >> >From: "Andrew Miller" [email protected]
    > >> >Date: 5/25/03 1:00 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
    > >> >Message-id:
    > >> >
    > >> >CIC doesn't need to know anything. It is a permanent resident who must
    > >prove
    > >> >meeting residency obligations when asked.
    > >> >
    > >> >--
    > >> >
    > >> >../..
    > >> >
    > >> >Andrew Miller
    > >> >Immigration Consultant
    > >> >Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >> >email: [email protected]
    > >> >(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >> >________________________________
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >"compiler" wrote in message
    > >> >news:[email protected]...
    > >> >> How does the CIC know whether a person stay in Canada less than 2
    > >> >> years or not if the guy has never been employed and filed tax?
    > >> >> __________________________________________________ __
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Andrew Miller" wrote in
message
    > >> >news:...
    > >> >> > All really depends when you left Canada and how long you were
absent.
    > >If
    > >> >you
    > >> >> > landed as a PR here more than 5 years ago resided in Canada for
less
    > >> >than
    > >> >> > 730 days (2 years) within past 5 years then you can say goodbye to
    > >your
    > >> >> > Canadian PR status, sorry.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Email me directly if you need more details about possible options.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > --
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > ../..
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Andrew Miller
    > >> >> > Immigration Consultant
    > >> >> > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >> >> > email: [email protected]
    > >> >> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >> >> > ________________________________
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "k.i.s.s." wrote in message
    > >> >> > news:[email protected]...
    > >> >> > > I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > > Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen - citizenship
is
    > >> >> > > still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without
actual
    > >> >> > > Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small
child).
    > >> >> > > Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are
the
    > >> >> > > steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a
problem
    > >> >> > > with returning?
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

Atul Patel

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news[email protected]...
    > The question wasn't about courts. Original poster asked how CIC would know
    > if someone met residency obligations - the proper answer is that CIC will
    > ask and permanent resident has to prove that s/he met obligations, period.
    > Of course CIC may want to prove otherwise, but CIC has no obligation to
    > prove - is PR cannot prove meeting residency obligations then PR status
may
    > be lost.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "NorthernLigths25" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > This is really a bad advice from Miller, and I say that from all due
    > respect.
    > > First he said, and I quote from his exact words,
    > > "CIC doesn't need to know anything". Then Miller said what he really
    > meant,
    > > and I quote again, "CIC doesn't need to prove anything".
    > >
    > > Both are wrong statements from my humble understanding. First, CIC
needs
    > to
    > > know something from the applicant whether applying for PR status/card,
or
    > > citizenship. Second ofcourse sometimes CIC will have the burden of
proof;
    > an
    > > example is when CIC charge somebody acquired PR status through
fraudaulent
    > > means, then in a court of law the one who charged will have to prove its
    > case.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >Subject: Re: BIG questions * thank you
    > > >From: "Andrew Miller" [email protected]
    > > >Date: 5/25/03 2:28 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
    > > >Message-id:
    > > >
    > > >My wording was poor and my answer didn't make my point, sorry.
    > > >
    > > >What I was trying to say is that CIC doesn't need to prove anything
when
    > it
    > > >comes to residency obligation - it is a permanent resident who has
burden
    > of
    > > >proof of meeting residency obligations when asked.
    > > >
    > > >--
    > > >
    > > >../..
    > > >
    > > >Andrew Miller
    > > >Immigration Consultant
    > > >Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > >email: [email protected]
    > > >(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > >________________________________
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >"NorthernLigths25" wrote in message
    > > >news:[email protected]...
    > > >> Ofcourse CIC needs to know something, and so it is wrong to say they
    > don't
    > > >need
    > > >> to know anything. In fact if applying fo r a PR card CIC will ask on
    > the
    > > >> application form periods a person was out of Canada, and when that
    > > >immigrant
    > > >> landed in Canada. CIC will also ask employment and school history of
    > > >> applicant. It's obvious CIC need to know something.
    > > >>
    > > >> >Subject: Re: BIG questions * thank you
    > > >> >From: "Andrew Miller" [email protected]
    > > >> >Date: 5/25/03 1:00 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
    > > >> >Message-id:
    > > >> >
    > > >> >CIC doesn't need to know anything. It is a permanent resident who
must
    > > >prove
    > > >> >meeting residency obligations when asked.
    > > >> >
    > > >> >--
    > > >> >
    > > >> >../..
    > > >> >
    > > >> >Andrew Miller
    > > >> >Immigration Consultant
    > > >> >Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > >> >email: [email protected]
    > > >> >(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > >> >________________________________
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >"compiler" wrote in message
    > > >> >news:[email protected]...
    > > >> >> How does the CIC know whether a person stay in Canada less than 2
    > > >> >> years or not if the guy has never been employed and filed tax?
    > > >> >> __________________________________________________ __
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> "Andrew Miller" wrote in
    > message
    > > >> >news:...
    > > >> >> > All really depends when you left Canada and how long you were
    > absent.
    > > >If
    > > >> >you
    > > >> >> > landed as a PR here more than 5 years ago resided in Canada for
    > less
    > > >> >than
    > > >> >> > 730 days (2 years) within past 5 years then you can say goodbye
to
    > > >your
    > > >> >> > Canadian PR status, sorry.
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > Email me directly if you need more details about possible
options.
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > --
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > ../..
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > Andrew Miller
    > > >> >> > Immigration Consultant
    > > >> >> > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > >> >> > email: [email protected]
    > > >> >> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > >> >> > ________________________________
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > "k.i.s.s." wrote in message
    > > >> >> > news:[email protected]...
    > > >> >> > > I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.
    > > >> >> > >
    > > >> >> > > Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen -
citizenship
    > is
    > > >> >> > > still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without
    > actual
    > > >> >> > > Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small
    > child).
    > > >> >> > > Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are
    > the
    > > >> >> > > steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a
    > problem
    > > >> >> > > with returning?
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >

Atul Patel

If you have already adjusted your status to that of Permanent Resident in
United States, why do you have to worry about Canadian PR?
All you have to do is to apply for United States citizenship.


"k.i.s.s." wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I have a few big questions that I'm hoping to get answers to.
    > Moved from Canada to the US, married a US citizen - citizenship is
    > still not complete (3+ years waiting). Left Canada without actual
    > Canadian citizenship (landed immigrant since I was a small child).
    > Now returning to Canada with US hubby and children - what are the
    > steps I need to take to return to Canada? Will there be a problem
    > with returning?

Bodza Bodza

[email protected] (NorthernLigths25) wrote:

    > Both are wrong statements from my humble understanding. First, CIC needs to
    > know something from the applicant whether applying for PR status/card, or
    > citizenship. Second ofcourse sometimes CIC will have the burden of proof; an
    > example is when CIC charge somebody acquired PR status through fraudaulent
    > means, then in a court of law the one who charged will have to prove its case.

This is a misunderstanding.

In the first case, an applicant for a PR card is exactly that, an
applicant.
i.e. The person applying is asking to be considered under *CIC's
rules* as a permanent resident.

In the second case, if they request documentary evidence from the
applicant then it is the applicant that needs to prove their residence
according to *CIC's rules*.

In the third case it is quite a simple matter for CIC to say no.
They ask you for document such and such prooving you had residence
during period x. If you don't supply you lose.

Quite simple, really.