hankim2

Hi Everyone!

Just like to check if there are recent cases of non-native English applicants who have been given waivers from IELTS.

I know of a case where the applicant is a Malaysian Chinese. English is his first language (although obviously non-native), and he has been raised and educated in Malaysia and Singapore (and also completed 4 years of univ studies in USA ) where English is in predominant use. In fact, English is an official language of Singapore. He studied more than 19 years with English as the medium of instruction from elementary school to university. He completed 4 years of law studies (in English) in Singapore. He has practised corporate law (in English) for more than 15 years in Singapore. As I understand it, the prevailing advice from the migration experts is to take the IELTS even for a person with his background. Just wonder if anyone with similar background has been given IELTS waiver?

Surely, it cannot be the unwritten rule (currently practised ) that only native English applicants (with simple submission explanation ) are given IELTS waivers.

Cheers

Hank

escort399

Hi,

As Mr. Andrew Miller and other experts have always advised, taking the IELTS test is the best evidence to prove ones proficiency in English specially for non native speakers and it has also been mentioned in CIC's requirement although some maybe lucky enough of not sending this proof. I have never heard of an IELTS waiver since IELTS can not vouch for anyone who didn't take the test. If a non native speaker has good command of the english language, I see no problem for him/her to take the test and be able to at least garner minimum of 7 points per band unless he/she is afraid to sit the test. For native speakers, I guess taking the test should be no problem at all.

As been always told, taking the test should provide you the peace of mind in assuring the needed 16 points.

Hope this helps and good luck.

hankim2

Hi

Thanks for the reply.


Hank

Cicero

Hakim, there are number of recent applicants here on forum reported (check the archive, please) that they did not take the IELTS test; they just provided a substitute evidence (which is also allowed). Too many people are swayed with imprecise advices from consultants that place too much unnecessary burden on applicants. It seems that the case referenced is very clear that you don't need to take the test and go through unneeded hustle since the person has a lot of materials to substantiate your claim.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hankim2

Andrew Miller

Why are you referring only to reports that you like and that support your
"theories"? There is equal number of reports in this forum from applicants
being explicitly asked for IELTS or CELPIP results.

And I wrote "theories" because it is exactly what you post here. And you
continue to insult those of us who represent hundreds of clients each year
and have experience with wide spectrum of cases, thus who can provide honest
advice based on knowledge, expertise and experience. Your "knowledge" on the
other end is based only on rumors. legends and selected by you number of
posts in this forum.

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    > Hakim, there are number of recent applicants here on forum reported
    > (check the archive, please) that they did not take the IELTS test;
    > they just provided a substitute evidence (which is also allowed).
    > Too many people are swayed with imprecise advices from consultants
    > that place too much unnecessary burden on applicants. It seems that
    > the case referenced is very clear that you don't need to take the test
    > and go through unneeded hustle since the person has a lot of materials
    > to substantiate your claim.
    > Originally posted by
    > hankim2
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Cicero

I don't have much time to waste on you.

Some people need to take IELTS, some don't. Read the background of the person above before you open your mouth next time.

Your problem is that you mostly want to put everyone in the cookie- cuter solutions and place the burden on the applicant to gather needed - or maybe unneeded - information. Next, I don't say ALL consultants or people, but definitely you are the one who is too much and often unreasonably pushing for taking the IELST in most of the situations. Certainly, the examples that someone was refused because of not taking IELST are lacking on this forum (I have not seen any); there are situations when people are asked to supplement evidence but that could be the case for many other situations.

So, many people with less background in the English language have passed without taking the IELTS recently. You are confusing people, recently someone who is a native English or American asked about taking the test.

Also, in different situation for example, it is well known on the forum that you had been advising people who have less than minimum - not to apply. Although that could be sound advise for some situations, it does not work for every in the way that you had been pushing. Not everything in this process is purely rational, mathematically precise but there are rooms for interpretation although you need to follow the rules. When the point margins decreased - they were fine and many people who have listened your advice did not even apply.