British Expats

British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
-   Goa (https://britishexpats.com/forum/goa-170/)
-   -   Visa help. (https://britishexpats.com/forum/goa-170/visa-help-638490/)

k800mer Sep 2nd 2010 5:08 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 8821603)
And the latest is trying to get the Japanese to come!!

Are they to get visas on arrival?

iain492001 Sep 2nd 2010 4:00 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
In reply to k800mer - this was in the headlines Jan 2010 in the Economic Times India :-

NEW DELHI: In the midst of the introduction of new guidelines on tourist visas, the government announced tourist visa on arrival for citizens of five countries, including Japan, New Zealand and Singapore, in an effort to promote tourism.

The ministry of external affairs said that the visa on arrival plan for Finland, Japan, Luxembourg, New Zealand and Singapore would be implemented from Friday and would continue for a year on an “experimental basis.”

The visa is aimed at foreign tourists from these countries who plan their trips on a short notice, the MEA said. "Tourists can also procure their visas from the Missions/Posts in the normal course," the ministry added.

The visas given on arrival for the nationals of these five countries will have a maximum validity of 30 days with single entry facility which will be given initially by the immigration officers at Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata airports.

While announcing the new visa on arrival policy, the government also attempted to clarify the way the new visa guidelines would be implemented. Foreign missions here have sought clarification on the new visa guidelines complaining that tourists were being inconvenienced.

The official spokesperson of the ministry of external affairs clarified that the gap of two months between two visas would apply to all tourist visa holders,.

But the spokesperson said that the restriction of a two-month gap between visas will not apply to Persons of Indian origin or Overseas Citizen of India card-holders or foreigners holding business, employment, student and other categories of visa.

``The intention behind the stipulation of a gap of two months between two visits on a tourist visa is to curb the abuse/misuse of the tourist visa,’’ said a “Frequently Asked Questions Relating to Tourist Visa” posted on the home ministry website.

The FAQs further clarified that if there was a real emergency including non availability of connecting flight to the tourist’s country or any other ``exigent’’ situation, re entry within a period of two months would be allowed. But the tourist would have to get special permission from the mission.

The guidelines further said that if a foreign national applies for a tourist visa within one month of the expiry of the previous one, then the case would be referred to the ministry of home affairs for clearance. Similarly, any tourist who is allowed to come in before the two month cooling off period will have to register with the FRRO within 14 days of arrival.


The following was also reported some months later in the Business Standard :-


Visa on arrival soon for 16 more countries
Sneha Kupekar / Mumbai April 18, 2010, 0:33 IST

The ministry of external affairs may soon extend visa-on-arrival to 16 more countries including France, Germany, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, Vietnam, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Spain and the Netherlands. This facility, introduced in January 2010, is at present available to tourists who arrive from Finland, Japan, Luxembourg, New Zealand and Singapore.

The Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata airports can issue this visa.

Of the 3 million or so foreign tourists who visit India every year, about four per cent can opt for a visa on arrival. This number is expected to go up to nine per cent, about 22,500 a month, with maximum visas issued to France and Germany. It is not known if the facility will be extended to USA and UK, which remain the biggest source of tourists to India. While 16.5 per cent of tourists to India come from US, 15 per cent come from UK.

Despite about 12,500 passengers every month being eligible for visa on arrival currently, the Delhi and Mumbai airports, which together account for 45 per cent of the total air traffic in the country, receive only around 650 passengers a month who opt for this facility.

An executive of Delhi International Airport said the airport has been sounded out to this effect by the ministry. “However, we do not expect the passenger traffic to go up in the short term as awareness of such a change in rules takes time, and people need to grow confident of being granted a visa after landing,” said he. “Passengers aren’t willing to take that risk initially.”

The important question is if the airports have the infrastructure to handle the additional tourist arrivals that the extension of the facility may cause. “We had a meeting last week to discuss the issue. The present facility is expandable and we can make the necessary arrangements quickly once we get the official directive,” an executive of Mumbai International Airport said. “The official communication is expected in about two months.”

Indian nationals are granted visa on arrival in 29 countries. These include countries such as Burundi, Tanzania, Bolivia and Sri Lanka.

Minister of State for Tourism Kumari Selja had said earlier that visa on arrival will provide a boost to the tourism sector. However, tour operators are cautiously optimistic of the possibility. “Just allowing visa on arrival won’t help the sector. The government also needs to promote India as a destination in these countries. The current visa on arrival is a single-entry visa with a validity of 30 days, and a tourist can come to India only twice a year on this visa,” said Karan Anand, the head of relationships and supplier management, Cox and Kings India.


WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL BE NEXT, BUT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, "3 MILLION OR SO" FOREIGN TOURIST TO A COUNTRY AS LARGE AND DIVERSE AS INDIA IS A MERE DROP IN THE OCEAN. AT THE RATE THERE GOING WITH VISA CHANGES THAT WILL PROBABLY DWINDLE EVEN FURTHER..............:thumbdown:

k800mer Sep 2nd 2010 6:58 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by iain492001 (Post 8822647)
In reply to k800mer - this was in the headlines Jan 2010 in the Economic Times India :-

NEW DELHI: In the midst of the introduction of new guidelines on tourist visas, the government announced tourist visa on arrival for citizens of five countries, including Japan, New Zealand and Singapore, in an effort to promote tourism.

The ministry of external affairs said that the visa on arrival plan for Finland, Japan, Luxembourg, New Zealand and Singapore would be implemented from Friday and would continue for a year on an “experimental basis.”

The visa is aimed at foreign tourists from these countries who plan their trips on a short notice, the MEA said. "Tourists can also procure their visas from the Missions/Posts in the normal course," the ministry added.

The visas given on arrival for the nationals of these five countries will have a maximum validity of 30 days with single entry facility which will be given initially by the immigration officers at Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata airports.

While announcing the new visa on arrival policy, the government also attempted to clarify the way the new visa guidelines would be implemented. Foreign missions here have sought clarification on the new visa guidelines complaining that tourists were being inconvenienced.

The official spokesperson of the ministry of external affairs clarified that the gap of two months between two visas would apply to all tourist visa holders,.

But the spokesperson said that the restriction of a two-month gap between visas will not apply to Persons of Indian origin or Overseas Citizen of India card-holders or foreigners holding business, employment, student and other categories of visa.

``The intention behind the stipulation of a gap of two months between two visits on a tourist visa is to curb the abuse/misuse of the tourist visa,’’ said a “Frequently Asked Questions Relating to Tourist Visa” posted on the home ministry website.

The FAQs further clarified that if there was a real emergency including non availability of connecting flight to the tourist’s country or any other ``exigent’’ situation, re entry within a period of two months would be allowed. But the tourist would have to get special permission from the mission.

The guidelines further said that if a foreign national applies for a tourist visa within one month of the expiry of the previous one, then the case would be referred to the ministry of home affairs for clearance. Similarly, any tourist who is allowed to come in before the two month cooling off period will have to register with the FRRO within 14 days of arrival.


The following was also reported some months later in the Business Standard :-


Visa on arrival soon for 16 more countries
Sneha Kupekar / Mumbai April 18, 2010, 0:33 IST

The ministry of external affairs may soon extend visa-on-arrival to 16 more countries including France, Germany, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, Vietnam, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Spain and the Netherlands. This facility, introduced in January 2010, is at present available to tourists who arrive from Finland, Japan, Luxembourg, New Zealand and Singapore.

The Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata airports can issue this visa.

Of the 3 million or so foreign tourists who visit India every year, about four per cent can opt for a visa on arrival. This number is expected to go up to nine per cent, about 22,500 a month, with maximum visas issued to France and Germany. It is not known if the facility will be extended to USA and UK, which remain the biggest source of tourists to India. While 16.5 per cent of tourists to India come from US, 15 per cent come from UK.

Despite about 12,500 passengers every month being eligible for visa on arrival currently, the Delhi and Mumbai airports, which together account for 45 per cent of the total air traffic in the country, receive only around 650 passengers a month who opt for this facility.

An executive of Delhi International Airport said the airport has been sounded out to this effect by the ministry. “However, we do not expect the passenger traffic to go up in the short term as awareness of such a change in rules takes time, and people need to grow confident of being granted a visa after landing,” said he. “Passengers aren’t willing to take that risk initially.”

The important question is if the airports have the infrastructure to handle the additional tourist arrivals that the extension of the facility may cause. “We had a meeting last week to discuss the issue. The present facility is expandable and we can make the necessary arrangements quickly once we get the official directive,” an executive of Mumbai International Airport said. “The official communication is expected in about two months.”

Indian nationals are granted visa on arrival in 29 countries. These include countries such as Burundi, Tanzania, Bolivia and Sri Lanka.

Minister of State for Tourism Kumari Selja had said earlier that visa on arrival will provide a boost to the tourism sector. However, tour operators are cautiously optimistic of the possibility. “Just allowing visa on arrival won’t help the sector. The government also needs to promote India as a destination in these countries. The current visa on arrival is a single-entry visa with a validity of 30 days, and a tourist can come to India only twice a year on this visa,” said Karan Anand, the head of relationships and supplier management, Cox and Kings India.


WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL BE NEXT, BUT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, "3 MILLION OR SO" FOREIGN TOURIST TO A COUNTRY AS LARGE AND DIVERSE AS INDIA IS A MERE DROP IN THE OCEAN. AT THE RATE THERE GOING WITH VISA CHANGES THAT WILL PROBABLY DWINDLE EVEN FURTHER..............:thumbdown:


Thanks for that. I was in India when that was published but we had gone travelling and my internet connection was not up to loading big documents.

