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poppetjay Apr 22nd 2010 2:51 pm

Nudists beaches in Goa !!!
 
Had a wonderful day out at Aswem beach, went for a walk along the beach chatting to my friend in our bikinis, as you do!!!!
when we were confronted by 4 naked females (all shapes and sizes) playing on the beach and at the waters edge, i almost forgot were i was for a moment Yes this is India !!!!! why please someone tell me do these people (russians) have to be so disrepectful.
they walked up to the sunbeds and laid legs a cimbo totally oblivious to the other people around them.
I' m far from being a prude but this behavior was totally unacceptable and shouldnt have been tolerated by the shack owner.

goanstay Apr 22nd 2010 4:28 pm

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Originally Posted by poppetjay (Post 8514417)
Had a wonderful day out at Aswem beach, went for a walk along the beach chatting to my friend in our bikinis, as you do!!!!
when we were confronted by 4 naked females (all shapes and sizes) playing on the beach and at the waters edge, i almost forgot were i was for a moment Yes this is India !!!!! why please someone tell me do these people (russians) have to be so disrepectful.
they walked up to the sunbeds and laid legs a cimbo totally oblivious to the other people around them.
I' m far from being a prude but this behavior was totally unacceptable and shouldnt have been tolerated by the shack owner.

Can I ask someone to delete this thread, before one of the very few peaceful beaches left in Goa gets invaded by leering Indian louts!!!!!!!

Actually Asvem beach has been an unofficial nudist beach since 2000. It is not just Russians, but many German, French, Brits, Swedes etc have been going native for years

And Poppetjay, you are being a prude, did it do you any harm? It's only natural after all:thumbdown:

Live and let live that's what I say

poppetjay Apr 22nd 2010 4:52 pm

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Originally Posted by goanstay (Post 8514595)
Can I ask someone to delete this thread, before one of the very few peaceful beaches left in Goa gets invaded by leering Indian louts!!!!!!!

Actually Asvem beach has been an unofficial nudist beach since 2000. It is not just Russians, but many German, French, Brits, Swedes etc have been going native for years

And Poppetjay, you are being a prude, did it do you any harm? It's only natural after all:thumbdown:

Live and let live that's what I say

I'm not a prude far from it if you actually knew me !!!and unofficial is not acceptable when there are families about with children and too late mate there were leering indians there, thats why i made a point of posting.
.You may like it but you are in the minority and i for one dont want my grandchildren to see it, and i sure dont want to see someones meat and 2 veg/ and fannys when im walking along a beach... time and a place for everything. but if it rocks your boat thats your opinion and no it didnt do me any harm. but after working for 25 years with abused kids i see i diffeent side to things whether natural or not.

dreadsoc Apr 22nd 2010 8:15 pm

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Originally Posted by poppetjay (Post 8514648)
I'm not a prude far from it if you actually knew me !!!and unofficial is not acceptable when there are families about with children and too late mate there were leering indians there, thats why i made a point of posting.
.You may like it but you are in the minority and i for one dont want my grandchildren to see it, and i sure dont want to see someones meat and 2 veg/ and fannys when im walking along a beach... time and a place for everything. but if it rocks your boat thats your opinion and no it didnt do me any harm. but after working for 25 years with abused kids i see i diffeent side to things whether natural or not.


I'm with you on this Poppetjay - don't particularly want to see that. I am not against nudity or the existence of nudist beaches, but they should be advertised - and there is the matter of discretion.
I saw a similar grim sight at Vagator a couple of seasons ago, and recently whilst staying at a friends in Candolim, which is in a resort, looked out of the window to see a Russian woman on a balcony 'servicing' two men at the same time (I'm sure you can imagine how this was being done !!) - with the room light on and the balcony light on.
All of these places are frequented by families and it is not acceptable in those places !
Mind you - the fat topless hags and the old men who wear a bit of rag for a thong on Calangute, Baga and Candolim beaches need a makeover as well in the respectable beachwear department !!

Dread - I got class !
x

GoanPlaces Apr 22nd 2010 9:03 pm

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Just one thing to say about nude bathing - sunburnt t**s! I wouldn't want them and I'm sure they would be extremely painful.

Also I have an 11 year old son who is on the verge of puberty and HE would be EXTREMELY embarrassed to see adults cavorting in the nude - I couldn't imagine how he would react if we, his parents, joined in!

What's wrong with wearing a bikini or swimsuit? It's not like it's such heavy clothing you have to shed it in order to enjoy yourself.

