emsirrah

What I hate about locking the door behind me in our rented flat is that I am telling the world that I am out - shove the bolt over on the outside and put on the biggest padlock you can find.
Leave on the TV and lights but the bolt says you are out so come and get what you want. My OH told me those bolts are so easy to undo so go out for 10 mins and I will be inside when you come back - and he was.
Not a criminal but a thinker.

wheatsheaf

There must be a way of locking inside from the outside. Wonder if places like Johannesburg have something?

a_f_d

I thought that but on closer examination it isn't that easy, there are a couple of bolts right through the door - just undoing the screws on the outside doesn't get you anywhere.

AndyD 8-)#

dreadsoc

Shoot bolts top and bottom - these are fitted into the door itself and you can operate with a key from outside - very difficult to force even with a tool, because the housing is hidden. Combined with a mortice lock, there is no need for any padlock. As both types of locks are key operated, noone just walking by can see whether you are in or out.
The hasp and padlock system can be forced off by jemmying the hasp or by cutting the padlock ring.

Dread - keep them out !

Mum2randa

Hi everyone,

Please excuse my ignorance on this matter - but no-one has ever mentioned "C" forms to us on our visits to Goa.
Can someone explain the nature and purpose of these forms and who they are applicable to?
Is it just FN`s, or all visitors including OCI &PIO`s?
I`ve visited three times now, the first two times in reted accommodation and the last time in our own apartment, but never heard of "C" forms before.....

poppetjay

"C" forms are used or should be if you are a visitor renting private accommdation , hotels do fill these in to, any visitor visiting goa whether indian PIO OIC etc renting accommdation. these should be filled in by your landlord and signed by you with a copy of your visa and passport.
It is to inform the police where you are staying and how long, some say for security reasons,incase of any incidents, some say its for the tax man not really sure to be quite honest

poppetjay

"C" forms are used or should be if you are a visitor renting private accommodation , hotels do fill these in to, any visitor visiting goa whether indian PIO OIC etc renting accommodation. these should be filled in by your landlord and signed by you with a copy of your visa and passport.
It is to inform the police where you are staying and how long, some say for security reasons,incase of any incidents, some say its for the tax man not really sure to be quite honest

johnny five

Whoa! Its that echo again?

Seriously though, "c" forms are only required to be filled out by foreigners. The system was introduced by the British at the start of WW2 (throughout the Empire) so that they could keep track of any Foreign Nationals (as in non British Empire) when they entered our territory as they could be spies or other undesirables.

As India prefers to mess about with inherited/existing legislation because they are basically too bone-idle to come up with new stuff, this legislation is still in force, but now the foreigners are the likes of us. To enforce this theory, the latest Goan legislation to interfere with FN's property rights was dragged up from the 1800's! (Refusal to register deeds etc)
How this legislaion is enforced for PIO's or OCI's I do not know but assuming the male half of a partnership is Indian and obviously so, due to the male-domination of Indian society I can see the liklihood that assumptions will be made and no signing of "C" forms needed.
Also, at the start of this thread I expressed doubt as to whether Packaged Tourists were subjected to this or if simply signing the hotel registered was accepted instead.............well, its looking likely to be the case as more responses come in, so if you have been coming on a charter this could be the case.
Comments please?

babu1

I'm sure many of us have had experience where 'C' Forms were never asked for, or an arrangement was understood between the landlord/lady and yourself that it was 'empty room, poor season, no tax'. That was fine by me , and something of a generous gesture (on my part) since there was no financial advantage to me, or otherwise. Infact, accomadation was usually hell for the money.

I spent an entire monsoon in such a room beachside, totally enclosed by blue tarpaulin; family moved into one of the seasonal guest renting rooms on the floor below. They kept messing about with the phasing of the electrics so that there was almost continual blackout, even though the rest of the area had electricity (sometimes).

Twigged to that, found the three phase board, and got my light and fan on again. Had to keep doing that, had to keep doing that, had to keep doing that..... What joy in a blued out festering, unventilated monsoonly humid room where all you want to do is read books sleep, drink beer, and maybe sleep, and I've got a framed print of the Sydney Harbour Bridge above the bedhead (explain the relevance ???). At least it wasn't one of those posters of platitude much favoured by the confessionally absolved pious; you know the ones....the posters, I mean. The 'Love is....' ones, usually with a polar bear on a melting ice cap or an alligator on valium.

I would expect that tourists who are packaged are deemed to have registered by signing in at reception desks, even if these are probably not 'C' Forms and doubt the lazy arsed Goan officials who are supposed to check on these things even get round to it 6 months after the fungal decomposition of the body at the morgue because visual identification is impossible and most aliens have arrived in their thousands by the abuse of the 48 Hour Emergency Temporary Landing Permit.

