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whilst we love goa, we are certainly not blinkered to its problems, people and growing pains and the ingress of russians. coming back from morjim beach one day we nearly fell off our scooter seeing a lifesize statue of lenin pointing into the distance.

i have said for about a year i dont thinkk the goans know what they are getting into with them and i dont think the russians quite know what they are getting into with the goans.

i cant find the article on what goans think of us. i have been involved with the press and have seen news reported that was to do with me which did us a favour in a campaign. We won. so i wouldnt take too much notice of it knowing how biased it could be.

it may have been a really wonderful place decades ago but we didnt know it then we only know it now, so we dont know any difference. we are not into clubbing, busy beaches, drugs, drinking ouselves into a stupour.

yes i worry about the refuse too, they have been putting it in the gutters for thousands of years but fail to reliase that its now plastics and it wont bio degrade. i want to show the kids what happens in a fish tank how plastics coat the bottoms, the rocks etc. they have to be educated and they will educate their parents and you will have got that generation. but poor kids wont get that education.

i am very green over here and especially with rubbish and have bought my own pick up claws for the canal we are on.

they are starting to recycle but need help with the infrastructure and methods. there is so much expat experience over there that could be harnessed to give everyone something back, including the expats.

please email us and let us know your thoughts honestly along with the declining goan love affair.

(SNIP)

we will appreciate any feedback.

john & katrina

kat

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sorry Kat/john you are very blinkered at the moment over the years i have lived here many changes have happened but nothing really positive that has helped Goa, more buildings, more people, more rubbish that the common man will not pay to be taken away, yet bars/rests/hotels have to pay the panachyat to get the rubbish taken away, I pay rps100 for my rubbish to be taken away with the rubbish from a bar on our complex, i give my bottles/can to one of the local families and my newspapers to the egg/samosa seller down the road. There are few designated waste sites even if they were to cage them off at least the animals could not get to them, but the government does not want to spend money on trival things like that, the old one is build a cattle pound for stray cattle, not one cow has been in that pound since the day it opened, to much paperwork.
I walk the dog up the hills by sunvillage only to see rubbish that someone from sun village has tossed over the fence everyday it gets worst.
Ive seen people sweeping their shops out putting in a plastic bag then throwing it in the river.
Familes who have a toilet in their home still going to the river or up the hill to go to the toilet, yet they all have mobile phones and HD tv's.
I have never seen a FN throw rubbish, they always put it in their bags till they find a bin, yet indians/goans throw bottles etc from out of cars buses, they dont give a dame about their enviroment, always someones elses problem.
I moved to Goa because i wanted a better life but everyday here now is getting more and more uncertain.
Just to go to the shops you have to run the gaunlet of beggers, taxi drivers and rude unhappy people to busy now to even say good morning!!!!!! that was not the goa i came to love many years ago.
And as someone said if their money want tied up here they would now not visit here.

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Obviously i dont really know any of you yet, dont know where you live, but i can assure you that living in the uk at the moment is not much fun. financially we are fine and we go to france a lot where we have a mobile.

for the last 3 years the uk has been steadily going downhill, what with immigration etc. etc. i had someone come into our shop, he looked like he was a chech and he thrust a bit of paper at me and said "me job here", i said "no" he said "sign". we went through that twice on the second time i thought he was coming on a bit strong so i told him to F off.

we gave the shop up (supposedly one of the best shops in folkestone, i felt we were like a museum for people just to view our wares) august 2006 and not a second too soon. the government must know from the vat feedback how bad the high street is doing and they must have known that for the last 4 years.

the uk has changed dramatically and anyone living in somewhere like goa, i believe it would probably kill them moving back and living the life here, the pace, the people and the amount of foreigners. so however you feel is going on in goa, its not happening alone its happening all over the world.

the pace of life is quickening due to many changes happening in the universe. due to the former pace of life in goa it will be more noticeable there, think about it, its the worlds second largest growing economy. if you want the old goa you will have to move to kerrela. but personally i want a hospital not far, doctors, dentists, running water, electricity, a pool, restuarants.

if you are moaning there you would be suicidal here!!

kat

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RE MY LAST POST AND SIGNING THE BIT OF PAPER - the man was on jobseekers allowance, he couldnt speak english and if i signed it would count towards the amount of jobs he had tried to get so he could keep on jobseekers and then the dole after that.

kat

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John i have to agree with most of your comments.