Banyan Sep 2nd 2010 9:22 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by iain492001 (Post 8822647)
In reply to k800mer - this was in the headlines Jan 2010 in the Economic Times India :-

NEW DELHI: In the midst of the introduction of new guidelines on tourist visas, the government announced tourist visa on arrival for citizens of five countries, including Japan, New Zealand and Singapore, in an effort to promote tourism.

The ministry of external affairs said that the visa on arrival plan for Finland, Japan, Luxembourg, New Zealand and Singapore would be implemented from Friday and would continue for a year on an “experimental basis.”

The visa is aimed at foreign tourists from these countries who plan their trips on a short notice, the MEA said. "Tourists can also procure their visas from the Missions/Posts in the normal course," the ministry added.

The visas given on arrival for the nationals of these five countries will have a maximum validity of 30 days with single entry facility which will be given initially by the immigration officers at Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata airports.

While announcing the new visa on arrival policy, the government also attempted to clarify the way the new visa guidelines would be implemented. Foreign missions here have sought clarification on the new visa guidelines complaining that tourists were being inconvenienced.

The official spokesperson of the ministry of external affairs clarified that the gap of two months between two visas would apply to all tourist visa holders,.

But the spokesperson said that the restriction of a two-month gap between visas will not apply to Persons of Indian origin or Overseas Citizen of India card-holders or foreigners holding business, employment, student and other categories of visa.

``The intention behind the stipulation of a gap of two months between two visits on a tourist visa is to curb the abuse/misuse of the tourist visa,’’ said a “Frequently Asked Questions Relating to Tourist Visa” posted on the home ministry website.

The FAQs further clarified that if there was a real emergency including non availability of connecting flight to the tourist’s country or any other ``exigent’’ situation, re entry within a period of two months would be allowed. But the tourist would have to get special permission from the mission.

The guidelines further said that if a foreign national applies for a tourist visa within one month of the expiry of the previous one, then the case would be referred to the ministry of home affairs for clearance. Similarly, any tourist who is allowed to come in before the two month cooling off period will have to register with the FRRO within 14 days of arrival.


The following was also reported some months later in the Business Standard :-


Visa on arrival soon for 16 more countries
Sneha Kupekar / Mumbai April 18, 2010, 0:33 IST

The ministry of external affairs may soon extend visa-on-arrival to 16 more countries including France, Germany, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, Vietnam, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Spain and the Netherlands. This facility, introduced in January 2010, is at present available to tourists who arrive from Finland, Japan, Luxembourg, New Zealand and Singapore.

The Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata airports can issue this visa.

Of the 3 million or so foreign tourists who visit India every year, about four per cent can opt for a visa on arrival. This number is expected to go up to nine per cent, about 22,500 a month, with maximum visas issued to France and Germany. It is not known if the facility will be extended to USA and UK, which remain the biggest source of tourists to India. While 16.5 per cent of tourists to India come from US, 15 per cent come from UK.

Despite about 12,500 passengers every month being eligible for visa on arrival currently, the Delhi and Mumbai airports, which together account for 45 per cent of the total air traffic in the country, receive only around 650 passengers a month who opt for this facility.

An executive of Delhi International Airport said the airport has been sounded out to this effect by the ministry. “However, we do not expect the passenger traffic to go up in the short term as awareness of such a change in rules takes time, and people need to grow confident of being granted a visa after landing,” said he. “Passengers aren’t willing to take that risk initially.”

The important question is if the airports have the infrastructure to handle the additional tourist arrivals that the extension of the facility may cause. “We had a meeting last week to discuss the issue. The present facility is expandable and we can make the necessary arrangements quickly once we get the official directive,” an executive of Mumbai International Airport said. “The official communication is expected in about two months.”

Indian nationals are granted visa on arrival in 29 countries. These include countries such as Burundi, Tanzania, Bolivia and Sri Lanka.

Minister of State for Tourism Kumari Selja had said earlier that visa on arrival will provide a boost to the tourism sector. However, tour operators are cautiously optimistic of the possibility. “Just allowing visa on arrival won’t help the sector. The government also needs to promote India as a destination in these countries. The current visa on arrival is a single-entry visa with a validity of 30 days, and a tourist can come to India only twice a year on this visa,” said Karan Anand, the head of relationships and supplier management, Cox and Kings India.


WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL BE NEXT, BUT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, "3 MILLION OR SO" FOREIGN TOURIST TO A COUNTRY AS LARGE AND DIVERSE AS INDIA IS A MERE DROP IN THE OCEAN. AT THE RATE THERE GOING WITH VISA CHANGES THAT WILL PROBABLY DWINDLE EVEN FURTHER..............:thumbdown:


WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL BE NEXT? That's the million dolloar question! Should the UK and the USA be eventually added to the list of countries for the 30 day visa on arrival with the two months out. This would be good for the package charter holiday tourists having no hassle in to applying for visas, but a nightmare for tourists wishing to live/winter in India/Goa without a travel itinerary/tickets etc.