Aside from the eventuality of ending up dead on the railtracks, this discriminatory enforcement of 'C' Form nonsense is a further imbalance towards the packaged arrivals and acts against the family based 'walk in ' enterprises. That is the agenda of the shack policy (private land, attached to hotels only, until the 'ballot'), and that is the reason so many people who once enjoyed Goa as a flawed kind of laid back paradise are now deserting it for good.

These people ( I have nothing against 'Russians'; even if that nomenclature is flawed since many 'Russians' are actually from breakaway States of the USSR/ CCCP and have a bitter history of that regime ) can disappear into India at a Temporary Emergency Landing Fee of 30 dollars, and maybe the promise of a belly dance around the next State sponsered assembly of policemens' balls; that's a money laundering casino to you and me.

There are no security checks on these 'Russians', their antecedants, their intention of stay, whether they leave..... and they're coming in now from the 'Stans', not exactly the most shanti of areas to oppose the corruption and radicalisation of religious and socio/political ideas that have imbalanced the fragile democracy of India since the bloodshed of 1948. Islamisation (a corruption of Islam by the piously paralytic that is on the move with an agenda to wage war on the world ). Can you respect a credal wave that, at its most extreme, calls for your own extinction?

Government of India seems clueless regards the threats; and the threats certainly don't come from a bunch of Brits who bought property in Goa, or those who wished to live there long term, though karaoke is a worry.

The West has a mild ideology (mildness is its one idea); impeccably bland. Nobody's going to blow themselves to bits for that. Demographics. Cultual overrun in Europe within a generation, and the only shots fired (allegedly defending ourselves on foreign soils) where we impose the legacy of a tax cutting dry drunk from Texas who, on his Florida ballot rigging recount become the most powerful creationist in history and roped in Tony B so that war could be declared with all the authority of an English accent; another Crusader. Except the messsage and vengeance, and the religious imperialism is now coming from the East.

Banned from H Untruths for making 'holidaymakers' aware of the Travel in India, Goa update of 11th. November by the FCO, and other cautions against cultural devestation, karaoke, cultural devestation, karaoke, cultural devestation, karaoke, (....and karaoke). Oh, yes, and 'credible intelligence of terrorist threats by Mossad, CIA, Delhi... or maybe thet's just all hype.... bunkers on the beach, again.... so 4 battalions of Indian Infantry can get their jollies down Tito's Road at season time... who knows... ??).

'Think I'll pack it in and buy a pickup, take it down to LA, find a place to call my own and try to fix up, start a brand new day. The woman I'm thinking of she love me all of, but I'm so down today. She's so fine she's in my mind, I hear her calling...... See the lonely boy, out on the weekend trying to make it pay, can't relate to joy he tries to speak and can't begin to say......'

Neil Young, Harvest - 'Out On The Weekend'

Sorry, J5. Simple question didn't need an essay. Shit happens

wheatsheaf

"authority of an English accent"!!!. Poor ol Gord...hasnt a hope.

noni

I say vote Babu for Prime Minister, or Foreign Secretary and perhaps we will get something done.

Return of Santan

From Babu1 quote

'Think I'll pack it in and buy a pickup, take it down to LA, find a place to call my own and try to fix up, start a brand new day. The woman I'm thinking of she love me all of, but I'm so down today. She's so fine she's in my mind, I hear her calling...... See the lonely boy, out on the weekend trying to make it pay, can't relate to joy he tries to speak and can't begin to say......'

Who would have thought it ? our Babu1 a secret curryoke fan ( Mind you we always have thought you have a "Heart of Gold " )

K-C

dreadsoc

Our Babu might have a heart of gold, and a pen of platinum, but he sure ain't stupid enough to list his valuables on a C form, thereby inviting any thief to come steal it when Babu goes out to play !

Be warned people, only list your valuables if you want the complication of a large insurance claim on returning from your 'relaxing' holiday in the sun ! That is once you get over your sunburn and dehydration after a day on the beach with no shacks open !!

Dread - Lock up yer bling !
x

johnny five

Thank you Judge Dread (I am the Law) for returning the thread to topic. Very few Long-termers, or God Forbid actual ex-pats have insurance to cover this type of theft.
My original motive for bringing this to the forum was not for the benefit of short-stay folk, most of them have, or should have, insurance cover. But if you are longer stay, even if you have shelled out the sums involved, if you are burgled can you imagine the wriggling if you claim for a fridge/freezer, or a 29" tv, or an invertor etc...............well, you covered us for a 5 month stay and we couldnt live without them.........which part of p*ss off don't you understand?