Anywayok

Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
I started. According to CIC page description below

    >Your Employment Arrangements Points 10

    >You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
(including >sectoral confirmation.)

    >Conditions:

    >Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
for a >permanent resident visa.
    >Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.

should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
valid)

BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
permit)by fax to bufflo case center.

Thanks..Shawn

Andrew Miller

No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an arranged
employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work permits
don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including sectoral and
blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work permits.
You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
validation - then it would be a different story.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.-
liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"anywayok" wrote in message
news:60b57a4f.0210231954-
[email protected]...
    > Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    > under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    > permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    > till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
    > I started. According to CIC page description below
    > >Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    > >You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    > (including >sectoral confirmation.)
    > >Conditions:
    > >Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    > for a >permanent resident visa.
    > >Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    > should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    > work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    > valid)
    > BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    > permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    > Thanks..Shawn

John W

Mr Miller,
What about 10 points eligibility in such situation:
One has a HRDC validation exempt post-graduate permit, so legally can
work for a company but according to your previous post is not eligible
for 10 points.
Assuming that the company is willing to offer a permanent job after a
post-grad permit is expired. Is it enough for the employer to apply for
a HRDC opinion or does have to be validation process.?
The person is not going to take this position before PR is granted?

Thanks
John


Andrew Miller wrote:
    > No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an arranged
    > employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work permits
    > don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including sectoral and
    > blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work permits.
    > You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
    > validation - then it would be a different story.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > http://members.yaho-
    > o.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > ________________________________
    > "anywayok" wrote in message
    > news:60b57a4f.02102319-
    > [email protected]    ...
    >>Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    >>under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    >>permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    >>till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
    >>I started. According to CIC page description below
    >>>Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    >>>You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    >>(including >sectoral confirmation.)
    >>>Conditions:
    >>>Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    >>for a >permanent resident visa.
    >>>Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    >>should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    >>work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    >>valid)
    >>BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    >>permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    >>Thanks..Shawn

Andrew Miller

It is not enough - work permit issued after offer has been validated by HRDC
(including sectoral validations) must be valid for at least 12 months beyond PR
application date in order to be eligible for 10 points. As far as HRDC opinion
goes - it applies only to those who are outside Canada and don't have any
intention to work here prior to becoming permanent residents.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.-
liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"John W" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr Miller,
    > What about 10 points eligibility in such situation:
    > One has a HRDC validation exempt post-graduate permit, so legally can
    > work for a company but according to your previous post is not eligible
    > for 10 points.
    > Assuming that the company is willing to offer a permanent job after a
    > post-grad permit is expired. Is it enough for the employer to apply for
    > a HRDC opinion or does have to be validation process.?
    > The person is not going to take this position before PR is granted?
    > Thanks
    > John
    > Andrew Miller wrote:
    > > No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an
arranged
    > > employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work
permits
    > > don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including sectoral and
    > > blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work
permits.
    > > You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
    > > validation - then it would be a different story.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >
    > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >
    > > http://members.ya-
    > > hoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "anywayok" wrote in message
    > > news:60b57a4f.021023-
    > > [email protected]    ...
    > >
    > >>Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    > >>under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    > >>permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    > >>till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
    > >>I started. According to CIC page description below
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    > >>
    > >>>You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    > >>
    > >>(including >sectoral confirmation.)
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Conditions:
    > >>
    > >>>Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    > >>
    > >>for a >permanent resident visa.
    > >>
    > >>>Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    > >>
    > >>should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    > >>work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    > >>valid)
    > >>
    > >>BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    > >>permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    > >>
    > >>Thanks..Shawn
    > >
    > >
    > >

John W

Mr Miller, Thank you for your clarification.
Than, It seems to me that in case of validation exempt work permit
holders (even longer than 12 months)the only way to obtain 10 points is
to have an employer seek a confirmation of offer of employment on a
temporary basis.
Or If One leaves Canada then an opinion should be enough.
Am I right, Mr Miller?