We have been visiting Goa for the past 15 years and living here for the last 2 years.To be honest where we are (Bogmalo)the changes haven't been to drastic,it realy hasn't changed in all the years we have been coming.

We went up to North Goa yesterday,and i thought it was a nightmare.Even though there wern't many tourists about the hassle was even worse than i remember,and not very friendly.

Also,as for moving back to the Uk,no chance.I agree with all your comments re the situation now.We were back there a couple of weeks ago and couldn't wait to get out of the place because of the reasons you mentioned.

India has it's problems and is probably getting worse,we will give it another 2 years here, if the situation doesn't change for the better then we will move on to Malaysia or somewhere like that.

John

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I must admit reading my post again i sounded all doom and gloom, I do realise things are bad in the UK even though i havent been there for 2 years, but that is one of the reasons we got out quick 6 years ago, I'm glad I was able to experience the goa that was once, but I cant help feeling the hotels, rests/bars shops are growing with the times, imported goods I can do without!!! but the people and their mentality are surely laging behind.
Many people will hate me for saying this I hate the season time here, being continually hassled by out of state taxi drivers, when you have just got out of a car/bike, non stop begging and hassling from stool owners everywhere, one reason we stick to the same shack, if we actually go to the beach.
And yes I would move south if the property situation hadnt stopped us.
But some goans attitudes have changed and some of them are not nice to be around anymore sad fact growth and wealth sometimes does not make a happy man!!!!!

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hi guys - we are john and katrina - we will sign off on whatever posts with john or kat (katrina). john wont read these really and probably wont ever post.

so tis me that has been posting. im glad that my post has been of some help, i would say that the uk has gone down within the two years one of the reasons we decided to give up the shop and start thinking about our future home life.

kat

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The "uncorrupt" Goans seem to want to leave as quickly as possible. There are many now living in places like Australia and Canada who left Goa specifically because they were being strong armed by goons over businness, property and land. They have had to sell for a pittance and leave Goa just for the peace of mind and physical security.

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Unfortunately many of us on this site did exactly what you are doing now many years ago, I thought my future was safe and secure and with a roof over my head and a few savings in the bank we had it sorted here in Goa, but due to the goan government and their corrupt ways most of us have had to think again, the visa situation, whether or not you will get another one, let alone a six month one, so you have lost your residential status aswell( not that it meant much) cost of getting another visa!! now the threat of having your home confistcated if!!! you are found not to have done things the proper way( or which ever way was the way at the time of buying) savings only go so far and if you are not earning, go very quickly.
Was supposed to be a time for relaxing and enjoying what time you have left on this planet after working your butt off for years, but it hasnt been the case for many off us trying to fight the system here which is clearly a nightmare as we are on our own in this place with only friends like on this site for moral support and a few laughs along the way.

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what has shocked me most is the way its changed and so quickly! i realised last season that it wasn't just us, the ex party/hippy crowd who felt the change, but the brits who came post 1990. i was in Vrundravan clinic( my son was knocked off his bike by a taxi driver) talking to some brits about the Scarlett Keeling case and we were all united in what we said. its changed beyond recognition. they tolerated us before, now they despise us. don't get me wrong, i love Goa, my kids went to school there, all my life was there with my friends. it just saddens me its come to this. we're not doom and gloomers on this site, we just tell one another how it is

