William

I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.

I heard from someone that I can send the complete application WITHOUT
the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when they
come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
number right away.

The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and FBI
clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time by
filing the application right away.

Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
similar successful experience.

Thanks so much for your advice.

regards
william

Jim Humphries

You will have to check the website for the visa office you will be applying
to. There are different rules for different situations.
--
Jim Humphries, former visa officer
"William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.
    > I heard from someone that I can send the complete application WITHOUT
    > the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when they
    > come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
    > number right away.
    > The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and FBI
    > clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time by
    > filing the application right away.
    > Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
    > similar successful experience.
    > Thanks so much for your advice.
    > regards
    > william

Andrew Miller

You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required documents as per
specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It may get file
number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of documents. Don't
waste your time, you won't speed up anything.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.
    > I heard from someone that I can send the complete application WITHOUT
    > the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when they
    > come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
    > number right away.
    > The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and FBI
    > clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time by
    > filing the application right away.
    > Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
    > similar successful experience.
    > Thanks so much for your advice.
    > regards
    > william

Art

Dear Andrew,

Does the same also apply for a spousal sponsored PR visa applying from
abroad (Japan)? I am still awaiting for my wife's RCMP background check as
it is the one that is holding up the process. Would it be best for me to
wait for the background check to come back before submitting the entire
package, or could I send in everything else now(minus the background check
papers) and send the RCMP papers later when I receive them? Is there any
benefit to the latter process?

THanks and best regards,
Art

"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Q7kLb.97031$6b2.36662@edtnps84...
    > You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required documents as per
    > specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It may get file
    > number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of documents. Don't
    > waste your time, you won't speed up anything.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.
    > >
    > > I heard from someone that I can send the complete application WITHOUT
    > > the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when they
    > > come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
    > > number right away.
    > >
    > > The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and FBI
    > > clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time by
    > > filing the application right away.
    > >
    > > Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
    > > similar successful experience.
    > >
    > > Thanks so much for your advice.
    > >
    > > regards
    > > william

Bhaskar

"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<Q7kLb.97031$6b2.36662@edtnps84>...
    > You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required documents as per
    > specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It may get file
    > number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of documents. Don't
    > waste your time, you won't speed up anything.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

wont it go into the queue which is anyway more than 6 months.
Meanwhile one can add the police clearance.

Andrew Miller

No, incomplete application will not go into any "queue". Depending what
documents are missing there are two possibilities as per Immigration
Manual - (1) entire application is returned, no file number created and no
record kept, or (2) file number is created, letter requesting missing
documents mailed and case is put on hold without entering into the process.
So, no "queue" at all my friend.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Bhaskar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<Q7kLb.97031$6b2.36662@edtnps84>...
    > > You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required documents as per
    > > specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It may get file
    > > number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of documents.
Don't
    > > waste your time, you won't speed up anything.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > wont it go into the queue which is anyway more than 6 months.
    > Meanwhile one can add the police clearance.

Art

Does Andrew or anyone else know?

Thanks

"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4HmLb.28920$X%5.20355@pd7tw2no...
    > Dear Andrew,
    > Does the same also apply for a spousal sponsored PR visa applying from
    > abroad (Japan)? I am still awaiting for my wife's RCMP background check
as
    > it is the one that is holding up the process. Would it be best for me to
    > wait for the background check to come back before submitting the entire
    > package, or could I send in everything else now(minus the background check
    > papers) and send the RCMP papers later when I receive them? Is there any
    > benefit to the latter process?
    > THanks and best regards,
    > Art
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:Q7kLb.97031$6b2.36662@edtnps84...
    > > You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required documents as per
    > > specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It may get file
    > > number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of documents.
Don't
    > > waste your time, you won't speed up anything.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.
    > > >
    > > > I heard from someone that I can send the complete application WITHOUT
    > > > the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when they
    > > > come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
    > > > number right away.
    > > >
    > > > The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and FBI
    > > > clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time by
    > > > filing the application right away.
    > > >
    > > > Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
    > > > similar successful experience.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks so much for your advice.
    > > >
    > > > regards
    > > > william
    > >
    > >

Ashok

1) when is letter for missing documents issued, while issueing file number? or Visa office takes its own time to pull out the file somewhere down the line , and than asks for balance documents , assign some new BFD , thereby file automatically enters into slow lane.

