Any US Applicants?
Mar 13th 2004, 11:49 pm
#16
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Re: Any US Applicants?
Is it not true that the average life expectancy for Canadians is higher than the average for US citizens, meaning that the Canadian healthcare system is not such a terrible failure? 79 vs. 75?
Originally posted by Ttjjekk119234
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:47:00 +0000, prodigy346
<member14391@british_expats.com> wrote:
>I have no respect for doctors who think their profession was intended to
>be a money making opportunity.
I don't think that's the issue for many of them. The issue is getting
screwed around by the government. How would you like it if you
performed a procedure on a patient. Then the government finds a
loophole and doesn't want to pay you? (or simply just doesn't want to
pay you without a loophole).
Our doctors leave and for good reason. It's rarely the money.
[although spending 10 years in University and I'd want to get paid big
bucks!! who wouldn't?]
Socialized healthcare has a lot of positives. But it has a lot of
negatives. If you want cheaper healthcare then it is definately the
way to go. But if you get cancer and want treatment in a timely
manner, then the Canadian healthcare system isn't for you.
I think the Canadian healthcare system is great for people who are
healthy. But when you are gravely ill, it is the worst healthcare
system in the g-7.
>Originally posted by
>Ttjjekk119234
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:20:40 +0000, Tam
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> Well, you get what you pay
>> >> for. And the Canadian healthcare system is
>> >> in
>very poor condition.
>> >> That includes most areas in Canada
>that have
>> >> no family doctors that
>> >> are
>accepting patients. So when you come to
>> >> Canada, ensure
>that the
>> >> area that you move to has family doctors
>>> accepting patients. To put
>> >> it intol reality, the
>city I live does not
>> >> have a single family doctor
>>> available--a city of nearly 400,000+.
>> >
>>Some people say that the 16 accredited Canadian medical schools are
>better
>> >than any of the 126 American medical schools. But
>what do I know; I never go
>> >to the doctor myself.
>>
>..and once a Canadian earns a degree in medicine, he/she will decide
>whether to stay in Canada or move to the USA. Jobs in the USA (in
>medicine) are a lot less stressful and pay a lot more. Our family
>physicians are extremely overworked, screwed around by the government
>healthcare system, and underpaid.
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:47:00 +0000, prodigy346
<member14391@british_expats.com> wrote:
>I have no respect for doctors who think their profession was intended to
>be a money making opportunity.
I don't think that's the issue for many of them. The issue is getting
screwed around by the government. How would you like it if you
performed a procedure on a patient. Then the government finds a
loophole and doesn't want to pay you? (or simply just doesn't want to
pay you without a loophole).
Our doctors leave and for good reason. It's rarely the money.
[although spending 10 years in University and I'd want to get paid big
bucks!! who wouldn't?]
Socialized healthcare has a lot of positives. But it has a lot of
negatives. If you want cheaper healthcare then it is definately the
way to go. But if you get cancer and want treatment in a timely
manner, then the Canadian healthcare system isn't for you.
I think the Canadian healthcare system is great for people who are
healthy. But when you are gravely ill, it is the worst healthcare
system in the g-7.
>Originally posted by
>Ttjjekk119234
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:20:40 +0000, Tam
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> Well, you get what you pay
>> >> for. And the Canadian healthcare system is
>> >> in
>very poor condition.
>> >> That includes most areas in Canada
>that have
>> >> no family doctors that
>> >> are
>accepting patients. So when you come to
>> >> Canada, ensure
>that the
>> >> area that you move to has family doctors
>>> accepting patients. To put
>> >> it intol reality, the
>city I live does not
>> >> have a single family doctor
>>> available--a city of nearly 400,000+.
>> >
>>Some people say that the 16 accredited Canadian medical schools are
>better
>> >than any of the 126 American medical schools. But
>what do I know; I never go
>> >to the doctor myself.
>>
>..and once a Canadian earns a degree in medicine, he/she will decide
>whether to stay in Canada or move to the USA. Jobs in the USA (in
>medicine) are a lot less stressful and pay a lot more. Our family
>physicians are extremely overworked, screwed around by the government
>healthcare system, and underpaid.
Mar 14th 2004, 12:21 am
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Re: Any US Applicants?
I always hear that about 43 million Americans are uninsured. This number is more than the entire population of Canada! Is it not a bit scary to believe that the US healthcare system is so perfect? I have heard many stories of Americans who have died of stroke or of causes related to high blood pressure or heart disease, that could have been prevented, if they could afford medication of just $1.00 a day, i.e. if they were insured? How sad?