Banyan.

a_f_d Sep 2nd 2010 11:06 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
Visa Update:
went to B'ham today and submitted an application for a 1-year X on the basis that we have a residence in Goa so are ineligible for a T visa.
The guy at VFS said the rules have changed and we can't have an X we have to have a Business visa. I pointed out that since we don't have a business we can't supply the necessary documents - after discussion VFS agreed to submit the application and let HCI decide what we get. They are supposed to phone me when they have an answer but wouldn't give me a contact no. to reach them (apparantly they have withdrawn all public phone no's), they also declined to give me a receipt for the passports ('it's a question of trust between him and me!').
I'll post here when / if I hear anything.

AndyD 8-)

C_W Sep 3rd 2010 1:37 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8823231)
Visa Update:
went to B'ham today and submitted an application for a 1-year X on the basis that we have a residence in Goa so are ineligible for a T visa.
The guy at VFS said the rules have changed and we can't have an X we have to have a Business visa. I pointed out that since we don't have a business we can't supply the necessary documents - after discussion VFS agreed to submit the application and let HCI decide what we get. They are supposed to phone me when they have an answer but wouldn't give me a contact no. to reach them (apparantly they have withdrawn all public phone no's), they also declined to give me a receipt for the passports ('it's a question of trust between him and me!').
I'll post here when / if I hear anything.

AndyD 8-)

Good luck!....Fingers are crossed for you!

msj5 Sep 3rd 2010 1:57 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8823231)
Visa Update:
went to B'ham today and submitted an application for a 1-year X on the basis that we have a residence in Goa so are ineligible for a T visa.
The guy at VFS said the rules have changed and we can't have an X we have to have a Business visa. I pointed out that since we don't have a business we can't supply the necessary documents - after discussion VFS agreed to submit the application and let HCI decide what we get. They are supposed to phone me when they have an answer but wouldn't give me a contact no. to reach them (apparantly they have withdrawn all public phone no's), they also declined to give me a receipt for the passports ('it's a question of trust between him and me!').
I'll post here when / if I hear anything.

AndyD 8-)

a very interesting tactic ! Fingers crossed for you!

hemingway Sep 3rd 2010 6:49 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8823231)
Visa Update:
went to B'ham today and submitted an application for a 1-year X on the basis that we have a residence in Goa so are ineligible for a T visa.
The guy at VFS said the rules have changed and we can't have an X we have to have a Business visa. I pointed out that since we don't have a business we can't supply the necessary documents - after discussion VFS agreed to submit the application and let HCI decide what we get. They are supposed to phone me when they have an answer but wouldn't give me a contact no. to reach them (apparantly they have withdrawn all public phone no's), they also declined to give me a receipt for the passports ('it's a question of trust between him and me!').
I'll post here when / if I hear anything.

AndyD 8-)

A 'brave' move a_f_d - although you are no stranger to those! I'll wager that you will get what you've applied for, though I wouldn't be surprised if the CGI Birmingham refer your application to the MHA.

I'll certainly be interested to hear of the outcome.

I have my own visa plan which I'll detail on BE at the appropriate time.

Regards

H.

P.S. - I wish you the best of British luck with your application.

Banyan Sep 3rd 2010 7:33 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8823231)
Visa Update:
went to B'ham today and submitted an application for a 1-year X on the basis that we have a residence in Goa so are ineligible for a T visa.
The guy at VFS said the rules have changed and we can't have an X we have to have a Business visa. I pointed out that since we don't have a business we can't supply the necessary documents - after discussion VFS agreed to submit the application and let HCI decide what we get. They are supposed to phone me when they have an answer but wouldn't give me a contact no. to reach them (apparantly they have withdrawn all public phone no's), they also declined to give me a receipt for the passports ('it's a question of trust between him and me!').
I'll post here when / if I hear anything.

AndyD 8-)

Very wise to decline the business visa as you could at a later date been accused of running a shell business.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

Good luck.

Banyan.

erinsgirl Sep 3rd 2010 9:08 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8823231)
Visa Update:
went to B'ham today and submitted an application for a 1-year X on the basis that we have a residence in Goa so are ineligible for a T visa.
The guy at VFS said the rules have changed and we can't have an X we have to have a Business visa. I pointed out that since we don't have a business we can't supply the necessary documents - after discussion VFS agreed to submit the application and let HCI decide what we get. They are supposed to phone me when they have an answer but wouldn't give me a contact no. to reach them (apparantly they have withdrawn all public phone no's), they also declined to give me a receipt for the passports ('it's a question of trust between him and me!').
I'll post here when / if I hear anything.

AndyD 8-)




Wish you good luck in this. Fingers crossed!!!!!! this is exactly what happend to us last year. Same process. Had always applied and got an X visa on the basis of having a residency. Last year they refused to accept any application other than for a one year Tourist Visa which we got. Did not want to apply for a Business Visa for the same reason as you.