On this subject though, I HAVE swam nude in the Calangute sea, but that WAS 15 years ago before I had kids, and it was just before sunrise in the morning - before the leering Indians or anyone else was around on the beach. And I took off my kit at the waters edge and had a towel there ready for when I came out of the sea.

If you enjoy swimming nude, my suggestion - get together with like-minded people and hire a private pool for the day. Keep it out of the public eye. Most people don't want to see your private parts, and others really DO want to see - and that's the problem!

Decorum and discretion is the way to go!

Julia x

johnny five Apr 22nd 2010 9:19 pm

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Actually Asvem beach has been an unofficial nudist beach since 2000. It is not just Russians, but many German, French, Brits, Swedes etc have been going native for years
Actually, Ashvem has been popular with people wanting to take all their clothes off DISCRETELY since the early 1990's and before.

It has never been an "unofficial nudist beach", as nudity in public has always and almost certainly always will be Illegal in india.

The difference, as pointed out by PJ, is the typical "S*d everyone else" attitude of the Russians. The behaviour she describes would put me off my dinner and I'm not a prude either.

I do think PJ was expecting too much by suggesting the shack owner should have stepped in. We all know a Goan shack owner will permit absolutely any behaviour providing it puts money in his pocket.

If you are happy enough to look at fat Russian women laying naked on sunbeds with their legs apart, you are welcome, maybe you will see there is light at the end of the tunnel for Goa?

noni Apr 22nd 2010 9:38 pm

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Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8515165)
Actually, Ashvem has been popular with people wanting to take all their clothes off DISCRETELY since the early 1990's and before.

It has never been an "unofficial nudist beach", as nudity in public has always and almost certainly always will be Illegal in india.

The difference, as pointed out by PJ, is the typical "S*d everyone else" attitude of the Russians. The behaviour she describes would put me off my dinner and I'm not a prude either.

I do think PJ was expecting too much by suggesting the shack owner should have stepped in. We all know a Goan shack owner will permit absolutely any behaviour providing it puts money in his pocket.

If you are happy enough to look at fat Russian women laying naked on sunbeds with their legs apart, you are welcome, maybe you will see there is light at the end of the tunnel for Goa?


The ones I saw, you could park your bike up their ...........
and the men well :rofl::rofl::rofl:

goanstay Apr 22nd 2010 10:04 pm

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Looks like I may have hit a sore point here - perhaps sunburnt ones as GoanPlaces suggests:lol:


Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8515165)
Actually, Ashvem has been popular with people wanting to take all their clothes off DISCRETELY since the early 1990's and before.

Quite agree here, normally nudism has been discreet which was easy at Asvem as there were few other people around. But we have seen whole families "cavorting" naked on the beach playing volleyball / frisbees etc. and I think it's great to bring children up to not be embarrassed about their own bodies or that of others. We are all born with our body and should not be ashamed of it

The problem is that the discreet beach at Asvem has become too popular and it is therefore difficult to be discreet


Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8515165)
It has never been an "unofficial nudist beach", as nudity in public has always and almost certainly always will be Illegal in india.

That's why I said it was unofficial. :huh:
The concept of nudism being illegal in India also includes going topless, but how that can constitute nudism is far beyond me:confused_smile:


Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8515165)
The difference, as pointed out by PJ, is the typical "S*d everyone else" attitude of the Russians. The behaviour she describes would put me off my dinner and I'm not a prude either.

We have seen plenty of "meat and 2 veg/ and fannys", but why get offended by it? Personally we go there to relax/chill out and what other people get up to is up to them. If I don't like the look of something I look away - see comment below. It would be different if someone actually approached you and forced you to look at their privates but in the majority of cases they are getting on with doing what they are doing, and it is your choice whether you take notice of them or not.


Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8515165)
If you are happy enough to look at fat Russian women laying naked on sunbeds with their legs apart, you are welcome, maybe you will see there is light at the end of the tunnel for Goa?

Actually I don't go around looking for any particular women, naked or otherwise, fat or otherwise, russian or otherwise....

Even on the beach at Candolim, I have seen some pretty horrendous sights which I would have preferred not to have seen. There are some men and women who probably should not take off their shirts, let alone their pants, but that is their perogative. I would rather not see "beached whales" but I have the opportunity to look away.