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Poppetjay, you put things so well, it comes through that you are speaking from your heart. Please dont consider this sexist but most blokes just cant do this.
Doesnt it so hurt that these new guys, with their rose tinted spectacles and enthusiasm for what we all know is a tiny fraction of the Goa that we all fell in love with so many years ago.
For so many years we were jealous of those who could buy their own little piece of heaven here, tempered, to be fair by the fact that we could only be happy with a house with our own cherished garden around it and that was well beyond our reach financially. For that reason we are still renting, after 15 yrs plus, but we have a beautiful garden, a lovely rented house, a super local dog, a location pretty well out of the influence of tourism, and most important of all..............the ability, within reason, to walk away. ( Before the animal-lovers kick-off, she has an excellent home if needed!!!!!)
We are not smug about this, if we could have afforded to buy what we wanted a few years ago, we would have, for once a lack of funds was a blessing?
What we keep reading on these forums from new people ploughing on with buying, ignoring or even arguing with folk here who have suffered, or stand to, severe financial loss makes us so unhappy.
Do you think we are just trying to p**s you off? No just save you some heartache.
The references to the Russians? Hey they are just ordinary folk like us..........NOT! The vastly inflated prices they happily pay for every thing gives you some idea where the money comes from, it has no meaning to them.
Today I waited for my local general store in Siolim to open after lunch along with some clearly "passing" Russians. (I wanted a full sack of cement incidentally) When the owner arrived to unlock I greeted him by name and received a stream of abuse in "pigin" English from my co-shoppers as they assumed I would get served first. No chance as even here the local shops have realised they can charge the Russians whatever they like without any problems. Bottle of water? 50 rupees.........oh you want cold?.........100 then!
6 times one litre sold.
To be fair, they have probably only just arrived and will learn, or will they? Whatever, it has a major effect on what we pay ultimately!
We know it sounds like doom and gloom, but as has been said, the UK has changed a lot in the past few years.......the difference here is that the change is so much faster, the difference in the past THREE MONTHS is astounding.
So, pause, think, assess, whatever you need to do, but dont dismiss us longer termers so lightly we just may have learned (and are still learning) by our mistakes.
As they used to say on "Hill Street Blues"....................and be careful out there!
PS........just read your post Spanglia and sorry to hear about your son, hope he is not a victim of the "multitude of imaginary witnesses" to the accident syndrome, if so, tell them that Heaven is only open to honest Goans, this will work perfectly and they will all withdraw their testimony, promise..............

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hey hey hey

we are not new folk with rose tinted specs. we are real people with no illusions about goa in its current form and its aspiring form, we realised when we first went into it that it was going to change.

i would never and would divorce over this if necessary, never NOT have a base/tiny flat/patch in the uk for emergencys. if like the portugese we were thrown out, in case we lost everything in goa. never never burn bridges.

to the people in siolim, please get in touch, (SNIP) would love to hear from you as that is where we have bought. there was a meeting about 'save goa' but we were leaving and i could not find any info on it and its meaning.

what we have to do is meet with the powers that be,the spokesperson for the village and make them realise where we are coming from. nothing else no one else will do this.

kat

kat

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When you say a meeting "to save Goa" to be really honest Kat their version of save Goa is not yours, they want Goa back for the Goans, and afraid to say FN's will not be included in that.
I know your intentions are very clear but they may not see it that way, please be very careful as the worm out here often turns very quickly.

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Sorry I cannot believe the statements you are making are for real,please do some research on the Save Goa party before you post.The Save Goa party is not at all what you think,they actually would throw all foreigners out including Indians from other states(migrants)as they call them.They want Goa back for just Goans.If this party ever got into Government then you would loose your property straight away
Please listen to Poppyjay who lives in Goa and be very careful before you approach anyone with your do good deeds.I don't mean to be rude but you really opening a can of worms for yourself and others who have a vested interest in Goa

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think about it, the goans couldnt survive on their own, the need the income from tourism.

i think they have probably have enough of the some of the tourists who act like they are living the last weeks of there lives, they are probably disgusted at their behaviour. we typically dislike the germans on holiday.

the rapes, murders and drugs will be dreadful things for them to deal with and then the goans get the blame in one way or another. the russians are not helping, throwing money around like confetti with attitude.

im sure if you put the clock back decade they would be happier too as would we all but it aint gonna happen.

can i please ask if anyone on these posts know any acron owners could you put them in touch, would appreciate it.

kat