The tourist Visa was not a lot of use as we had to leave after 6 months and due to having to stay out for the 2 month rule we decided not to bother returning afterwards to Goa . There was no point. Am sure we are not the only ones thinking and behaving like this. Many of our friends did likewise.

Am sure the spending from foreigners this monsoon will have been well down on last year but then that does not seem to matter. As we so often read on Forums such as India Mike for example, India has no need of our paltry spending as retirees. it is so wealthy in its own right the drop in the ocean we bring in is meaningless, apparently. ( Strange that they still like the 800 million pounds of UK aid though!!!!! ) So all in all we will only have spent 6 months residing there this year. Have been back in the UK spending our money here at home instead. And have to say have been enjoying the great weather here at the seaside where we live!!!!

johnny five Sep 6th 2010 6:40 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by iain492001 (Post 8822647)
In reply to k800mer -

Visa on arrival soon for 16 more countries
Sneha Kupekar / Mumbai April 18, 2010, 0:33 IST

The ministry of external affairs may soon extend visa-on-arrival to 16 more countries including France, Germany, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, Vietnam, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Spain and the Netherlands. This facility, introduced in January 2010, is ..........................etc, etc, etc


WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL BE NEXT, BUT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, "3 MILLION OR SO" FOREIGN TOURIST TO A COUNTRY AS LARGE AND DIVERSE AS INDIA IS A MERE DROP IN THE OCEAN. AT THE RATE THERE GOING WITH VISA CHANGES THAT WILL PROBABLY DWINDLE EVEN FURTHER..............:thumbdown:

In case some of you dont read IndiaMike.......


Visa on arrival soon for 16 more countries
Sneha Kupekar / Mumbai April 18, 2010, 0:33 IST

The ministry of external affairs may soon extend visa-on-arrival to 16 more countries including France, Germany, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, Vietnam, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Spain and the Netherlands. This facility, introduced in January 2010, is at present available to tourists who arrive from Finland, Japan, Luxembourg, New Zealand and Singapore.

The Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata airports can issue this visa.

Of the 3 million or so foreign tourists who visit India every year, about four per cent can opt for a visa on arrival. This number is expected to go up to nine per cent, about 22,500 a month, with maximum visas issued to France and Germany. It is not known if the facility will be extended to USA and UK, which remain the biggest source of tourists to India. While 16.5 per cent of tourists to India come from US, 15 per cent come from UK.

Despite about 12,500 passengers every month being eligible for visa on arrival currently, the Delhi and Mumbai airports, which together account for 45 per cent of the total air traffic in the country, receive only around 650 passengers a month who opt for this facility.

An executive of Delhi International Airport said the airport has been sounded out to this effect by the ministry. “However, we do not expect the passenger traffic to go up in the short term as awareness of such a change in rules takes time, and people need to grow confident of being granted a visa after landing,” said he. “Passengers aren’t willing to take that risk initially.”

The important question is if the airports have the infrastructure to handle the additional tourist arrivals that the extension of the facility may cause. “We had a meeting last week to discuss the issue. The present facility is expandable and we can make the necessary arrangements quickly once we get the official directive,” an executive of Mumbai International Airport said. “The official communication is expected in about two months.”

Indian nationals are granted visa on arrival in 29 countries. These include countries such as Burundi, Tanzania, Bolivia and Sri Lanka.

Minister of State for Tourism Kumari Selja had said earlier that visa on arrival will provide a boost to the tourism sector. However, tour operators are cautiously optimistic of the possibility. “Just allowing visa on arrival won’t help the sector. The government also needs to promote India as a destination in these countries. The current visa on arrival is a single-entry visa with a validity of 30 days, and a tourist can come to India only twice a year on this visa,” said Karan Anand, the head of relationships and supplier management, Cox and Kings India.

The bold sections are done by me. The first two emphasise the "hit & miss" situation on Indian visas......of course people are not going to spend large sums of money non flights unless they are CERTAIN they will get the "visa on arrival" that they should be entitled to if they are from a qualifying nation!

The last section is hilarious, a top person in Cox & Kings describing a single entry visa as "only allowing two visits to India".... what chance do the tourists stand of getting it right?


.

iain492001 Sep 6th 2010 2:14 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
In reply to Johhny5's post - I'm sure I read somewhere (tho' I may be wrong) that a tourist from one of the participating Visa-on-Arrival countries would be allowed only 2 of these visas in a 12 month period. Even more limiting! But perhaps the tip of the iceberg? :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

GermanFool Sep 6th 2010 2:47 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
Call me a pessimist, but I think I can see the writing on the wall there...

iain492001 Sep 6th 2010 2:59 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by GermanFool (Post 8830873)
Call me a pessimist, but I think I can see the writing on the wall there...