No-one should be embarrassed of seeing a naked body or of being naked - that is what we are. I would only be embarrassed if I was staring at a naked body, and wasn't able to see the person - and that goes for private and public places

Anyway that is my opinion - each to their own

johnh009 Apr 22nd 2010 10:26 pm

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Originally Posted by poppetjay (Post 8514417)
Had a wonderful day out at Aswem beach, went for a walk along the beach chatting to my friend in our bikinis, as you do!!!!
when we were confronted by 4 naked females (all shapes and sizes) playing on the beach and at the waters edge, i almost forgot were i was for a moment Yes this is India !!!!! why please someone tell me do these people (russians) have to be so disrepectful.
they walked up to the sunbeds and laid legs a cimbo totally oblivious to the other people around them.
I' m far from being a prude but this behavior was totally unacceptable and shouldnt have been tolerated by the shack owner.

Nudist beaches often conjour up images of St. Tropez in the '60s. However, reality is quite different. I once stumbled across a nudist beach in Cuba which was full of flabby, continental, 10 ton tessies. Quite a horrible sight, they should be a law against this.

GoanPlaces Apr 22nd 2010 11:08 pm

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Originally Posted by goanstay (Post 8515241)
But we have seen whole families "cavorting" naked on the beach playing volleyball / frisbees etc. and I think it's great to bring children up to not be embarrassed about their own bodies or that of others. We are all born with our body and should not be ashamed of it

No-one should be embarrassed of seeing a naked body or of being naked - that is what we are. I would only be embarrassed if I was staring at a naked body, and wasn't able to see the person - and that goes for private and public places

Anyway that is my opinion - each to their own

It indeed would be a great place - like the garden of Eden - if humans were not aware of, or embarrassed by, their own bodies.

In the real world, we, humans are above the animals for this reason. We are the only species to have awareness of the effect of our sexuality, and to practice modesty. We are indeed the only species of mammals who can decide rationally, using our brains, who to mate with.

Other animals are driven purely by instinct. Dogs will mate with any bitch in season. Dogs are also born naked, as are we. But it is this intrinsic human knowledge that depicts that we should - for our own good - cover ourselves when in public if we are to fend off the advances of others with whom we have no intention of mating with. That is the difference between humans and animals.

We ALL have instincts and we ALL were born naked, but human reasoning surpasses animal instinct - in the sense it it is not a good idea to go nude on Goa beaches - not just for legal reasons, but for your own protection. - Wouldn't like those Indian tourists behaving like animals with you - and if you behave like an animal - going naked when reason dictates you should be clothed, then expect consequences.

If you go naked in a public place, you WILL be looked at sexually by others. Whether that is your intention or not, some people (e.g. Indian Tourists!) will revert to animal type when confronted with a fully-naked woman. They are only used to seeing women in saris or salwar kameez. It is an eye-fest for them.

Whether you want it or not, humans have practiced modesty since the day Eve ate the apple and was then embarrassed by her nudity. Because we have the powers of reasoning - unlike animals who have no concept of the fact that they are naked - and will mate with any other animal.

Humans have free will, animals don't. We are all born naked, but only humans have the knowledge or desire to clothe. Humans are also the only species able to control whom they mate with or indeed to have relations but to produce no offspring (e.g. contraception). Animals have no such intellect.

Be naked, it is great to be naked - swim in the sea at dawn before sunrise, feel the water on your bare skin. But for heavens sake don't inflict your nudity on anyone else. For others and your own good.

Julia x

poppetjay Apr 23rd 2010 2:44 am

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Originally Posted by GoanPlaces (Post 8515326)
It indeed would be a great place - like the garden of Eden - if humans were not aware of, or embarrassed by, their own bodies.

In the real world, we, humans are above the animals for this reason. We are the only species to have awareness of the effect of our sexuality, and to practice modesty. We are indeed the only species of mammals who can decide rationally, using our brains, who to mate with.

Other animals are driven purely by instinct. Dogs will mate with any bitch in season. Dogs are also born naked, as are we. But it is this intrinsic human knowledge that depicts that we should - for our own good - cover ourselves when in public if we are to fend off the advances of others with whom we have no intention of mating with. That is the difference between humans and animals.

We ALL have instincts and we ALL were born naked, but human reasoning surpasses animal instinct - in the sense it it is not a good idea to go nude on Goa beaches - not just for legal reasons, but for your own protection. - Wouldn't like those Indian tourists behaving like animals with you - and if you behave like an animal - going naked when reason dictates you should be clothed, then expect consequences.

