"cultural activity"
May 11th 2003, 11:19 pm
#1
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"cultural activity"
What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
May 11th 2003, 11:47 pm
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Re: "cultural activity"
Wayne wrote:
>
> What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
> me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
> of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
At a world class level means "internationally recognized"
Cultural activity is largely "entertainment"
This therefore covers entertainers.
>
> What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
> me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
> of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
At a world class level means "internationally recognized"
Cultural activity is largely "entertainment"
This therefore covers entertainers.
May 12th 2003, 1:03 am
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Re: "cultural activity"
One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural field -
it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who turned
into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web designer
who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify but
a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the movie
is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but a
masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician maintaining
instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to those
who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by their
participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
achievements in cultural or athletic field.
Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what achievements
you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed category.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Wayne" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
> me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
> of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who turned
into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web designer
who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify but
a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the movie
is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but a
masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician maintaining
instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to those
who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by their
participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
achievements in cultural or athletic field.
Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what achievements
you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed category.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Wayne" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
> me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
> of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
May 12th 2003, 6:59 pm
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Re: "cultural activity"
you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
work
is artistic in nature....
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural field -
> it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
> show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
> There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who
turned
> into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web designer
> who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
> technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify
but
> a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the
movie
> is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but a
> masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
> trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
> musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician maintaining
> instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
> Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to those
> who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by their
> participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
> achievements in cultural or athletic field.
> Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what
achievements
> you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed category.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> ________________________________
> "Wayne" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> > self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> > activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> > somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
> > me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
> > of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
work
is artistic in nature....
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural field -
> it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
> show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
> There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who
turned
> into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web designer
> who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
> technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify
but
> a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the
movie
> is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but a
> masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
> trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
> musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician maintaining
> instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
> Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to those
> who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by their
> participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
> achievements in cultural or athletic field.
> Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what
achievements
> you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed category.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> ________________________________
> "Wayne" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> > self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> > activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> > somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
> > me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
> > of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
May 12th 2003, 8:19 pm
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Re: "cultural activity"
kurakot wrote:
>
> you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
> work
> is artistic in nature....
If you were Hair *stylist* to an internationally renown model or
actress, you might get away with it ... but as for a High Street
Hairdresser ... nope.
>
> you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
> work
> is artistic in nature....
If you were Hair *stylist* to an internationally renown model or
actress, you might get away with it ... but as for a High Street
Hairdresser ... nope.
May 12th 2003, 8:26 pm
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Re: "cultural activity"
No, hairdressers are not artists. If hairdresser participated in hair
styling international competitions and has some diplomas/awards/achievements
as a result then it may give some chance, although it would really be
stretching.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"kurakot" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
> work
> is artistic in nature....
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural
field -
> > it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
> > show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
> >
> > There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who
> turned
> > into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web
designer
> > who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
> > technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify
> but
> > a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the
> movie
> > is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but
a
> > masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
> > trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
> > musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician
maintaining
> > instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
> >
> > Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to
those
> > who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by
their
> > participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
> > achievements in cultural or athletic field.
> >
> > Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what
> achievements
> > you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed
category.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Wayne" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> > > self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> > > activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> > > somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems
to
> > > me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a
list
> > > of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
> >
> >
styling international competitions and has some diplomas/awards/achievements
as a result then it may give some chance, although it would really be
stretching.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"kurakot" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
> work
> is artistic in nature....
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural
field -
> > it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
> > show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
> >
> > There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who
> turned
> > into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web
designer
> > who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
> > technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify
> but
> > a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the
> movie
> > is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but
a
> > masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
> > trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
> > musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician
maintaining
> > instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
> >
> > Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to
those
> > who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by
their
> > participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
> > achievements in cultural or athletic field.
> >
> > Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what
> achievements
> > you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed
category.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Wayne" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> > > self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> > > activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> > > somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems
to
> > > me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a
list
> > > of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
> >
> >
May 12th 2003, 8:37 pm
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Re: "cultural activity"
"kurakot" wrote in message news:...
> you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
> work
> is artistic in nature....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural field -
> > it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
> > show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
> >
> > There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who
> turned
> > into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web designer
> > who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
> > technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify
> but
> > a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the
> movie
> > is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but a
> > masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
> > trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
> > musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician maintaining
> > instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
> >
> > Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to those
> > who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by their
> > participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
> > achievements in cultural or athletic field.
> >
> > Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what
> achievements
> > you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed category.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Wayne" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> > > self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> > > activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> > > somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
> > > me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
> > > of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
> >
> >
While it may be artisic in a sense, hairdressing that is, I think you
will have a hardtime persuading a visa a officer it is and the are the
final arbiter of what is artistic and what is not. Dream on.
Jim Metcalfe
> you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
> work
> is artistic in nature....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural field -
> > it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
> > show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
> >
> > There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who
> turned
> > into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web designer
> > who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
> > technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify
> but
> > a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the
> movie
> > is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but a
> > masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
> > trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
> > musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician maintaining
> > instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
> >
> > Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to those
> > who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by their
> > participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
> > achievements in cultural or athletic field.