G.F., I'm afraid I tend to agree with you. :(

A friend from New Zealand recently visited the Indian H.C. in his native Wellington, and the Indian guy there told him that they were being bombarded DAILY with communiques from the Home Office in Delhi with little twists & changes to the Visa rules....so much so that even he was totally confused.

So what hope is there for us?:unsure:ohmy

I'm off tomorrow on my 2 months' "exile", but I'll be checking in periodically.

Best wishes to you all. Keep smiling:D

johnny five Sep 6th 2010 6:59 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by iain492001 (Post 8830845)
In reply to Johhny5's post - I'm sure I read somewhere (tho' I may be wrong) that a tourist from one of the participating Visa-on-Arrival countries would be allowed only 2 of these visas in a 12 month period. Even more limiting! But perhaps the tip of the iceberg? :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

Yes, you are correct, it is on the MHA website I think, and I missed it. Good luck with your trip, Iain.

Banyan Sep 6th 2010 9:51 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by iain492001 (Post 8830845)
In reply to Johhny5's post - I'm sure I read somewhere (tho' I may be wrong) that a tourist from one of the participating Visa-on-Arrival countries would be allowed only 2 of these visas in a 12 month period. Even more limiting! But perhaps the tip of the iceberg? :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:



Only the tip of the iceberg?

It is likely their intention to eventually use the "visa on arrival" for many countries, including Britain.

They can then use the visa as a tool to prevent tourists living in India/Go for more than 30 days with the 2 month out rule. One could only visit twice in one year with this type of visa.

Any longer duration then one would likely need to apply to IHC with good reason or show an officail travel itinerary with travel tickets.


The writing's on the wall!

Banyan.

a_f_d Sep 7th 2010 12:30 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8823231)
Visa Update:
went to B'ham today and submitted an application for a 1-year X on the basis that we have a residence in Goa so are ineligible for a T visa.
The guy at VFS said the rules have changed and we can't have an X we have to have a Business visa. I pointed out that since we don't have a business we can't supply the necessary documents - after discussion VFS agreed to submit the application and let HCI decide what we get. They are supposed to phone me when they have an answer but wouldn't give me a contact no. to reach them (apparantly they have withdrawn all public phone no's), they also declined to give me a receipt for the passports ('it's a question of trust between him and me!').
I'll post here when / if I hear anything.

AndyD 8-)

... just heard from VFS - the Consulate have returned our passports and informed us that we are eligible for 1-year Tourist visas.

AndyD 8-)#

johnny five Sep 7th 2010 1:46 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8831713)
... just heard from VFS - the Consulate have returned our passports and informed us that we are eligible for 1-year Tourist visas.

AndyD 8-)#

Which proves they really do make it up as they go along, with absolutely no regard to what the Indian Government publish in black & white.....


Well done Andy, a potentially risky strategy, but an amazingly (suspiciously?) fast response.


.

noni Sep 7th 2010 2:09 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8831713)
... just heard from VFS - the Consulate have returned our passports and informed us that we are eligible for 1-year Tourist visas.

AndyD 8-)#

:thumbsup: Congratulations - glad it worked out for you :thumbsup:

Banyan Sep 7th 2010 3:29 am

Re: Visa help.
 
Reply to fpbutler under the GOA Beware thread number 3164.

Hi,

Sorry to disagree but there has been a massive fat money making scam taken place here.

You will need to read an article in "About.com: India Travel advising (outside) PIO's to apply for X entry visas.

http://goindia.about.com/od/visas/tp...visa-Types.htm

In terms of the several countries being allowed visa on arrival with the possibility of 16 others to follow. Should the UK be added to this list would the normal visa application stay in force or not or would the goal posts be moved?

Banyan.

Banyan Sep 7th 2010 3:56 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8831713)
... just heard from VFS - the Consulate have returned our passports and informed us that we are eligible for 1-year Tourist visas.

AndyD 8-)#


So glad it's worked out for you.

Banyan.

Bipat Sep 7th 2010 5:25 am

Re: Visa help.
 
[/Quote]

Sorry to disagree but there has been a massive fat money making scam taken place here.

You will need to read an article in "About.com: India Travel advising (outside) PIO's to apply for X entry visas.

http://goindia.about.com/od/visas/tp...visa-Types.htm

In terms of the several countries being allowed visa on arrival with the possibility of 16 others to follow. Should the UK be added to this list would the normal visa application stay in force or not or would the goal posts be moved?

Banyan.[/QUOTE]

The 'visa on arrival' is optional, I would have thought it will stay that way. It would be too difficult for immigration to deal with a large percentage of tourists getting their 'on arrival visa' also the practical difficulties with the 'refusals'.
Also your other point about NRI's; you are correct the term is used loosely to describe PIO's. Many of these apply for visas the advice given was to explain the option they have of the 5 year x type visa, but as I have previously said, the documentation rules for this have become recently very strict and specific. I am a PIO spouse but at Birmingham in August (won't go over the details again) I was refused a 5 year (in spite of previously always having this) and given a 1 year tourist. This type of ruling will apply to NRI's regardless of property owned. It seems if any doubts give a 1 year tourist!!