If you go naked in a public place, you WILL be looked at sexually by others. Whether that is your intention or not, some people (e.g. Indian Tourists!) will revert to animal type when confronted with a fully-naked woman. They are only used to seeing women in saris or salwar kameez. It is an eye-fest for them.

Whether you want it or not, humans have practiced modesty since the day Eve ate the apple and was then embarrassed by her nudity. Because we have the powers of reasoning - unlike animals who have no concept of the fact that they are naked - and will mate with any other animal.

Humans have free will, animals don't. We are all born naked, but only humans have the knowledge or desire to clothe. Humans are also the only species able to control whom they mate with or indeed to have relations but to produce no offspring (e.g. contraception). Animals have no such intellect.

Be naked, it is great to be naked - swim in the sea at dawn before sunrise, feel the water on your bare skin. But for heavens sake don't inflict your nudity on anyone else. For others and your own good.

Julia x

Agree totally with this post, unfortunately in this PC world we live in now rules are being imposed on us everyday, I have nothing against nudity and truely believe that if you dont hide things and it becomes the normal way of life nobody would be shocked!!! but afraid it dosent work like that in the majority of countries especially india. some indian men and women never see their partners naked!!!! let alone total strangers.
respect for other people's beliefs and lifestyles should be observed, as julia said do want you do but dont inflict what nudity on anyone else.
And yes it was a stupid thing to say that the shack owner shoul have stepped in !!!! forgot his earning money from all the leering indians that were there watching silly me!!!!

naranala Apr 23rd 2010 9:53 am

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When I visit Goa the first time in 1979, there where about 300 - 500 hippies from calangute to vagator. On the vagator beach, where I was living at that time, 90% of the people on the beach where completely naked.
As to my mind there was no any strange behaviour about sexuality like prostitutes, child abuse or rape cases. All this shit came with the charter tourists and the strange mindsets about sexuality we are growing up in the west. The local Hindu people in that time dit not care about to be naked. Saddhus from the Himalayas walked thru Goa some of them nagababas full naked. The women sometimes had only sarees no shirts and a lot to see, very natural.
In Chapora there was a local saddhu woman always topless.
I chose Asvem beach for many past years because it was possible to swim naked without bother anybody.
Since there are no more quite spots without chaishops I have to use bathing trunks. Uhh I hate wet bathing trunks. And I miss the lost paradise a lot. Some of us are beautyfull, some fat and ugly, this are just facts nothing to hide.

noni Apr 23rd 2010 10:06 am

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Originally Posted by naranala (Post 8516181)
When I visit Goa the first time in 1979, there where about 300 - 500 hippies from calangute to vagator. On the vagator beach, where I was living at that time, 90% of the people on the beach where completely naked.
As to my mind there was no any strange behaviour about sexuality like prostitutes, child abuse or rape cases. All this shit came with the charter tourists and the strange mindsets about sexuality we are growing up in the west. The local Hindu people in that time dit not care about to be naked. Saddhus from the Himalayas walked thru Goa some of them nagababas full naked. The women sometimes had only sarees no shirts and a lot to see, very natural.
In Chapora there was a local saddhu woman always topless.
I chose Asvem beach for many past years because it was possible to swim naked without bother anybody.
Since there are no more quite spots without chaishops I have to use bathing trunks. Uhh I hate wet bathing trunks. And I miss the lost paradise a lot. Some of us are beautyfull, some fat and ugly, this are just facts nothing to hide.

Each to their own, have seen people at Ashwen taking their cossies OFF just to go into the sea!. We saw an indian man walking naked on Candolim Beach, with just a bag over his shoulder - unfortunately for him, the local policeman was there after his bunce from the beach girls and made him put his pants on.

We also had a great laugh at a man in a lime green mankini - that was hilarious - he did it for a dare on Sundays, the expressions on the Indian Sunday T** watchers faces was absolutely brilliant.