2) In case E Client says "In Process" Does that mean file is in queue and Visa office is satisfied with the attached documentation .

Renee

It's probably the same for everyone. Spouses may get priority, but I don't
think an incomplete application would have any different rules just because
it's a family class.

On a side note, I just wanted to wish you the best. You and I were talking
in the summer about your wife's visa, and I can't believe you still haven't
been able to submit the package! I don't know how you're managing to be
separated for this long. I did it when we were engaged, but after the
wedding, I don't think I could deal with it.

Good luck! Hope the RCMP comes through for you soon!

Renee

--
Inland Spouse Timeline so far (U.S. Citizen):
19 Feb 2003: Moved to Calgary from U.S. on 6 month TRV
12 May 2003: Did medicals in Calgary
20 June 2003: Applied for TRV extension
5 July 2003: Wedding Date
17 July 2003: CIC received inland spouse PR application
15 Aug 2003: Received 6 month TRV extension
20 Aug 2003: CIC request for work history dates (which were sent with
application)
21 Aug 2003: CIC received work history reply by overnight post
4 Sept 2003: CIC e-Client finally shows "in process"


"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:2ZzLb.34803$JQ1.27708@pd7tw1no...
    > Does Andrew or anyone else know?
    > Thanks
    > "Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:4HmLb.28920$X%5.20355@pd7tw2no...
    > > Dear Andrew,
    > >
    > > Does the same also apply for a spousal sponsored PR visa applying from
    > > abroad (Japan)? I am still awaiting for my wife's RCMP background check
    > as
    > > it is the one that is holding up the process. Would it be best for me to
    > > wait for the background check to come back before submitting the entire
    > > package, or could I send in everything else now(minus the background
check
    > > papers) and send the RCMP papers later when I receive them? Is there any
    > > benefit to the latter process?
    > >
    > > THanks and best regards,
    > > Art
    > >
    > > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:Q7kLb.97031$6b2.36662@edtnps84...
    > > > You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required documents as
per
    > > > specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It may get
file
    > > > number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of documents.
    > Don't
    > > > waste your time, you won't speed up anything.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ../..
    > > >
    > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > ________________________________
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.
    > > > >
    > > > > I heard from someone that I can send the complete application
WITHOUT
    > > > > the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when they
    > > > > come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
    > > > > number right away.
    > > > >
    > > > > The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and FBI
    > > > > clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time by
    > > > > filing the application right away.
    > > > >
    > > > > Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
    > > > > similar successful experience.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks so much for your advice.
    > > > >
    > > > > regards
    > > > > william
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >

Andrew Miller

1. Please read Immigration Manual. Such incomplete file will not "enter
into" any lane.

2. No. It doesn't mean it at all.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Ashok" <member18804@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > 1) when is letter for missing documents issued, while issueing
    > file number? or Visa office takes its own time to pull out the
    > file somewhere down the line , and than asks for balance
    > documents , assign some new BFD , thereby file automatically
    > enters into slow lane.
    > 2) In case E Client says "In Process" Does that mean file is in queue
    > and Visa office is satisfied with the attached documentation .
    > Originally posted by Andrew Miller
    > > No, incomplete application will not go into any "queue".
    > > Depending what
    > > documents are missing there are two possibilities as per Immigration
    > > Manual - (1) entire application is returned, no file number
    > > created and no
    > > record kept, or (2) file number is created, letter requesting missing
    > > documents mailed and case is put on hold without entering into the
    > > process.
    > > So, no "queue" at all my friend.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Bhaskar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]"]news:d57d-
    > > [email protected][/url]...
    > > > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > message
    > > news:<Q7kLb.97031$6b2.36662@edtnps84>...
    > > > > You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required
    > > documents as per
    > > > > specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It
    > > may get file
    > > > > number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of
    > > documents.
    > > Don't
    > > > > waste your time, you won't speed up anything.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending
    > > email)
    > > > wont it go into the queue which is anyway more than 6
    > > months.
    > > Meanwhile one can add the police clearance.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Art

Hello Renee,

Yes, its been a while since I submitted the RCMP papers, and low and behold
today I recieved the RCMP clearance papers back from the RCMP. That would be
about 4+ months to process in my case as my papers were entered into the
RCMP database in early Sept. Now I can finally submit my package. Now the
other waiting game from CIC will be here. Best of luck to both of us.