Banyan Sep 7th 2010 6:16 am

Re: Visa help.
 
Sorry to disagree but there has been a massive fat money making scam taken place here.

You will need to read an article in "About.com: India Travel advising (outside) PIO's to apply for X entry visas.

http://goindia.about.com/od/visas/tp...visa-Types.htm

In terms of the several countries being allowed visa on arrival with the possibility of 16 others to follow. Should the UK be added to this list would the normal visa application stay in force or not or would the goal posts be moved?

Banyan.[/QUOTE]

The 'visa on arrival' is optional, I would have thought it will stay that way. It would be too difficult for immigration to deal with a large percentage of tourists getting their 'on arrival visa' also the practical difficulties with the 'refusals'.
Also your other point about NRI's; you are correct the term is used loosely to describe PIO's. Many of these apply for visas the advice given was to explain the option they have of the 5 year x type visa, but as I have previously said, the documentation rules for this have become recently very strict and specific. I am a PIO spouse but at Birmingham in August (won't go over the details again) I was refused a 5 year (in spite of previously always having this) and given a 1 year tourist. This type of ruling will apply to NRI's regardless of property owned. It seems if any doubts give a 1 year tourist!![/QUOTE]


The visa on arrival will be great for the package tourists. After all this is what they want with a quick turn over of mass tourists. But as far as anyone wishing to stay any longer than 30 days it will be a nightmare. Is this not what it is all about to prevent long term tourist staying/living in India/Goa?

Sorry to disagree, but it would not be too difficult at all for the Indian Immigration to deal with as they are now in the computer age and the click of a key shows all!

There seems to be a hidden agenda here. Lets face it they do not care about how many peoples they spoilt in springing in the two month out rule and more importantly without any notice. A dam disgrace!

Banyan.

erinsgirl Sep 7th 2010 6:29 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8831713)
... just heard from VFS - the Consulate have returned our passports and informed us that we are eligible for 1-year Tourist visas.

AndyD 8-)#

Andy, Well done in getting the one year tourist. Obviously they are not ready to issue an X Visa at present, despite whatever the Britih High Commissioner might say. This is what happened to us last year. We had the one year Tourist. We found the forced exit at 6 months such a hassle that we exited and did not bother go back. We saw no point in paying the airfare to go back in July to stay until September with then another forced 2 month exile. We want to make sure we are there for November/December. However this means we paid for a year and stayed for only 6 months. This is a waste of money. For this reason we are seriously thinking of just applying for a 6 month Tourist Visa this time as the 1 year Tourist was not much use ( to us anyway). Hopefully it will be more use to you.

Bipat Sep 7th 2010 7:33 am

Re: Visa help.
 
QUOTE] Banyan


The visa on arrival will be great for the package tourists. After all this is what they want with a quick turn over of mass tourists. But as far as anyone wishing to stay any longer than 30 days it will be a nightmare. Is this not what it is all about to prevent long term tourist staying/living in India/Goa?

Sorry to disagree, but it would not be too difficult at all for the Indian Immigration to deal with as they are now in the computer age and the click of a key shows all!

There seems to be a hidden agenda here. Lets face it they do not care about how many peoples they spoilt in springing in the two month out rule and more importantly without any notice. A dam disgrace!

Banyan.[/QUOTE]

Could you not consider that the changing of visa rules (for many countries including USA) might be, as stated, for national security. The Indian Gov. has a billion people to protect there are many ports of entry besides Mumbai. Why would the Indian Gov. change its whole visa system world wide just to cause trouble to a few thousand expats in Goa !!! Yes it will cause a great deal of trouble for some but I imagine the Gov. considers security more important. Whether they are over reacting is a matter of opinion.

Banyan Sep 7th 2010 8:03 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 8832487)
QUOTE] Banyan


The visa on arrival will be great for the package tourists. After all this is what they want with a quick turn over of mass tourists. But as far as anyone wishing to stay any longer than 30 days it will be a nightmare. Is this not what it is all about to prevent long term tourist staying/living in India/Goa?

Sorry to disagree, but it would not be too difficult at all for the Indian Immigration to deal with as they are now in the computer age and the click of a key shows all!

There seems to be a hidden agenda here. Lets face it they do not care about how many peoples they spoilt in springing in the two month out rule and more importantly without any notice. A dam disgrace!

Banyan.

Could you not consider that the changing of visa rules (for many countries including USA) might be, as stated, for national security. The Indian Gov. has a billion people to protect there are many ports of entry besides Mumbai. Why would the Indian Gov. change its whole visa system world wide just to cause trouble to a few thousand expats in Goa !!! Yes it will cause a great deal of trouble for some but I imagine the Gov. considers security more important. Whether they are over reacting is a matter of opinion.[/QUOTE]


Hi,

One does fully respect the national security and expect it to come first and foremost. However, why won't they allow people to sell up and open the transfer property register? This saga has gone on since 2006.

