WHAT ARE C FORMS?
Nov 30th 2010, 9:42 am
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Re: WHAT ARE C FORMS?
OK I have just read the 'Registration of Foreigners Rules 1939'. As you might expect most of it is very dated, and apart from Hotel Registers and Form C filled in by hotels; boarding houses; Dak bungalows etc. it seems to be observed only in the breach.
Form C definately does not apply to someone staying in their own property. I am unclear whether Form A applies (if indeed it still exists).
Does anyone actually know?
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Form C definately does not apply to someone staying in their own property. I am unclear whether Form A applies (if indeed it still exists).
Does anyone actually know?
AndyD 8-)#
Form A (Parts I II III IV) is the Registration Form you fill in at the FRO for stays of more than 180 days (the Act seems to say 90 days). Part I is what you fill in, Part III is the Residential Permit they give back to you, Parts II and IV are duplicates of Pt. I.
Form B is Temporary Registration (Rule 6 - mainly for arrivals by ship I think).
Form C is Hotel Arrival Report (Rule 14 - which also covers the keeping of an hotel Register- Form F)
Form D is the Disembarkation Form you get on the plane
Form E is the Passenger Manifest
Form F is the Hotel Register (see Form C)
No need to ask a policeman - you can read it all here (warning pdf)
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P.S. The Act also defines 'tourist' - it uses a similar definition to the MHA FAQ - i.e. persons not having property or occupation.
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Nov 30th 2010, 9:55 am
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Re: WHAT ARE C FORMS?
The "registration" with regard to over 180 days is a completely different issue and absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
The "C" form MUST be completed whether you are paying for accommodation or not.
It has absolutely nothing to do with taxation whatsoever.
It is applied to all, this is absolute fact
Foreign relatives staying for a few days are required, by law, to fill out "C" forms, in theory even if they are only there for 24 hours.
This being Goa, where the rule of law long since ceased to exist, in many cases the regulations are ignored.........but that doesnt mean they dont exist! When there is a major terrorist scare, like after the Bombay attacks, woebetide those found in contravention.
No "multiple" forms, just one per person.
More information is on a "C" form, plus it goes directly to the police station in the area in which the foreigner will reside.
Red Tape? Quite probably as it was introduced by the British throughout the Empire in the run up to World War Two in order to ascertain and record the exact location of foreigners (potential enemies) in British Territory.
FACTS not supposition....................................
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The "C" form MUST be completed whether you are paying for accommodation or not.
It has absolutely nothing to do with taxation whatsoever.
It is applied to all, this is absolute fact
Foreign relatives staying for a few days are required, by law, to fill out "C" forms, in theory even if they are only there for 24 hours.
This being Goa, where the rule of law long since ceased to exist, in many cases the regulations are ignored.........but that doesnt mean they dont exist! When there is a major terrorist scare, like after the Bombay attacks, woebetide those found in contravention.
No "multiple" forms, just one per person.
More information is on a "C" form, plus it goes directly to the police station in the area in which the foreigner will reside.
Red Tape? Quite probably as it was introduced by the British throughout the Empire in the run up to World War Two in order to ascertain and record the exact location of foreigners (potential enemies) in British Territory.
FACTS not supposition....................................
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Multiple forms: I meant 'multiple' relatives. We (as many others do) stay with relatives in several locations (outside Goa) during a stay in India.
As you have seen a C Form then you must know best! but the thread title is 'What is a C Form?' so others must also not know.
I have never seen a C Form and I am sure relatives in India haven't either. So
after decades of not knowing we will continue in ignorance!!
As an afterthought what does the C Form say about owned property??
Nov 30th 2010, 9:57 am
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Re: WHAT ARE C FORMS?
The "registration" with regard to over 180 days is a completely different issue and absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
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Nov 30th 2010, 12:39 pm
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[QUOTE=a_f_d;9012295]That's what I thought, but I was wrong - it's all part of the 1939 Registration rules - read them for yourself.
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No you were not wrong Andy, this thread is about the
C FORM
Which just happens to be part of the 1939 Act with modifications to sort of suit todays situations,
WHAT I STATED EARLIER IS FACT IF YOU ARE FOREIGNER VISITING IN 2010
Hypothetical arguements and all the other aspects of the Act are fine, when you are found to be in contravention regarding the
C FORM,
By all means use them to argue with the policeman handling your case. For goodness sake, its one form to be filled out (each, of course!!!!) for your entire stay, whats the bl**dy fuss about?
Because you think you "own" your flat and think that makes you exempt??
And it says nothing about owned property because its IRRELEVANT
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AndyD 8-)#[/QUOTE
No you were not wrong Andy, this thread is about the
C FORM
Which just happens to be part of the 1939 Act with modifications to sort of suit todays situations,
WHAT I STATED EARLIER IS FACT IF YOU ARE FOREIGNER VISITING IN 2010
Hypothetical arguements and all the other aspects of the Act are fine, when you are found to be in contravention regarding the
C FORM,
By all means use them to argue with the policeman handling your case. For goodness sake, its one form to be filled out (each, of course!!!!) for your entire stay, whats the bl**dy fuss about?
Because you think you "own" your flat and think that makes you exempt??
And it says nothing about owned property because its IRRELEVANT
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Nov 30th 2010, 1:19 pm
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you should treat the C form as relavently as most of the goan guest house owners have always done which is not very or not at all or sometimes maybe but not too often in case the income tax people twig we didn't have empty rooms all seasonl like we always say we do, because at worst you might get a visit from 2 uniformed cops on a motorbike and thats only because some jealous b has snitched you up you might be taking in paying guests or just doesnt like you for some reason, and thats not just goans doing the stitching, unless of course your stockpiling fertilizer or have nigerians making quick visits all day and night every day and the mumbai ladyboys you have working are undercutting the local brothel which is owned by the mla
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Nov 30th 2010, 1:32 pm
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Johnny five - better if you don't shout.
