Dogs on the Beach
 

As Goanstay says - new thread.

Fed up of dogs pissing on my bed and clothes, and to-day bit an Indian (six in the pack) and then bit the Chef of our shack who was only walking up the beach. I say they should be sorted. The Chef was on his way to hospital has the bit was pretty bad!!
:blah: yes I know some of you will disagree!!!

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If they won't have them 'put down' perhaps a programme of spaying could be started? This would cut down the amount of dogs roaming around. In the Greek Islands where they have done this with the cats there has been a big improvement. Just a thought.

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International Animal Rescue tried doing that for a few years, but to be honest there are so many of these stray dogs roaming in packs now that they are an absolute danger to the public.
They scavenge in packs and can be quite vicious, especially after dark when they are prone to attacking pedestrians.
It is sad as the animal are mangy, but I think the only thing which would be effective is culling them.

Dread - x

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Tina 1 a lot are spayed, but they need their teeth taken out. Piddles has a bad leg, the next door shack has not treated him, anyway he can't cock his other leg up now over our beds.:sunglasses:

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Many of the dogs around pack up at night, even the domestic ones.

On the road up to Highlands there are about 4 domestic dogs from the houses up the lane. At night they can sound quite vicious and bark. I've found that talking to them in a calm voice sorts most dogs out, and I've now got it to the point that one of them meets me at the bottom of the lane and then escorts me home.

The same dogs are very aggressive towards to some Indians even during the day. At the end of last season, I saw the jeweller at the bottom throwing stones at one of the dogs whilst the dog was barking at him. I reprimanded the jeweller and asked why? His reply was that the dog had been barking at him all season and he was fed up with it. I said that throwing stones would only make it worse and why didn't he try talking to them instead.

I have seen many dogs who attack / are aggressive towards Indians all over the place yet generally not towards us whiteys. Attitudes like that may be the reason, I can't think of another.

I have been down the beach just before the sun came up and was followed down to the beach by a dog who was lying down on the Beach Road. (He too started to bark at me until I spoke to him and calmed him down) We got to the beach and about 8~10 dogs from the shacks started barking aggressively and then suddenly rushed towards us. I must admit I became scared, but talked calmly to them and all but two calmed down. One started to attack my friendly dog so I stepped towards it and barked and he moved away. I did the same to the other one and he backed away. At the end I was escorted back from the beach by all of them.

I know in England if a dog actually bites a human causing him to go to hospital it is likely to be put down. Not sure if that applies over here.

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Spaying the dogs may see some improvements in around 10-15 years time but what about the thousands of dogs there now, that are unloved, mistrusting, covered in mange, emaciated, vicious?

I think culling is the only way to deal with the problem.

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As it was 15 years ago!

The problem has escalated too far now!!

The two young English vets who initially started up IAR and went round in their goods carrier picking up stray dogs and neutering them did a fab job!!Sadly that was not continued by IAR in the hands of the current manager!!They will collect stray dogs and do the necessary if they are asked to.
Its more of a money making venture these days than a charity!!
If young puppies are taken there they put them down.....:eek:

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Well that's something.

Problem is culling has social/ animal-welfare/ religious complications (though I know for a fact that in some of the 'colonies' they pay someone to shoot the strays).
In Goa the rule is "I'm agin it - what is it?"

AndyD 8-)#

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To everyone who is in Goa, there is no point moaning about the dogs on here, whilst you are over there call International Animal Rescue and report the gangs of dogs and they will come out and de sex them and release them.
This does have a immediate affect on the numbers of stray dogs.
Also for your info the Indian gov does support this by paying some money per de sex.
Maybe whilst you are over there you could even call IAR and support the cost of one or two dogs per season, I'm sure they would so grateful!

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I can't see this a solution - sorry. So the are de sexed and released - to what? Starvation, disease?.....and lets not forget, dogs need love and discipline in order to live happy lives. De sexing won't give them any of that. And whilst they remain on the streets in packs, some, will continue to be vicious.

Let's be honest, most, not all, Indians/Goans don't really treat dogs very well. In their great struggle of life, the dogs are way down their list of priority.

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Are you sure they are still doing this? I heard they stopped.

I am not sure that just de sexing the dogs is the way. They still end up back on the streets in aggressive packs scavanging for food, diseased and mangy etc. after being given love and care for a few days.
They are not happy creatures. Nobody wants them so surely humane euthansia would be kinder?

Dread - x

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At least if they are de sexed they cannot breed and produce the next generation of dogs.

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I know but msj5 said they done that 10 years ago and there are still as many as ever. ?

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The strays are around cos of the attitude of the locals to their dogs!

My neighbour has a 3 yr old bitch who has produced 18 puppies in 3 years!!!

I have offered to take her dog for sterilisation in my car 2 times now.....I`ve give up...she says she can`t afford it ...or that people who have un neutered male dogs should tie them up and not let them roam ......not suprising there are so many strays if this is the attitude of the owners.

I am a serious dog lover and it greives me to see these dogs scavenging...even dogs that have homes here with the Goans go scavenging as they are bottom of the chain and survive on left overs.

Culling during the Monsoon has to be bought back!!

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I agree with above posts.
There is a new Animal Welfare Bill in progress, but does not seem to mention strays.
Maneka Gandhi who was responsible for stopping the culling when she was Minister for Animal Welfare has an organisation and web site with means of contacting her.
If enough people from Goa e-mail it might have some effect.

http://www.peopleforanimalsindia.org...ka-gandhi.html

I do think though the large number dogs on beaches is to some extent the result of tourism and feeding. South of the border where we stay there are strays but not so many as to be a problem. They are rarely seen on the beach, as there are no shacks or foreign tourists for food.