-Art


"Renee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:J2ALb.35983$ts4.405@pd7tw3no...
    > It's probably the same for everyone. Spouses may get priority, but I
don't
    > think an incomplete application would have any different rules just
because
    > it's a family class.
    > On a side note, I just wanted to wish you the best. You and I were
talking
    > in the summer about your wife's visa, and I can't believe you still
haven't
    > been able to submit the package! I don't know how you're managing to be
    > separated for this long. I did it when we were engaged, but after the
    > wedding, I don't think I could deal with it.
    > Good luck! Hope the RCMP comes through for you soon!
    > Renee
    > --
    > Inland Spouse Timeline so far (U.S. Citizen):
    > 19 Feb 2003: Moved to Calgary from U.S. on 6 month TRV
    > 12 May 2003: Did medicals in Calgary
    > 20 June 2003: Applied for TRV extension
    > 5 July 2003: Wedding Date
    > 17 July 2003: CIC received inland spouse PR application
    > 15 Aug 2003: Received 6 month TRV extension
    > 20 Aug 2003: CIC request for work history dates (which were sent with
    > application)
    > 21 Aug 2003: CIC received work history reply by overnight post
    > 4 Sept 2003: CIC e-Client finally shows "in process"
    > "Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:2ZzLb.34803$JQ1.27708@pd7tw1no...
    > > Does Andrew or anyone else know?
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > "Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:4HmLb.28920$X%5.20355@pd7tw2no...
    > > > Dear Andrew,
    > > >
    > > > Does the same also apply for a spousal sponsored PR visa applying from
    > > > abroad (Japan)? I am still awaiting for my wife's RCMP background
check
    > > as
    > > > it is the one that is holding up the process. Would it be best for me
to
    > > > wait for the background check to come back before submitting the
entire
    > > > package, or could I send in everything else now(minus the background
    > check
    > > > papers) and send the RCMP papers later when I receive them? Is there
any
    > > > benefit to the latter process?
    > > >
    > > > THanks and best regards,
    > > > Art
    > > >
    > > > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:Q7kLb.97031$6b2.36662@edtnps84...
    > > > > You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required documents as
    > per
    > > > > specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It may get
    > file
    > > > > number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of documents.
    > > Don't
    > > > > waste your time, you won't speed up anything.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > > ________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I heard from someone that I can send the complete application
    > WITHOUT
    > > > > > the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when
they
    > > > > > come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
    > > > > > number right away.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and
FBI
    > > > > > clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time
by
    > > > > > filing the application right away.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
    > > > > > similar successful experience.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks so much for your advice.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > regards
    > > > > > william
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >

Art

Another interesting fact was that the RCMP returned the money order I made
out to process the background check as the RCMP locally instructed us to
do... but was notified in the package coming back to me that there is no
charge for background checks for immigration process which I guess is why
there is such a long wait time? Now the question is will the post office
refund the money order back to me? Does anyone know and how this is done?