Andrew Miller wrote:
    > It is not enough - work permit issued after offer has been validated by HRDC
    > (including sectoral validations) must be valid for at least 12 months beyond PR
    > application date in order to be eligible for 10 points. As far as HRDC opinion
    > goes - it applies only to those who are outside Canada and don't have any
    > intention to work here prior to becoming permanent residents.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > http://members.yaho-
    > o.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > ________________________________
    > "John W" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>Mr Miller,
    >>What about 10 points eligibility in such situation:
    >>One has a HRDC validation exempt post-graduate permit, so legally can
    >>work for a company but according to your previous post is not eligible
    >>for 10 points.
    >>Assuming that the company is willing to offer a permanent job after a
    >>post-grad permit is expired. Is it enough for the employer to apply for
    >>a HRDC opinion or does have to be validation process.?
    >>The person is not going to take this position before PR is granted?
    >>Thanks
    >>John
    >>Andrew Miller wrote:
    >>>No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an
    > arranged
    >>>employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work
    > permits
    >>>don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including sectoral and
    >>>blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work
    > permits.
    >>>You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
    >>>validation - then it would be a different story.
    >>>--
    >>>../..
    >>>Andrew Miller
    >>>Immigration Consultant
    >>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    >>>email: [email protected]
    >>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    >>>http://members.yah-
    >>>oo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    >>>________________________________
    >>>"anywayok" wrote in message
    >>>news:60b57a4f.0210231-
    >>>[email protected]    ...
    >>>>Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    >>>>under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    >>>>permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    >>>>till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
    >>>>I started. According to CIC page description below
    >>>>>Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    >>>>>You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    >>>>(including >sectoral confirmation.)
    >>>>>Conditions:
    >>>>>Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    >>>>for a >permanent resident visa.
    >>>>>Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    >>>>should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    >>>>work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    >>>>valid)
    >>>>BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    >>>>permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    >>>>Thanks..Shawn

Andrew Miller

As far as the first part of your post goes - it will have to be a different job
offer entirely. The one which was validation exempt will not be accepted.

As for your second question - yes, in such case an opinion will be fine.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.-
liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"John W" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr Miller, Thank you for your clarification.
    > Than, It seems to me that in case of validation exempt work permit
    > holders (even longer than 12 months)the only way to obtain 10 points is
    > to have an employer seek a confirmation of offer of employment on a
    > temporary basis.
    > Or If One leaves Canada then an opinion should be enough.
    > Am I right, Mr Miller?
    > Andrew Miller wrote:
    > > It is not enough - work permit issued after offer has been validated by
HRDC
    > > (including sectoral validations) must be valid for at least 12 months
beyond PR
    > > application date in order to be eligible for 10 points. As far as HRDC
opinion
    > > goes - it applies only to those who are outside Canada and don't have any
    > > intention to work here prior to becoming permanent residents.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >
    > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >
    > > http://members.ya-
    > > hoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "John W" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >>Mr Miller,
    > >>What about 10 points eligibility in such situation:
    > >>One has a HRDC validation exempt post-graduate permit, so legally can
    > >>work for a company but according to your previous post is not eligible
    > >>for 10 points.
    > >>Assuming that the company is willing to offer a permanent job after a
    > >>post-grad permit is expired. Is it enough for the employer to apply for
    > >>a HRDC opinion or does have to be validation process.?
    > >>The person is not going to take this position before PR is granted?
    > >>
    > >>Thanks
    > >>John
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Andrew Miller wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an
    > >>
    > > arranged
    > >
    > >>>employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work
    > >>
    > > permits
    > >
    > >>>don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including sectoral
and
    > >>>blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work
    > >>
    > > permits.
    > >
    > >>>You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
    > >>>validation - then it would be a different story.
    > >>>
    > >>>--
    > >>>
    > >>>../..
    > >>>
    > >>>Andrew Miller
    > >>>Immigration Consultant
    > >>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >>>email: [email protected]
    > >>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >>>
    > >>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >>>
    > >>>http://members.y-
    > >>>ahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > >>>________________________________
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>"anywayok" wrote in message
    > >>>news:60b57a4f.02102-
    > >>>[email protected]    ...
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    > >>>>under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    > >>>>permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    > >>>>till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
    > >>>>I started. According to CIC page description below
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    > >>>>
    > >>>>(including >sectoral confirmation.)
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Conditions:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    > >>>>
    > >>>>for a >permanent resident visa.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    > >>>>work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    > >>>>valid)
    > >>>>
    > >>>>BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    > >>>>permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Thanks..Shawn
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >
    > >

John W

Mr Miller,
I am a little bit confused. I have an open work permit (not validated)
under a spouse of a student case and currently work for a company. What
do you mean by a different job offer? Is it not enough to obtain
validation for that work?

Appreciate your answer.