gregit Apr 23rd 2010 10:56 am

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just wonder where all this dress code changed, women mainly topless, in Eastern culture I imagine for hundreds, of years. Western fully clothed to the neckline, for as long. Was it West taught Eastern, to cover up? Then decided that the benefits of going naked appealed to many? I also if had been walking on the beach with my young daughter, would have been appalled if a man was naked in front of her, would have felt I could explain if it was a women. What mixed emotions, personally not bothered, was more distressed seeing a larger older woman, walking in Candolim, in a see through top, and a brightly coloured thong. Sorry if that was you :thumbup:

dreadsoc Apr 23rd 2010 3:09 pm

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Originally Posted by gregit (Post 8516256)
just wonder where all this dress code changed, women mainly topless, in Eastern culture I imagine for hundreds, of years. Western fully clothed to the neckline, for as long. Was it West taught Eastern, to cover up? Then decided that the benefits of going naked appealed to many? I also if had been walking on the beach with my young daughter, would have been appalled if a man was naked in front of her, would have felt I could explain if it was a women. What mixed emotions, personally not bothered, was more distressed seeing a larger older woman, walking in Candolim, in a see through top, and a brightly coloured thong. Sorry if that was you :thumbup:

NIce snapshot of you in your Mankini Gregit !! Do you wear it often whilst in Goa? Your mustache needs a little trim though !!!! :rofl::rofl:

Dread - fashionista
x

noni Apr 23rd 2010 5:46 pm

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Originally Posted by dreadsoc (Post 8516684)
NIce snapshot of you in your Mankini Gregit !! Do you wear it often whilst in Goa? Your mustache needs a little trim though !!!! :rofl::rofl:

Dread - fashionista
x

Next year we will have our Christmas Party at Ashwen - no party clothes required. :rofl: :rofl: at least it will be warm enough.

goanstay Apr 23rd 2010 8:52 pm

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Originally Posted by gregit (Post 8516256)
just wonder where all this dress code changed, women mainly topless, in Eastern culture I imagine for hundreds, of years. Western fully clothed to the neckline, for as long. Was it West taught Eastern, to cover up? Then decided that the benefits of going naked appealed to many?

totally agree with this part of the post


Originally Posted by gregit (Post 8516256)
I also if had been walking on the beach with my young daughter, would have been appalled if a man was naked in front of her, would have felt I could explain if it was a women.

Was that because you would have to explain that that was a penis, it's just all of them are not that big?????:lol:


Originally Posted by gregit (Post 8516256)
What mixed emotions, personally not bothered, was more distressed seeing a larger older woman, walking in Candolim, in a see through top, and a brightly coloured thong. Sorry if that was you :thumbup:

Agree with that bit as well.........


I was on Asvem beach today, saw about four people all day. The only one who came and approached me was a lamani, so if he was offended _ do I give a s**t.????????
Anybody else who was offended by my meat an 2 veg, I apologise to..... but you must have been using binoculars

Discreet is my other name.......................

k800mer Apr 26th 2010 11:27 am

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Originally Posted by goanstay (Post 8517337)
totally agree with this part of the post



Was that because you would have to explain that that was a penis, it's just all of them are not that big?????:lol:



Agree with that bit as well.........


I was on Asvem beach today, saw about four people all day. The only one who came and approached me was a lamani, so if he was offended _ do I give a s**t.????????
Anybody else who was offended by my meat an 2 veg, I apologise to..... but you must have been using binoculars

Discreet is my other name.......................


Where ever I travel I abide as far as I possibly can by the customs of the country and I obay the law. Customs may change over time but I do not believe it is up to me to try and change them in another country. Add to that the fact that there is no uglier site than a naked man or women who are well past their prime and either scrawny and wrinkly or fat showing off their all. Why do it.

noni Apr 26th 2010 2:07 pm

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Meaux - Oh my God! have only just come on line - wonder how many of the others saw this post - must be the russian prossies :rofl:

noni Apr 26th 2010 2:11 pm

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Originally Posted by goanstay (Post 8517337)
totally agree with this part of the post



Was that because you would have to explain that that was a penis, it's just all of them are not that big?????:lol:



Agree with that bit as well.........


I was on Asvem beach today, saw about four people all day. The only one who came and approached me was a lamani, so if he was offended _ do I give a s**t.????????
Anybody else who was offended by my meat an 2 veg, I apologise to..... but you must have been using binoculars

Discreet is my other name.......................

Well no clothes definately has advantages with the baggage allowance :rofl:
I was listening to Jeremey Vine on the radio coming back from town and they had Muslims on - Muslim only Schools, which we pay for. How their women can only wear the veil and black outfits, made my blood boil. Wonder what they would wear on Asvem beach.

k800mer Apr 26th 2010 2:33 pm

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 8522230)
Well no clothes definately has advantages with the baggage allowance :rofl:
I was listening to Jeremey Vine on the radio coming back from town and they had Muslims on - Muslim only Schools, which we pay for. How their women can only wear the veil and black outfits, made my blood boil. Wonder what they would wear on Asvem beach.