"Renee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:J2ALb.35983$ts4.405@pd7tw3no...
    > It's probably the same for everyone. Spouses may get priority, but I
don't
    > think an incomplete application would have any different rules just
because
    > it's a family class.
    > On a side note, I just wanted to wish you the best. You and I were
talking
    > in the summer about your wife's visa, and I can't believe you still
haven't
    > been able to submit the package! I don't know how you're managing to be
    > separated for this long. I did it when we were engaged, but after the
    > wedding, I don't think I could deal with it.
    > Good luck! Hope the RCMP comes through for you soon!
    > Renee
    > --
    > Inland Spouse Timeline so far (U.S. Citizen):
    > 19 Feb 2003: Moved to Calgary from U.S. on 6 month TRV
    > 12 May 2003: Did medicals in Calgary
    > 20 June 2003: Applied for TRV extension
    > 5 July 2003: Wedding Date
    > 17 July 2003: CIC received inland spouse PR application
    > 15 Aug 2003: Received 6 month TRV extension
    > 20 Aug 2003: CIC request for work history dates (which were sent with
    > application)
    > 21 Aug 2003: CIC received work history reply by overnight post
    > 4 Sept 2003: CIC e-Client finally shows "in process"
    > "Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:2ZzLb.34803$JQ1.27708@pd7tw1no...
    > > Does Andrew or anyone else know?
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > "Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:4HmLb.28920$X%5.20355@pd7tw2no...
    > > > Dear Andrew,
    > > >
    > > > Does the same also apply for a spousal sponsored PR visa applying from
    > > > abroad (Japan)? I am still awaiting for my wife's RCMP background
check
    > > as
    > > > it is the one that is holding up the process. Would it be best for me
to
    > > > wait for the background check to come back before submitting the
entire
    > > > package, or could I send in everything else now(minus the background
    > check
    > > > papers) and send the RCMP papers later when I receive them? Is there
any
    > > > benefit to the latter process?
    > > >
    > > > THanks and best regards,
    > > > Art
    > > >
    > > > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:Q7kLb.97031$6b2.36662@edtnps84...
    > > > > You heard wrong. Application without ***all*** required documents as
    > per
    > > > > specific visa post's requirements will not be processed. It may get
    > file
    > > > > number but will be put on the shelf and wait for rest of documents.
    > > Don't
    > > > > waste your time, you won't speed up anything.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > > ________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I heard from someone that I can send the complete application
    > WITHOUT
    > > > > > the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when
they
    > > > > > come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
    > > > > > number right away.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and
FBI
    > > > > > clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time
by
    > > > > > filing the application right away.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
    > > > > > similar successful experience.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks so much for your advice.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > regards
    > > > > > william
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >

rangermarc

Dear William,

Yes, you may submit your complete application now and send the police clearance at a later stage of the process. Our firm proceed this way often.

Regards,

Marc-André Ranger
Program Manager - Internet Immigration
Member of the Canadian Association of Paralegal
___________
Harvey & Associates, Attorneys at Law
288 St-Jacques Street, 3rd floor
Montreal, Québec
Canada, H3Y 1N1
Phone: (514) 982-9982
Fax: (514) 982-9983
--
[email protected]
http://www.immigrationfirm.ca




--

Pmm

Hi Rangermarc

"rangermarc" <member19776@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Dear William,
    > Yes, you may submit your complete application now and send the
    > police clearance at a later stage of the process. Our firm proceed
    > this way often.
    > Regards,
    > Marc-André Ranger
    > Program Manager - Internet Immigration
    > Member of the Canadian Association of Paralegal
    > ___________
    > Harvey & Associates, Attorneys at Law
    > 288 St-Jacques Street, 3rd floor
    > Montreal, Québec
    > Canada, H3Y 1N1
    > Phone: (514) 982-9982
    > Fax: (514) 982-9983
    > --
    > [email protected]
    > http://www.immigrationfirm.ca
    > --
    > Originally posted by William
    > > I plan to apply for Canadian Permanent Residence.
    > >
    > > I heard from someone that I can send the complete application WITHOUT
    > > the Police Clearance certificates and furnish these later when they
    > > come by. This will ensure that my application gets a file receipt
    > > number right away.
    > >
    > > The reason I ask is that Indian Police clearance certificate and FBI
    > > clearance could easily take 2-3 months and I could save this time by
    > > filing the application right away.
    > >
    > > Please let me know if this is acceptable and if someone has had a
    > > similar successful experience.
    > >
    > > Thanks so much for your advice.Marc-André Ranger
    > > Program Manager - Internet Immigration
    > > Member of the Canadian Association of Paralegal
    > > ___________
    > > Harvey & Associates, Attorneys at Law
    > > 288 St-Jacques Street, 3rd floor
    > > Montreal, Québec
    > > Canada, H3Y 1N1
    > > Phone: (514) 982-9982
    > > Fax: (514) 982-9983
    > > --
    > > [email protected]
    > > http://www.immigrationfirm.ca
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > regards
    > william
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Bad advice, suggest you read the OP Manual about incomplete applications.

PMM

Ashok

Thanks for the advice and correcting a normally preassumed notion. I will try to lay my hands on this roughly 70$ immigration manual or CD (If I can, currently I am in India)

This makes it clear why it is important to send complete file and ofcourse hire a good consultant. I believe it should be more important in high volume VISA posts, such as Delhi India.

**Is there a way to dig out if an application (already submitted) is regarded as complete or it just gathering dust for want of more documents.**