Andrew Miller wrote:
    > As far as the first part of your post goes - it will have to be a different job
    > offer entirely. The one which was validation exempt will not be accepted.
    > As for your second question - yes, in such case an opinion will be fine.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > http://members.yaho-
    > o.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > ________________________________
    > "John W" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>Mr Miller, Thank you for your clarification.
    >>Than, It seems to me that in case of validation exempt work permit
    >>holders (even longer than 12 months)the only way to obtain 10 points is
    >>to have an employer seek a confirmation of offer of employment on a
    >>temporary basis.
    >>Or If One leaves Canada then an opinion should be enough.
    >>Am I right, Mr Miller?
    >>Andrew Miller wrote:
    >>>It is not enough - work permit issued after offer has been validated by
    > HRDC
    >>>(including sectoral validations) must be valid for at least 12 months
    > beyond PR
    >>>application date in order to be eligible for 10 points. As far as HRDC
    > opinion
    >>>goes - it applies only to those who are outside Canada and don't have any
    >>>intention to work here prior to becoming permanent residents.
    >>>--
    >>>../..
    >>>Andrew Miller
    >>>Immigration Consultant
    >>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    >>>email: [email protected]
    >>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    >>>http://members.yah-
    >>>oo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    >>>________________________________
    >>>"John W" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>>>Mr Miller,
    >>>>What about 10 points eligibility in such situation:
    >>>>One has a HRDC validation exempt post-graduate permit, so legally can
    >>>>work for a company but according to your previous post is not eligible
    >>>>for 10 points.
    >>>>Assuming that the company is willing to offer a permanent job after a
    >>>>post-grad permit is expired. Is it enough for the employer to apply for
    >>>>a HRDC opinion or does have to be validation process.?
    >>>>The person is not going to take this position before PR is granted?
    >>>>Thanks
    >>>>John
    >>>>Andrew Miller wrote:
    >>>>>No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an
    >>>arranged
    >>>>>employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work
    >>>permits
    >>>>>don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including sectoral
    > and
    >>>>>blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work
    >>>permits.
    >>>>>You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
    >>>>>validation - then it would be a different story.
    >>>>>--
    >>>>>../..
    >>>>>Andrew Miller
    >>>>>Immigration Consultant
    >>>>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    >>>>>email: [email protected]
    >>>>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >>>>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    >>>>>http://members.y-
    >>>>>ahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    >>>>>________________________________
    >>>>>"anywayok" wrote in message
    >>>>>news:60b57a4f.02102-
    >>>>>[email protected]    ...
    >>>>>>Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    >>>>>>under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    >>>>>>permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    >>>>>>till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
    >>>>>>I started. According to CIC page description below
    >>>>>>>Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    >>>>>>>You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    >>>>>>(including >sectoral confirmation.)
    >>>>>>>Conditions:
    >>>>>>>Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    >>>>>>for a >permanent resident visa.
    >>>>>>>Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    >>>>>>should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    >>>>>>work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    >>>>>>valid)
    >>>>>>BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    >>>>>>permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    >>>>>>Thanks..Shawn

