morse

But Goan law is made up from day to day

a_f_d

true, but if the Sub-Registrar refuses to register a deed and also refuses to issue a refusal reason/letter then you have an immediate case to take to the High Court

AndyD 8-)#.

morse

He is seeing his Advocate at the end of the week, will update you.

noni

Have also heard of a lady who was treated the same this week.
So if she could not sell with an Agreement of Sale. How can we do it with Registered Deeds. Even I am getting confused now. I thought these people were in a better position than us.

a_f_d

Hi Noni,
you can't sell with an A for S -but if the person you 'bought' off is amenable you can change the names on the Agreement by (iirc) a Deed of Assignment. This way you end up never having 'owned' the property.

AndyD 8-)#

noni

Have heard of this, and then some builders charge up to £2000 for the name change and some possibly more. (Head down and enjoy our time here)

Dellon

Hi Goan troubleshooters!

I have not been on for a while! Like most people I am one of the 400 who invested in an apartment 4 years ago and looking at the possibility of confiscation!

My deeds were registered before I arrived in Goa to pick the keys up... I didn't ask for them to be registered, but they were and I trusted the owner like most people! I had not completed my 183 days before purchase, I was told that I had 3 years to do it! I did not inform the RBI of my intentions, so I am pretty vulnerable...

Is there any way you can find out that all the names on that list of 400 people! I have been to see the Enforcement Directorate and was told what to say which was a bit odd! I have received nothing else and have heard that most people have had second letters to go to Mumbai... Also, can I find out who the property is registered to at the Sub-Registrars, to see if the ownership has been changed from my name!

Because of the corruption on a mass scale of what I have seen! I have an hunch that I may be being duped and it was a set up! When I say I have seen the corruption, I don't say it lightly... There may have been some collusion between the owner and the DoE!

Your thoughts please...

Regards

Dellon

poppetjay

Under the right to information act anyone can go to the sub-registrars office and ask to see the list, when you register deeds (before it was computerised) both the seller and the buyer had to be there to sign and put your fingerprints on the deeds infront of the officer, so if you didnt do that the deeds cant be legal.

a_f_d

... well the deeds might be legal but they can't have been Registered - but it's easy enough to check - the Register is in the public domain - you can just go and inspect it, and get a copy of the entry if you want one (fee Rs. ??)

AndyD 8-)#

P.S. You can put your inky prints and photo's on the document and pay the 2% Registration Fee but it still ain't Registered - not until the Sub-Registrar "orders it for Registration" and enters it in the Book (which he is refusing to do for FN's).

Dellon

Thanks for comments!

The apartment is worth around treble to what I paid for it! I have been offered my money back! Do I take it and run or do I wait to see what happens! My case is more vulnerable insofar as that I wasn't there to register the deeds and it was done without my knowing! What are my chances???

morse

Dellon do you think you have an Agreement of Sale and not a Registered Sale Deed? I know when we took ours to be registered, we did the finger prints, photo's etc. along with the builder at the Registery office, but we did not have the actual deeds back Registered until we returned to Goa the next season. Perhaps this was because we went home immediately in April after the Registration. We had to do our 182 days and then the Deeds were Registered in the next financial year, which started in April. So we all stayed in Goa and left the first week of april after registration.

We have been told by the Builders Association that it could take 10 years.
Advice for you - it is up to you. Builders will only give you what you paid for it + furniture if you have the receipts. Their profit is going to be when they resell at least 100% profit. Will you builder give you treble, I think not.

If push came to shove, I would be glad to take the money I paid, as we have had six seasons of 6 months holidays. Just hope that time does not come, as we love Goa, with all its pecularities.

Especially now with the terrorist attacks, and what are the police doing - men in karki, on the beach counting sunbeds and getting rid of massage girls etc. There are so many more important things to do. Not lining their pockets at check points for 10 rups a vehicle, surely are lives are worth more than that?

Wishing you all a safe New Year.

johnny five

Morse,
pm-ed you. (they dont seem to "pop-up" anymore?)

morse

Nor does reply 'pop up' anymore. Must give the site viagra.

Dellon

Thanks for your comments

On arrival I signed both Sale of Agreement and Sale Deeds without going to the sub-registrars to put my finger prints on the deeds! The owner handed the keys over and said I had 3 years to complete my 182 days...

Naive yes, but at the time I was going through a divorce and just wanted to get the hell out of here!

So everything is wrong and I am vulnerable, so is selling it back to the owner, the best way forward?

Question! Does anybody know anything? Is there any talk of a solution to all these problems and how long may we hear, before a decision is made?

Anybody know of any 2 or 3 weeks cheap flights in the next 8 days?

Regards

Dellon

Daff

Hi Dellon,
Don't know where you want to go from but this was in the Goan Voice today http://uk.holidays.travelzoo.com/longhaul/493750
WRT your question as to when and where things may be sorted its almost reached a state of every man (and woman) for themselves, get out with as much as you can as soon as you can and don't trust any builders, advocates or 'friends' unless you know them VERY VERY well.:curse::curse:
Keep on board with us, at least you can get some support and sympathy.
Good luck