This country (UK) is the most tolerant in the world I think but as I do not try to impose my views in other countries I do not think that people coming from other countries and cultures should be able to impose their views and customs here. I think the French actually have it right in banning burka's from school. I have seen women in burka's on Baga beach. What does amuse me is the Indian women who go in the sea in their saris which when wet become see through. My one swimming costumes are not see through and when I move around I cover up.

msj5 Apr 26th 2010 2:42 pm

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 8522230)
Well no clothes definately has advantages with the baggage allowance :rofl:
I was listening to Jeremey Vine on the radio coming back from town and they had Muslims on - Muslim only Schools, which we pay for. How their women can only wear the veil and black outfits, made my blood boil. Wonder what they would wear on Asvem beach.

Have you ever been behind one of these Muslim women at immigration with sun glasses on????Could be any terrorist behind that bhurka!!!!!

wheatsheaf Apr 26th 2010 2:55 pm

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Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 8522282)
Have you ever been behind one of these Muslim women at immigration with sun glasses on????Could be any terrorist behind that bhurka!!!!!

I was once. And noticed lots of dandruff on her patent leather high heels

noni Apr 26th 2010 3:12 pm

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Well Wheat - I am lost for an answer to that one. :rofl:

Bipat Apr 26th 2010 4:23 pm

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 8522230)
Well no clothes definately has advantages with the baggage allowance :rofl:
I was listening to Jeremey Vine on the radio coming back from town and they had Muslims on - Muslim only Schools, which we pay for. How their women can only wear the veil and black outfits, made my blood boil. Wonder what they would wear on Asvem beach.

I would agree with you that face veils should not be worn in schools and law courts etc. but the majority of Muslim women in UK and India do not wear the Hijab etc., in UK many wear headscarves along with 'Western' clothes, in India most wear Salwar Kameez. Obviously the growing number of 'radical extremists' is worrying but they are still fortunately a minority.

noni Apr 26th 2010 4:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 8522489)
I would agree with you that face veils should not be worn in schools and law courts etc. but the majority of Muslim women in UK and India do not wear the Hijab etc., in UK many wear headscarves along with 'Western' clothes, in India most wear Salwar Kameez. Obviously the growing number of 'radical extremists' is worrying but they are still fortunately a minority.

Especially when they are allowed through the airports customs with the veils on. That is disgusting - anybody could be under the garments.:thumbdown:

dreadsoc Apr 26th 2010 8:26 pm

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One ridiculous situation in the UK is that women can wear the face covering hijab when presenting a photograph for official identification cards, including driving licences, passports etc.
This is absolutley absurd - and has enabled some of these women, by switching around the order of their names, to obtain multiple national insurance and social security numbers, thereby enabling the claiming of benefits in several different names (I have personally seen evidence of this !)

Also it has been highly suspected that some of the men wanted for Terrorism offences have escaped the country by dressing in bhurkas and using womens passports.

No wonder UK borders are not safe and the country is skint !!!

It would be so much better if passports and ID documents included a fingerprint and livescans were installed to check everyone's fingerprints. That would prevent many benefit frauds and many immigration problems. It would be a far cheaper option as well!!

Dread - secure talking !
x

poppetjay Apr 26th 2010 8:37 pm

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Originally Posted by dreadsoc (Post 8522936)
One ridiculous situation in the UK is that women can wear the face covering hijab when presenting a photograph for official identification cards, including driving licences, passports etc.
This is absolutley absurd - and has enabled some of these women, by switching around the order of their names, to obtain multiple national insurance and social security numbers, thereby enabling the claiming of benefits in several different names (I have personally seen evidence of this !)

Also it has been highly suspected that some of the men wanted for Terrorism offences have escaped the country by dressing in bhurkas and using womens passports.

No wonder UK borders are not safe and the country is skint !!!

It would be so much better if passports and ID documents included a fingerprint and livescans were installed to check everyone's fingerprints. That would prevent many benefit frauds and many immigration problems. It would be a far cheaper option as well!!

Dread - secure talking !
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On one of my many journeys I witnessed a arab women creating big time because the only seat left was next to a man and she refused to sit down, the poor guy didnt know where to put his face, she was completely covered from head to foot and made such a fuss, of course they gave into her in the end and moved the passengers around to suit her,
I know what i'd have told her to do,,,,,,but they get away with it law unto themseleves...