Andrew Miller

What I meant was for example a post-doctoral fellowship which is limited in
time contract and as such cannot be "re-used" for new validation. But in your
case you'll need a standard job offer validated by HRDC, then you'll have to
obtain new work permit on that basis valid for at least 12 months beyond PR
application date. Validation alone will not work - it will have to be entirely
new work permit.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.-
liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"John W" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr Miller,
    > I am a little bit confused. I have an open work permit (not validated)
    > under a spouse of a student case and currently work for a company. What
    > do you mean by a different job offer? Is it not enough to obtain
    > validation for that work?
    > Appreciate your answer.
    > Andrew Miller wrote:
    > > As far as the first part of your post goes - it will have to be a different
job
    > > offer entirely. The one which was validation exempt will not be accepted.
    > >
    > > As for your second question - yes, in such case an opinion will be fine.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >
    > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >
    > > http://members.ya-
    > > hoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "John W" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >>Mr Miller, Thank you for your clarification.
    > >>Than, It seems to me that in case of validation exempt work permit
    > >>holders (even longer than 12 months)the only way to obtain 10 points is
    > >>to have an employer seek a confirmation of offer of employment on a
    > >>temporary basis.
    > >>Or If One leaves Canada then an opinion should be enough.
    > >>Am I right, Mr Miller?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Andrew Miller wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>It is not enough - work permit issued after offer has been validated by
    > >>
    > > HRDC
    > >
    > >>>(including sectoral validations) must be valid for at least 12 months
    > >>
    > > beyond PR
    > >
    > >>>application date in order to be eligible for 10 points. As far as HRDC
    > >>
    > > opinion
    > >
    > >>>goes - it applies only to those who are outside Canada and don't have any
    > >>>intention to work here prior to becoming permanent residents.
    > >>>
    > >>>--
    > >>>
    > >>>../..
    > >>>
    > >>>Andrew Miller
    > >>>Immigration Consultant
    > >>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >>>email: [email protected]
    > >>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >>>
    > >>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >>>
    > >>>http://members.y-
    > >>>ahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > >>>________________________________
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>"John W" wrote in message
    > >>
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >>>>Mr Miller,
    > >>>>What about 10 points eligibility in such situation:
    > >>>>One has a HRDC validation exempt post-graduate permit, so legally can
    > >>>>work for a company but according to your previous post is not eligible
    > >>>>for 10 points.
    > >>>>Assuming that the company is willing to offer a permanent job after a
    > >>>>post-grad permit is expired. Is it enough for the employer to apply for
    > >>>>a HRDC opinion or does have to be validation process.?
    > >>>>The person is not going to take this position before PR is granted?
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Thanks
    > >>>>John
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Andrew Miller wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an
    > >>>>
    > >>>arranged
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work
    > >>>>
    > >>>permits
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including sectoral
    > >>>>
    > > and
    > >
    > >>>>>blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work
    > >>>>
    > >>>permits.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
    > >>>>>validation - then it would be a different story.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>--
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>../..
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Andrew Miller
    > >>>>>Immigration Consultant
    > >>>>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >>>>>email: [email protected]
    > >>>>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>http://members-
    > >>>>>.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > >>>>>________________________________
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>"anywayok" wrote in message
    > >>>>>news:60b57a4f.021-
    > >>>>>[email protected]    ...
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    > >>>>>>under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    > >>>>>>permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    > >>>>>>till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
    > >>>>>>I started. According to CIC page description below
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>(including >sectoral confirmation.)
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Conditions:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>for a >permanent resident visa.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    > >>>>>>work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    > >>>>>>valid)
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    > >>>>>>permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Thanks..Shawn
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>
    > >
    > >

John W

Dear Mr Miller
Regulations say that: 10 points are awarded if "You have a Human
Resources Development Canada (HRDC) confirmed offer of permanent
employment".
However in company in which I work now emploees (including me) are
employed on contracts which are renewed every three years.
Is that enough for 10 points in arranged employment category.