Form C (not c form) is for hotels etc.
did you read the link?
AndyD
Form C (not c form) is for hotels etc.
did you read the link?
AndyD
Nov 30th 2010, 2:06 pm
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However J5 was partially right about the private property issue. It is covered by Foreigner (Report to Police) Order 1971 section 2. The duty is on the house holder to report, not the guest, but---but--apparently this order was ammended following protest, (unless guest is from Pakistan etc.) I can't find a reference to the official ammendment.
As the law was, when in place in 1971 it still did not cover the situation of a foreigner arriving at his own house.
Nov 30th 2010, 5:05 pm
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OK, do what you all want, quite honestly I no longer give a damn.
We are back in one of those black is white scenarios.
All the long-term let landlords I have dealt with since the early nineties have been meticulous about the C form without exception, and we have been perfectly happy to fill it in.
Try asking at your local police station who has to fill it in, I can guarantee what the answer will be.......
but as I said, I no longer care.
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We are back in one of those black is white scenarios.
All the long-term let landlords I have dealt with since the early nineties have been meticulous about the C form without exception, and we have been perfectly happy to fill it in.
Try asking at your local police station who has to fill it in, I can guarantee what the answer will be.......
but as I said, I no longer care.
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Nov 30th 2010, 5:54 pm
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OK, do what you all want, quite honestly I no longer give a damn.
We are back in one of those black is white scenarios.
All the long-term let landlords I have dealt with since the early nineties have been meticulous about the C form without exception, and we have been perfectly happy to fill it in.
Try asking at your local police station who has to fill it in, I can guarantee what the answer will be.......
but as I said, I no longer care.
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We are back in one of those black is white scenarios.
All the long-term let landlords I have dealt with since the early nineties have been meticulous about the C form without exception, and we have been perfectly happy to fill it in.
Try asking at your local police station who has to fill it in, I can guarantee what the answer will be.......
but as I said, I no longer care.
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The law I mentioned is quite different and relates to ordinary visitors to a private house; apparently before amendment the 'householder' risked 5 years in prison for not reporting a foreign visitor.
Nov 30th 2010, 11:12 pm
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Fully agree with Chris, thats why its not called "Registration of Foreigners Except Those Who Think They Might Own Property Act 1939"
Out of curiosity, who were "they" and how did "permission" creep into this anyway?
Wouldnt bother asking the Tourism Minister though, he is unlikely to know the answer and will require a hefty (hafta?) bribe to tell you so....
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Out of curiosity, who were "they" and how did "permission" creep into this anyway?
Wouldnt bother asking the Tourism Minister though, he is unlikely to know the answer and will require a hefty (hafta?) bribe to tell you so....
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Dec 1st 2010, 12:20 am
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My experience of a C form is that it is part of the registration, its a form to be filled out by the owner of the property, pretty straightforward and a requirement of anyone registering.
Dec 1st 2010, 7:26 am
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The 'fuss' was when J5 stated that the Form also applied to foreign guests of ordinary Indian house holders e.g. when Uk passport holder son visits granny in Bombay. Not so as I explained. Also the position of foreign 'owners' arriving in their own property is still a 'grey' area. Many have owned property in India before the law change and elsewhere from Goa (where probably the rule is probably sign everything just in case).
Dec 1st 2010, 7:48 am
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Perhaps we are getting a bit bogged down by the issue of these C forms. It does not really matter what the law says, if the Police say they must have them what option do you have? Personally the less I have to do with them the better. The last thing I want is a visit from them asking who is staying in our apartment. If this means filling in these forms then that is what I will do. Everyone who has a property knows that the legality of official actions means nothing. What Ministers want they get, and to hell with the law. I think it is best not to give them an excuse. Remember whenever anyone enters the country they must state their address, so they can check. Who is to say that in the future they may not use the issue of non compliance with this to refuse visas.
Dec 1st 2010, 7:58 am
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Perhaps we are getting a bit bogged down by the issue of these C forms. It does not really matter what the law says, if the Police say they must have them what option do you have? Personally the less I have to do with them the better. The last thing I want is a visit from them asking who is staying in our apartment. If this means filling in these forms then that is what I will do. Everyone who has a property knows that the legality of official actions means nothing. What Ministers want they get, and to hell with the law. I think it is best not to give them an excuse. Remember whenever anyone enters the country they must state their address, so they can check. Who is to say that in the future they may not use the issue of non compliance with this to refuse visas.
Dec 1st 2010, 9:09 am
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Perhaps we are getting a bit bogged down by the issue of these C forms. It does not really matter what the law says, if the Police say they must have them what option do you have? Personally the less I have to do with them the better. The last thing I want is a visit from them asking who is staying in our apartment. If this means filling in these forms then that is what I will do. Everyone who has a property knows that the legality of official actions means nothing. What Ministers want they get, and to hell with the law. I think it is best not to give them an excuse. Remember whenever anyone enters the country they must state their address, so they can check. Who is to say that in the future they may not use the issue of non compliance with this to refuse visas.
I had a phone call followed up by a visit from Goa CID 2 years ago and they wouldn't tell me what it was about until visiting me in person.
I was crapping myself thinking i had done something wrong.
It turned out that they where visiting everyone on our flight to ask questions about a Pakistani Suspect whos paperwork was found among the baggage on the plane even though he wasn't listed as a passenger.
Anyway they obviously knew where i was because of that form that i filled in on the plane.....but they never mentioned any c-form and where very pleasant. My partner and kids where also with me in the apartment.