Originally posted by zinc65
Is it not true that the average life expectancy for Canadians is higher than the average for US citizens, meaning that the Canadian healthcare system is not such a terrible failure? 79 vs. 75?
Is it not true that the average life expectancy for Canadians is higher than the average for US citizens, meaning that the Canadian healthcare system is not such a terrible failure? 79 vs. 75?
Mar 17th 2004, 3:39 am
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Re: Any US Applicants?
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:21:49 +0000, zinc65
<member20166@british_expats.com> wrote:
>I always hear that about 43 million Americans are uninsured. This number
>is more than the entire population of Canada! Is it not a bit scary to
>believe that the US healthcare system is so perfect? I have heard many
>stories of Americans who have died of stroke or of causes related to
>high blood pressure or heart disease, that could have been prevented, if
>they could afford medication of just $1.00 a day, i.e. if they were
>insured? How sad?
I don't believe I ever said the US system was great. I said that one
system (Canadian) is better when you're healthy. And the other system
(US) is better if you are (very) ill.
Regardless, keep in mind that there is a very critical shortage of
family doctors in Canada. When cities of 400,000 people do not have
family doctors, that should tell you a lot.
>Originally posted by zinc65
>Is it
>not true that the average life expectancy for Canadians is higher than
>the average for US citizens, meaning that the Canadian healthcare system
>is not such a terrible failure? 79 vs. 75?
<member20166@british_expats.com> wrote:
>I always hear that about 43 million Americans are uninsured. This number
>is more than the entire population of Canada! Is it not a bit scary to
>believe that the US healthcare system is so perfect? I have heard many
>stories of Americans who have died of stroke or of causes related to
>high blood pressure or heart disease, that could have been prevented, if
>they could afford medication of just $1.00 a day, i.e. if they were
>insured? How sad?
I don't believe I ever said the US system was great. I said that one
system (Canadian) is better when you're healthy. And the other system
(US) is better if you are (very) ill.
Regardless, keep in mind that there is a very critical shortage of
family doctors in Canada. When cities of 400,000 people do not have
family doctors, that should tell you a lot.
>Originally posted by zinc65
>Is it
>not true that the average life expectancy for Canadians is higher than
>the average for US citizens, meaning that the Canadian healthcare system
>is not such a terrible failure? 79 vs. 75?
Mar 17th 2004, 1:08 pm
#19
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Re: Any US Applicants?
Just to express my opinion and not to refute yours. I personnally believe the lack of doctors in Canada is not caused by the healthcare system per se - similar system works in the UK. I believe there is shortage of skill in that area caused by inadequate number of med grads, or movement of docs to the US for better compensation, ie to enjoy the $250k starting salaries.
If you are very sick in the US and have no job (probably could not also afford private insurance premium) then you will either suffer the pain, or if you ever got treated, you'd be left technically bankrupt.
My own experience: I do have a job and therefore have insurance through employer covering 90% (just been changed, used to be 100%). Now my wife had a prematured baby by caeserian. Baby stayed in hospital for just 2 weeks. Guess what my bill was? Hospital costs alone, $35k. I have been bombarded from left and right with bills, some even threatening to charge against my credit. Bills from lab tests, neonatologists, anaesthesiologies, surgeons, and you name it. Do I file for bankruptcy? No I will face the bills head-on.
If you are very sick in the US and have no job (probably could not also afford private insurance premium) then you will either suffer the pain, or if you ever got treated, you'd be left technically bankrupt.
My own experience: I do have a job and therefore have insurance through employer covering 90% (just been changed, used to be 100%). Now my wife had a prematured baby by caeserian. Baby stayed in hospital for just 2 weeks. Guess what my bill was? Hospital costs alone, $35k. I have been bombarded from left and right with bills, some even threatening to charge against my credit. Bills from lab tests, neonatologists, anaesthesiologies, surgeons, and you name it. Do I file for bankruptcy? No I will face the bills head-on.
Originally posted by Ttjjekk119234
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:21:49 +0000, zinc65
<member20166@british_expats.com> wrote:
>I always hear that about 43 million Americans are uninsured. This number
>is more than the entire population of Canada! Is it not a bit scary to
>believe that the US healthcare system is so perfect? I have heard many
>stories of Americans who have died of stroke or of causes related to
>high blood pressure or heart disease, that could have been prevented, if
>they could afford medication of just $1.00 a day, i.e. if they were
>insured? How sad?