Andrew Miller wrote:
    > What I meant was for example a post-doctoral fellowship which is limited in
    > time contract and as such cannot be "re-used" for new validation. But in your
    > case you'll need a standard job offer validated by HRDC, then you'll have to
    > obtain new work permit on that basis valid for at least 12 months beyond PR
    > application date. Validation alone will not work - it will have to be entirely
    > new work permit.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > http://members.yaho-
    > o.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > ________________________________
    > "John W" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>Mr Miller,
    >>I am a little bit confused. I have an open work permit (not validated)
    >>under a spouse of a student case and currently work for a company. What
    >>do you mean by a different job offer? Is it not enough to obtain
    >>validation for that work?
    >>Appreciate your answer.
    >>Andrew Miller wrote:
    >>>As far as the first part of your post goes - it will have to be a different
    > job
    >>>offer entirely. The one which was validation exempt will not be accepted.
    >>>As for your second question - yes, in such case an opinion will be fine.
    >>>--
    >>>../..
    >>>Andrew Miller
    >>>Immigration Consultant
    >>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    >>>email: [email protected]
    >>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    >>>http://members.yah-
    >>>oo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    >>>________________________________
    >>>"John W" wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>>Mr Miller, Thank you for your clarification.
    >>>>Than, It seems to me that in case of validation exempt work permit
    >>>>holders (even longer than 12 months)the only way to obtain 10 points is
    >>>>to have an employer seek a confirmation of offer of employment on a
    >>>>temporary basis.
    >>>>Or If One leaves Canada then an opinion should be enough.
    >>>>Am I right, Mr Miller?
    >>>>Andrew Miller wrote:
    >>>>>It is not enough - work permit issued after offer has been validated by
    >>>HRDC
    >>>>>(including sectoral validations) must be valid for at least 12 months
    >>>beyond PR
    >>>>>application date in order to be eligible for 10 points. As far as HRDC
    >>>opinion
    >>>>>goes - it applies only to those who are outside Canada and don't have any
    >>>>>intention to work here prior to becoming permanent residents.
    >>>>>--
    >>>>>../..
    >>>>>Andrew Miller
    >>>>>Immigration Consultant
    >>>>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    >>>>>email: [email protected]
    >>>>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >>>>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    >>>>>http://members.y-
    >>>>>ahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    >>>>>________________________________
    >>>>>"John W" wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>>Mr Miller,
    >>>>>>What about 10 points eligibility in such situation:
    >>>>>>One has a HRDC validation exempt post-graduate permit, so legally can
    >>>>>>work for a company but according to your previous post is not eligible
    >>>>>>for 10 points.
    >>>>>>Assuming that the company is willing to offer a permanent job after a
    >>>>>>post-grad permit is expired. Is it enough for the employer to apply for
    >>>>>>a HRDC opinion or does have to be validation process.?
    >>>>>>The person is not going to take this position before PR is granted?
    >>>>>>Thanks
    >>>>>>John
    >>>>>>Andrew Miller wrote:
    >>>>>>>No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an
    >>>>>arranged
    >>>>>>>employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work
    >>>>>permits
    >>>>>>>don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including sectoral
    >>>and
    >>>>>>>blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work
    >>>>>permits.
    >>>>>>>You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
    >>>>>>>validation - then it would be a different story.
    >>>>>>>--
    >>>>>>>../..
    >>>>>>>Andrew Miller
    >>>>>>>Immigration Consultant
    >>>>>>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    >>>>>>>email: [email protected]
    >>>>>>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >>>>>>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    >>>>>>>http://members-
    >>>>>>>.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    >>>>>>>________________________________
    >>>>>>>"anywayok" wrote in message
    >>>>>>>news:60b57a4f.021-
    >>>>>>>[email protected]    ...
    >>>>>>>>Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    >>>>>>>>under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    >>>>>>>>permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    >>>>>>>>till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company since
    >>>>>>>>I started. According to CIC page description below
    >>>>>>>>>Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    >>>>>>>>>You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    >>>>>>>>(including >sectoral confirmation.)
    >>>>>>>>>Conditions:
    >>>>>>>>>Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    >>>>>>>>for a >permanent resident visa.
    >>>>>>>>>Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    >>>>>>>>should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    >>>>>>>>work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    >>>>>>>>valid)
    >>>>>>>>BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    >>>>>>>>permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    >>>>>>>>Thanks..Shawn

Andrew Miller

Looks like you are taking things out of context just to fit your idea - it
doesn't work that way, sorry.

If you are already working in Canada then in order to get 10 points for
arranged employment your work permit must be issued pursuant to R82(2)(a) after
job offer was validated by HRDC (including sectoral validation) or was issued
pursuant to R82(2)(b) on the basis of international agreements (NAFTA, GATS,
etc.) or in a significant benefit category (for example intra-company
transferee). No other work permit (validation exempt) will do, period.

But if you are not in Canada then you will get 10 points for HRDC approved
(opinion) pursuant to R82(2)(c) job offer to employ you on indeterminate basis
after you become a PR.

Length of contracts in the company you work is irrelevant - validity of work
permit and pursuant to which part of Regulations it was granted only counts.