Goacrazy56 Apr 27th 2010 3:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 8522489)
I would agree with you that face veils should not be worn in schools and law courts etc. but the majority of Muslim women in UK and India do not wear the Hijab etc., in UK many wear headscarves along with 'Western' clothes, in India most wear Salwar Kameez. Obviously the growing number of 'radical extremists' is worrying but they are still fortunately a minority.

You obviously haven't been to Sparkbrook, Small Heath or Alum Rock in Birmingham if you think they don't wear the Hijab:rofl: there isn't a face to be seen I can assure you
GC:rofl:

johnny five Apr 27th 2010 3:50 pm

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Or High Wycombe, Southall, Wembley, in fact most of North-west London. The only place I have regularly encountered Muslim women dressed in the same way as everybody else, is in Goa, strangely enough.

As far as I can see its a convenient way for Muslim men to subjugate their womenfolk in the name of archaic relious practices.

And from what does it originate? From a male concern that if other men see the beauty of "their" woman they will be driven wild with desire and lose control.
Oh my God, we are back to the perverts on the beach with their brown underpants (dont you dare Dread!) and camera-phones, innit?

Bipat Apr 27th 2010 4:16 pm

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[QUOTE=johnny five;8524928]Or High Wycombe, Southall, Wembley, in fact most of North-west London. The only place I have regularly encountered Muslim women dressed in the same way as everybody else, is in Goa, strangely enough.]
We are talking about the whole of the UK here, not just particular areas.
If women are dressed in the same way as everybody else, do you know that they are Muslim? You may be missing some!!

gregit Apr 27th 2010 4:24 pm

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Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8524928)
Or High Wycombe, Southall, Wembley, in fact most of North-west London. The only place I have regularly encountered Muslim women dressed in the same way as everybody else, is in Goa, strangely enough.

As far as I can see its a convenient way for Muslim men to subjugate their womenfolk in the name of archaic relious practices.

And from what does it originate? From a male concern that if other men see the beauty of "their" woman they will be driven wild with desire and lose control.
Oh my God, we are back to the perverts on the beach with their brown underpants (dont you dare Dread!) and camera-phones, innit?

Did you know Johnnny five you can often tell by which side of their nose is pierced, don't know the story behind that but most Indians seem to have a understanding for this

wheatsheaf Apr 27th 2010 4:34 pm

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Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8524928)
Or High Wycombe, Southall, Wembley, in fact most of North-west London. The only place I have regularly encountered Muslim women dressed in the same way as everybody else, is in Goa, strangely enough.

As far as I can see its a convenient way for Muslim men to subjugate their womenfolk in the name of archaic relious practices.

And from what does it originate? From a male concern that if other men see the beauty of "their" woman they will be driven wild with desire and lose control.
Oh my God, we are back to the perverts on the beach with their brown underpants (dont you dare Dread!) and camera-phones, innit?

Ive always found it extremely difficult to decide on the whys and wherefores of the burkha and such like, and so honestly do not have any opinions on its uses etc. However, today, where the garb is a potential cloak for criminal activity, and it has already shown to be, I think it's users have an obligation as upright citizens to not wear it in it's fullness and to display their own desire to reduce the anxieties and fears of their fellow countrymen. In not doing so, they are compounding their own alienation. To ask people to willingly live alongside potential unknown threats constantly is not acceptable anywhere in the world. In continuing to wear such clothing to the extent it is being worn, is to knowingly cause discomfort to others and surely cannot be a tenet of any religious belief.

Goacrazy56 Apr 27th 2010 4:43 pm

Re: Nudists beaches in Goa !!!
 

Originally Posted by wheatsheaf (Post 8525031)
Ive always found it extremely difficult to decide on the whys and wherefores of the burkha and such like, and so honestly do not have any opinions on its uses etc. However, today, where the garb is a potential cloak for criminal activity, and it has already shown to be, I think it's users have an obligation as upright citizens to not wear it in it's fullness and to display their own desire to reduce the anxieties and fears of their fellow countrymen. In not doing so, they are compounding their own alienation. To ask people to willingly live alongside potential unknown threats constantly is not acceptable anywhere in the world. In continuing to wear such clothing to the extent it is being worn, is to knowingly cause discomfort to others and surely cannot be a tenet of any religious belief.

I totally agree Wheatsheaf infact France has just banned them and I think the UK should do the same
GC:thumbsup:

noni Apr 27th 2010 5:26 pm

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Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8524928)
Or High Wycombe, Southall, Wembley, in fact most of North-west London. The only place I have regularly encountered Muslim women dressed in the same way as everybody else, is in Goa, strangely enough.