I don't believe I ever said the US system was great. I said that one
system (Canadian) is better when you're healthy. And the other system
(US) is better if you are (very) ill.
Regardless, keep in mind that there is a very critical shortage of
family doctors in Canada. When cities of 400,000 people do not have
family doctors, that should tell you a lot.
>Originally posted by zinc65
>Is it
>not true that the average life expectancy for Canadians is higher than
>the average for US citizens, meaning that the Canadian healthcare system
>is not such a terrible failure? 79 vs. 75?
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:21:49 +0000, zinc65
<member20166@british_expats.com> wrote:
>I always hear that about 43 million Americans are uninsured. This number
>is more than the entire population of Canada! Is it not a bit scary to
>believe that the US healthcare system is so perfect? I have heard many
>stories of Americans who have died of stroke or of causes related to
>high blood pressure or heart disease, that could have been prevented, if
>they could afford medication of just $1.00 a day, i.e. if they were
>insured? How sad?
I don't believe I ever said the US system was great. I said that one
system (Canadian) is better when you're healthy. And the other system
(US) is better if you are (very) ill.
Regardless, keep in mind that there is a very critical shortage of
family doctors in Canada. When cities of 400,000 people do not have
family doctors, that should tell you a lot.
>Originally posted by zinc65
>Is it
>not true that the average life expectancy for Canadians is higher than
>the average for US citizens, meaning that the Canadian healthcare system
>is not such a terrible failure? 79 vs. 75?
Mar 19th 2004, 2:29 pm
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Re: Any US Applicants?
On 17/3/04 14:08, in article [email protected], "zinc65"
<member20166@british_expats.com> wrote:
> Do I file for bankruptcy? No I will face the bills head-on.
No decent bankruptcy lawyer would assist you in filing with just $3,500 in
debts.
But you were lucky: because you have insurance, the level of charges was
capped. People without any insurance get charged two to four times what you
were charged, for the same care. No wonder they run up bills in the
$100,000s and have to file bankruptcy.
And people do go without. My sister-in-law, who lives in California, goes
without her prescription medicine except when she can get it from Canada or
Mexico. Otherwise it's a choice between medicine and food.
<member20166@british_expats.com> wrote:
> Do I file for bankruptcy? No I will face the bills head-on.
No decent bankruptcy lawyer would assist you in filing with just $3,500 in
debts.
But you were lucky: because you have insurance, the level of charges was
capped. People without any insurance get charged two to four times what you
were charged, for the same care. No wonder they run up bills in the
$100,000s and have to file bankruptcy.
And people do go without. My sister-in-law, who lives in California, goes
without her prescription medicine except when she can get it from Canada or
Mexico. Otherwise it's a choice between medicine and food.
Mar 19th 2004, 7:33 pm
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Re: Any US Applicants?
Tam: my expense was in excess of $3500. Mind you $35k was the bill from the hospital only. The neonatologist brought her own separate bill, my wife's OB his own bill, another surgeon his own bill, the anaesthesiologist his own bill, lab test bills for preemie baby, and the list goes on. And I know my credit will never be the same.....
Originally posted by Tam
On 17/3/04 14:08, in article [email protected], "zinc65"
<member20166@british_expats.com> wrote:
> Do I file for bankruptcy? No I will face the bills head-on.
No decent bankruptcy lawyer would assist you in filing with just $3,500 in
debts.
But you were lucky: because you have insurance, the level of charges was
capped. People without any insurance get charged two to four times what you
were charged, for the same care. No wonder they run up bills in the
$100,000s and have to file bankruptcy.
And people do go without. My sister-in-law, who lives in California, goes
without her prescription medicine except when she can get it from Canada or
Mexico. Otherwise it's a choice between medicine and food.
On 17/3/04 14:08, in article [email protected], "zinc65"
<member20166@british_expats.com> wrote:
> Do I file for bankruptcy? No I will face the bills head-on.
No decent bankruptcy lawyer would assist you in filing with just $3,500 in
debts.
But you were lucky: because you have insurance, the level of charges was
capped. People without any insurance get charged two to four times what you
were charged, for the same care. No wonder they run up bills in the
$100,000s and have to file bankruptcy.
And people do go without. My sister-in-law, who lives in California, goes
without her prescription medicine except when she can get it from Canada or
Mexico. Otherwise it's a choice between medicine and food.