Why it is so hard to understand?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.-
liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"John W" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Dear Mr Miller
    > Regulations say that: 10 points are awarded if "You have a Human
    > Resources Development Canada (HRDC) confirmed offer of permanent
    > employment".
    > However in company in which I work now emploees (including me) are
    > employed on contracts which are renewed every three years.
    > Is that enough for 10 points in arranged employment category.
    > Andrew Miller wrote:
    > > What I meant was for example a post-doctoral fellowship which is limited in
    > > time contract and as such cannot be "re-used" for new validation. But in
your
    > > case you'll need a standard job offer validated by HRDC, then you'll have
to
    > > obtain new work permit on that basis valid for at least 12 months beyond PR
    > > application date. Validation alone will not work - it will have to be
entirely
    > > new work permit.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >
    > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >
    > > http://members.ya-
    > > hoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "John W" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >>Mr Miller,
    > >>I am a little bit confused. I have an open work permit (not validated)
    > >>under a spouse of a student case and currently work for a company. What
    > >>do you mean by a different job offer? Is it not enough to obtain
    > >>validation for that work?
    > >>
    > >>Appreciate your answer.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Andrew Miller wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>As far as the first part of your post goes - it will have to be a
different
    > >>
    > > job
    > >
    > >>>offer entirely. The one which was validation exempt will not be accepted.
    > >>>
    > >>>As for your second question - yes, in such case an opinion will be fine.
    > >>>
    > >>>--
    > >>>
    > >>>../..
    > >>>
    > >>>Andrew Miller
    > >>>Immigration Consultant
    > >>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >>>email: [email protected]
    > >>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >>>
    > >>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >>>
    > >>>http://members.y-
    > >>>ahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > >>>________________________________
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>"John W" wrote in message
    > >>>news:[email protected]...
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>Mr Miller, Thank you for your clarification.
    > >>>>Than, It seems to me that in case of validation exempt work permit
    > >>>>holders (even longer than 12 months)the only way to obtain 10 points is
    > >>>>to have an employer seek a confirmation of offer of employment on a
    > >>>>temporary basis.
    > >>>>Or If One leaves Canada then an opinion should be enough.
    > >>>>Am I right, Mr Miller?
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Andrew Miller wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>It is not enough - work permit issued after offer has been validated by
    > >>>>
    > >>>HRDC
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>(including sectoral validations) must be valid for at least 12 months
    > >>>>
    > >>>beyond PR
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>application date in order to be eligible for 10 points. As far as HRDC
    > >>>>
    > >>>opinion
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>goes - it applies only to those who are outside Canada and don't have
any
    > >>>>>intention to work here prior to becoming permanent residents.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>--
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>../..
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Andrew Miller
    > >>>>>Immigration Consultant
    > >>>>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >>>>>email: [email protected]
    > >>>>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>http://members-
    > >>>>>.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > >>>>>________________________________
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>"John W" wrote in message
    > >>>>
    > >>>news:[email protected]...
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>>Mr Miller,
    > >>>>>>What about 10 points eligibility in such situation:
    > >>>>>>One has a HRDC validation exempt post-graduate permit, so legally can
    > >>>>>>work for a company but according to your previous post is not eligible
    > >>>>>>for 10 points.
    > >>>>>>Assuming that the company is willing to offer a permanent job after a
    > >>>>>>post-grad permit is expired. Is it enough for the employer to apply for
    > >>>>>>a HRDC opinion or does have to be validation process.?
    > >>>>>>The person is not going to take this position before PR is granted?
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Thanks
    > >>>>>>John
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Andrew Miller wrote:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>No, you are not eligible for 10 points as your employment is not an
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>arranged
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>employment and never was. Post-graduate and spouse of a student work
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>permits
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>don't qualify as they are not HRDC validated at all (including
sectoral
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>and
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>>>blanket validations) - they are simply validation exempt limited work
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>permits.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>You should have applied for regular work permit after obtaining HRDC
    > >>>>>>>validation - then it would be a different story.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>--
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>../..
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Andrew Miller
    > >>>>>>>Immigration Consultant
    > >>>>>>>Vancouver, British Columbia
    > >>>>>>>email: [email protected]
    > >>>>>>>(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>http://membe-
    > >>>>>>>rs.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > >>>>>>>________________________________
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>"anywayok" wrote in message
    > >>>>>>>news:60b57a4f.0-
    > >>>>>>>[email protected]    ...
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Hi, I filed my CA PR last Oct. and at that time I held a work permit
    > >>>>>>>>under graduate category witch was up to Jun. 2002. I renewed my work
    > >>>>>>>>permit before it expired under spouse category which will be valid
    > >>>>>>>>till Feb. 2004. I have been working in the same software company
since
    > >>>>>>>>I started. According to CIC page description below
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Your Employment Arrangements Points 10
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>You are currently working in Canada on a temporary work visa
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>(including >sectoral confirmation.)
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Conditions:
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Your work permit will be valid for 12 or more months after you apply
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>for a >permanent resident visa.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Your employer has made an offer to give you a permanent job.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>should I get the 10 points? As my understanding, temporary work visa=
    > >>>>>>>>work permit(not necesarily HRDC validated as long as it's issued and
    > >>>>>>>>valid)
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>BTW, I already updated my current working stauts (job offer, work
    > >>>>>>>>permit)by fax to bufflo case center.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Thanks..Shawn
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>
    > >
    > >