(Last visit, this year, the gossip went round about an incident of domestic violence in a nearby house, it even reached the newspapers.
Apparently the wife had set up a rehab. center for several stray dogs in the house!!! she claimed it was necessary for taming them. Husband didn't agree.)

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Yes Tina that;s right, believe me I'm involved in this where I live and it works.
The biggest problem is the locals will not pay for the de-sexing, so if it upsets you all instead of culling please dig deep and pay for these local dogs to be done and YOU will see the numbers drop down every season.

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Doesn't stop them biting you, and piddling on your beds. :nod:

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Have you offered to drive her and the dog to the clinic only or have you offered to pay for it?
Please don;t give up, 18 pups/dogs over 3 years that will be hundreds of pups just from this one neighbour.
Where I live even though I know the local villagers have plenty of money they will not pay for the de-sex of there dogs and thats it.
Keep on at her, and insist its sorted out.
Culling is the last resort, its barbaric!

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If one bitch in 50 and one dog in 500 is missed you will not affect the numbers.

AndyD 8-)#

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When I met the guy from IAR some years ago he was in touch with MG - there was some arrangement - maybe money, maybe visas; NOC's etc. I don't know.

MG is a way-out animal rights fanatic; she'd cull non-vegetarians before she'd cull dogs.

AndyD 8-)#

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This neighbour is not hard up !!

Just stupid!!!

Feel as if I`m banging my head on a brick wall!

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Agree with you about MG, but who else with any power has done anything much positive for animal welfare? At least if she was made more aware of the problems in this particular state.??? I thought at least worth a try.

(No reply from my e-mail yet).

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It grieves me to see the packs of dogs, and so many of them.
I find it barbaric that these dogs are left to roam - they are diseased, they are mangy, they are hungry, they scavenge, they attack each other and humans, and they have a horrible existence. Worse still if they are injured they risk dying a painful and nasty death from infection and the like.
Nobody wants these animals, they are unhappy. Surely it is far more barbaric to leave them in this state than to humanely euthanase them?

Even de sexing them does not give the ones I have seen roaming in packs a better life.

Dread - x

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I am inclined to agree with you Andy.
H x

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They are never hard up, but the problem is they just don't care about the welfare of the dogs, keep banging on at her, call IAR and they will talk to her in her native tongue, they will de-sex them and give them the rabies shots etc and then your problem will stop.
Are the dogs registered in her name? if not you don,t need permission from her to de sex those dogs, just call IAR and report this problem, they can pick them up do the op and drop them of she probably would,nt even notice that its been done.

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I think you will notice the numbers, one bitch = approx 6-8 pups, 50 bitches = 300 + pups per season and that's alot of dogs.

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Call IAR they will, de-sex, treat them for mange, jab them up and the very poorly one's humanely put them down.

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Can you please put the telephone number of IAR on here - if they will still do this I shall certainly call them - they will be very busy in Calangute !

Dread - x

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International Animal Rescue.....0832 2268272 or 0832 2268328

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I wonder how many 'owned' dogs are registered in India? I think she would notice the wound! and not very good for neighbourhood relationships to secretly whisk off their bitches :D Plenty of others to keep IAR going.

PS (Is it just me or does "In her native tongue" sound a little Blytonesque)
:unsure:

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She has perfectly good English !
And it`s not actually my problem.
Registered!!!! Mine aren`t even registered!

IAR will not desex for free if you own an animal ...you have to be able to prove you are BPL to get free treatment.
Earlier this year IAR doubled the price of spaying bitches which doesn`t exactly encourage people to go. Does it?

When you`re next at IAR ask how much money is spent out to feed the paid staff and voluneers every day!!!

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Previous two posts.............reality :thumbsup:

Some of the other condescending cr@p? :rofl::rofl::rofl:


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Some one who has perfectly good English still might not understand or want to understand the stress she is causing, maybe someone in IAR who is maybe a vet could convince her to de-sex her dogs.
Also how do they prove the dog has an owner then if there is no registration in Goa/India.
People who work for the IAR where are they eating then, some where pricey every day?

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- yes in Calangute some of them are eating out at pricey places -especially the foreign females - also driving a rather nice car and visits an expensive shack at Ashvem a lot. And right up her own arse too !

Dread - x

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What,,,,,,.........?

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The point I am making here about the food is that is paidfor out of the funds!
Outside caterers cook the food and deliver it to IAR!
I know this for a fact because my maid used to do it!!
Whatever happened to tiffins!!
How many work places in Goa or the UK supply food for their staff????

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Must say I have only ever seen one "dog" here like a UK dog, clean and well looked after - not like Wookie and Dr. Foster.:scarper:

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Probably most places supply their staff with food in the lower paid jobs in Asia, this is the norm.
Out side caterers probably do it at a very good price being its a regular order, maybe works out a lot cheaper than take aways from a local restaurant.

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What the foreign female vets?
Vets where ever in the world get a good salary, or are they expected to work for free and just get there food, housing,and free transport??

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You really do not get my point do you!!!!!!

The general public make donations to IAR to feed and care for the animalsnot the staff who are on good salaries!!

Sadly the animals do not get decent food!!

How does doubling the price of sterilisation help to deal with stray dogs!

You are obviously an avid supporter of IAR ! I wish you well in dealing with the problem of stray dogs in Goa!