As far as I can see its a convenient way for Muslim men to subjugate their womenfolk in the name of archaic relious practices.

And from what does it originate? From a male concern that if other men see the beauty of "their" woman they will be driven wild with desire and lose control.
Oh my God, we are back to the perverts on the beach with their brown underpants (dont you dare Dread!) and camera-phones, innit?

#I am not putting brown underpants on my line. Indian wigwams:rofl:

johnny five Apr 27th 2010 7:18 pm

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[QUOTE=Bipat;8524989]

Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8524928)
Or High Wycombe, Southall, Wembley, in fact most of North-west London. The only place I have regularly encountered Muslim women dressed in the same way as everybody else, is in Goa, strangely enough.]
We are talking about the whole of the UK here, not just particular areas.
If women are dressed in the same way as everybody else, do you know that they are Muslim? You may be missing some!!


but the majority of Muslim women in UK and India do not wear the Hijab
Whose sweeping statement was that?

Could it have come from someone who hates the use of "all" indians, or "all goans"?

The whole of the UK?

Since Muslim immigrants tend (tend is a flexible term) to live in concentrated communities in certain parts of the UK, then looking at the UK in general is pointless isnt it?
How many hijabs/burkas/etc are you likely to see in the Shetlands, or the Yorkshire moors, or Henley-on-Thames, or Salisbury Plain, or Eton?
Of course its localised.
Your obsessive need to argue with anything that doesnt fit you "model", be it phraseology, racial issues, religious dogma etc has somewhat betrayed you here?
I have a delicious picture of you sat in a corner arguing with yourself, I shall sleep easy tonight on that basis, with a simile (sic) on my face.

Bipat Apr 27th 2010 9:00 pm

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[QUOTE=johnny five;8525434]

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 8524989)



Whose sweeping statement was that?

Could it have come from someone who hates the use of "all" indians, or "all goans"?

The whole of the UK?

Since Muslim immigrants tend (tend is a flexible term) to live in concentrated communities in certain parts of the UK, then looking at the UK in general is pointless isnt it?
How many hijabs/burkas/etc are you likely to see in the Shetlands, or the Yorkshire moors, or Henley-on-Thames, or Salisbury Plain, or Eton?
Of course its localised.
Your obsessive need to argue with anything that doesnt fit you "model", be it phraseology, racial issues, religious dogma etc has somewhat betrayed you here?
I have a delicious picture of you sat in a corner arguing with yourself, I shall sleep easy tonight on that basis, with a simile (sic) on my face.


Bipat Apr 27th 2010 9:11 pm

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[QUOTE=johnny five;8525434]

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 8524989)



Whose sweeping statement was that?

Could it have come from someone who hates the use of "all" indians, or "all goans"?

The whole of the UK?

Since Muslim immigrants tend (tend is a flexible term) to live in concentrated communities in certain parts of the UK, then looking at the UK in general is pointless isnt it?
How many hijabs/burkas/etc are you likely to see in the Shetlands, or the Yorkshire moors, or Henley-on-Thames, or Salisbury Plain, or Eton?
Of course its localised.
Your obsessive need to argue with anything that doesnt fit you "model", be it phraseology, racial issues, religious dogma etc has somewhat betrayed you here?
I have a delicious picture of you sat in a corner arguing with yourself, I shall sleep easy tonight on that basis, with a simile (sic) on my face.

What I really hate is racialism and the idea that some bad Indians/Goans/Muslims mean freedom to insult the lot. As I have explained to Noni I will not be contributing further so you can sleep very easily. (See 'more Goans head for the Uk'), I will be in my corner happily looking at my newborn Indian/English grandson.

noni Apr 27th 2010 9:16 pm

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[QUOTE=Bipat;8525698]

Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 8525434)

What I really hate is racialism and the idea that some bad Indians/Goans/Muslims mean freedom to insult the lot. As I have explained to Noni I will not be contributing further so you can sleep very easily. (See 'more Goans head for the Uk'), I will be in my corner happily looking at my newborn Indian/English grandson.

:)
Congratulations on the new baby.

dreadsoc Apr 28th 2010 12:23 am

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 8525174)
#I am not putting brown underpants on my line. Indian wigwams:rofl:


Oh yes you are !!!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::wub: Sorry Milwart !!!

Dread - tee hee
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