> >
> > Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what
> achievements
> > you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed category.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Wayne" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > What is the definition of "cultural activity" for the purposes of
> > > self-employed immigration? How about "world class level" that the
> > > activity is supposed to be performed at? (I thought I read that
> > > somewhere at the CIC website though I cant find it right now). Seems to
> > > me that these terms are pretty ambiguous and subjective. Is there a list
> > > of occupations that fit the definition, or those that dont?
> >
> >
While it may be artisic in a sense, hairdressing that is, I think you
will have a hardtime persuading a visa a officer it is and the are the
final arbiter of what is artistic and what is not. Dream on.
Jim Metcalfe
May 12th 2003, 8:56 pm
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Re: "cultural activity"
How do you know Mr. Idiot Brooks? Are you an expert?
>Subject: Re: "cultural activity"
>From: S B [email protected]
>Date: 5/12/03 5:19 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>kurakot wrote:
>>
>> you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
>> work
>> is artistic in nature....
>If you were Hair *stylist* to an internationally renown model or
>actress, you might get away with it ... but as for a High Street
>Hairdresser ... nope.
>Subject: Re: "cultural activity"
>From: S B [email protected]
>Date: 5/12/03 5:19 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>kurakot wrote:
>>
>> you've mentioned HAIRDRESSER will not qualify under this category.....the
>> work
>> is artistic in nature....
>If you were Hair *stylist* to an internationally renown model or
>actress, you might get away with it ... but as for a High Street
>Hairdresser ... nope.
May 12th 2003, 11:53 pm
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Re: "cultural activity"
Andrew Miller wrote:
>
> One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural field -
> it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
> show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
>
> There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who turned
> into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web designer
> who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
> technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify but
> a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the movie
> is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but a
> masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
> trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
> musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician maintaining
> instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
>
> Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to those
> who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by their
> participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
> achievements in cultural or athletic field.
>
> Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what achievements
> you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed category.
I dont think what i do now qualifies me, which is why I asked. I want to
know what to work on if I decide I want to go the self-employed route.
It may not be my best option, although I am sefl-employed and have been
for years. I have at various times been self-employed as a biological
consultant, photographer, and plan to write for income in the near
future, but the one that pays the bills currently is the consulting,
which wont qualify. The writing is something that will bring in income
soon, I hope, but wont support me for some time. Even in the long-term,
it will probably only supplement my consulting income. In fact, my real
aim is to do some consulting and some writing. I dont plan to pursue
photography commercially
I would probably have better luck going the skilled worker route, but
that leaves me a dilemna. If I have to get a job offer first (or learn
French, I miss the 75 score w/out one or the other), it will make it
difficult or impossible to do the consulting work that I really want to
continue. Does this mean I have to change my career plans or is there
some other way? I suppose I dont have to stay at the job forever if I
get admitted as a skilled worker. I do know someone who will offer me a
job once their business starts up this summer
>
> One must be self-employed (and make a living that way) in cultural field -
> it applies to all those who are self-employed entertainers, artists,
> show/movie directors, writers, composers, etc.
>
> There is a lot of confusion here and for example a graphic artist who turned
> into web designer may still be meeting the definition, but a web designer
> who is only a programmer (but not a graphic artist) will not qualify. A
> technician or engineer maintaining movie set equipment will not qualify but
> a cameraman (camera director) will as long as his contribution to the movie
> is artistic, not technical in the nature. Choreographer will qualify but a
> masseur will not. Circus acrobat may qualify, but person who maintains
> trapeze and other equipment in same circus there will not. A singer or
> musician in the band will qualify, while electronic technician maintaining
> instruments will not, etc., etc., etc.
>
> Participation at world class level in cultural activities applies to those
> who are not self-employed in cultural or athletic field, but who by their
> participation in world class events have demonstrated their skills and
> achievements in cultural or athletic field.
>
> Simply tell us what you do, how recognized you are and/or what achievements
> you have and I will tell you if you may qualify in self-employed category.
I dont think what i do now qualifies me, which is why I asked. I want to
know what to work on if I decide I want to go the self-employed route.
It may not be my best option, although I am sefl-employed and have been
for years. I have at various times been self-employed as a biological
consultant, photographer, and plan to write for income in the near
future, but the one that pays the bills currently is the consulting,
which wont qualify. The writing is something that will bring in income
soon, I hope, but wont support me for some time. Even in the long-term,
it will probably only supplement my consulting income. In fact, my real
aim is to do some consulting and some writing. I dont plan to pursue
photography commercially
I would probably have better luck going the skilled worker route, but
that leaves me a dilemna. If I have to get a job offer first (or learn
French, I miss the 75 score w/out one or the other), it will make it
difficult or impossible to do the consulting work that I really want to
continue. Does this mean I have to change my career plans or is there
some other way? I suppose I dont have to stay at the job forever if I
get admitted as a skilled worker. I do know someone who will offer me a
job once their business starts up this summer