ARE THEY WAITING FOR US TO DIE OFF OR WHAT?


We are reading about confications which are now taking place. This is very alarming and worrying for people who have put their live savings in to retirement homes in Goa.

Banyan.

k800mer Sep 7th 2010 9:26 am

Re: Visa help.
 

One does fully respect the national security and expect it to come first and foremost. However, why won't they allow people to sell up and open the transfer property register? This saga has gone on since 2006.

ARE THEY WAITING FOR US TO DIE OFF OR WHAT?


We are reading about confications which are now taking place. This is very alarming and worrying for people who have put their live savings in to retirement homes in Goa.

Banyan.
They do not want foreigners to be able to sell up because they want to confiscate the properties, no doubt someone in the goa parliament will benefit from the confiscation.

Bipat Sep 7th 2010 9:55 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by k800mer (Post 8832644)
They do not want foreigners to be able to sell up because they want to confiscate the properties, no doubt someone in the goa parliament will benefit from the confiscation.

Hi K800mer and Banyan

With respect, the discussion was originally about recent visa changes and the Central Indian government's reasons.

dreadsoc Sep 7th 2010 10:41 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 8832701)
Hi K800mer and Banyan

With respect, the discussion was originally about recent visa changes and the Central Indian government's reasons.

Unfortunately the visa issues an the property issues go hand in hand, one affects the other every step of the way.

Dread - x

Banyan Sep 7th 2010 10:43 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 8832701)
Hi K800mer and Banyan

With respect, the discussion was originally about recent visa changes and the Central Indian government's reasons.





Hi Bipat,


Shall we transfer to GOA Buyer Beware Thread and we await your comments if any Bipat?


Banyan.

Bipat Sep 7th 2010 11:05 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by dreadsoc (Post 8832769)
Unfortunately the visa issues an the property issues go hand in hand, one affects the other every step of the way.

Dread - x

Dread, I absolutely realise that and the whole property issue is disgraceful. Obviously the recent changes affect the expats in Goa.
However this particular thread of discussion concerned visas on entry and the recent visa changes which affect many people from many countries, and also whether or not it was a money-making scam. Suddenly the discussion changed track to the Goan Gov. This was my point.

Banyan Sep 7th 2010 12:12 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 8832803)
Dread, I absolutely realise that and the whole property issue is disgraceful. Obviously the recent changes affect the expats in Goa.
However this particular thread of discussion concerned visas on entry and the recent visa changes which affect many people from many countries, and also whether or not it was a money-making scam. Suddenly the discussion changed track to the Goan Gov. This was my point.

Hi Bipat,

No one mentioned the Goan Gov as such. Anyway you did a good job in defusing the discussion.

Banyan.

leavinggoa Sep 7th 2010 6:26 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 8831713)
... just heard from VFS - the Consulate have returned our passports and informed us that we are eligible for 1-year Tourist visas.

AndyD 8-)#

Is it 180 day job or will you register?

erinsgirl Sep 8th 2010 7:26 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by leavinggoa (Post 8833308)
Is it 180 day job or will you register?

Sadly you cannot register with a Tourist Visa.

johnny five Sep 8th 2010 8:14 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by erinsgirl (Post 8834718)
Sadly you cannot register with a Tourist Visa.

And ALL Tourist visas are 180 day max (and two months out), and kiss everyone involved's rrr's in case they dont give you one.....


.

noni Sep 8th 2010 8:44 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8834818)
And ALL Tourist visas are 180 day max (and two months out), and kiss everyone involved's rrr's in case they dont give you one.....


.

No point in having 1 year then!

k800mer Sep 8th 2010 9:21 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by noni (Post 8834885)
No point in having 1 year then!

You are right there. 59.05 for a 1 year tourist visa as against 39.05 for 6 months makes the 1 year look a better deal but actually if you pay a bit more and buy 2 6 month visa's you get to spend more time in Goa.

noni Sep 8th 2010 9:36 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by k800mer (Post 8834986)
You are right there. 59.05 for a 1 year tourist visa as against 39.05 for 6 months makes the 1 year look a better deal but actually if you pay a bit more and buy 2 6 month visa's you get to spend more time in Goa.

Yep! may as well have a 6 months visa, if we have to leave after 180 days for two months, and return home to see family and friends. :rolleyes:

johnny five Sep 8th 2010 9:39 am

Re: Visa help.
 
Better value, more time in Goa, and less time kissing shiny Babu's chaddas........win, win, win.


.

old man Sep 8th 2010 10:58 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
1 Year tourist visa - do you still have to return to UK to renew? If so, save your money - unless you are loaded - and take a 6 month one.


All times are GMT -12. The time now is 9:56 am.

Powered by vBulletin: ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.