UK votes to leave
Jun 25th 2016, 9:25 pm
#47
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Re: UK votes to leave
IMHO, this vote will reverberate across history for millennia. It's deeply depressing to read here (and almost everywhere else) about people who can only think about themselves.
The wider picture of migration, greed and overpopulation are ignored in a vote which is based on self-interest and, in many cases, bigotry.
One of the more disturbing results is how many older people voted "out" and how many younger people voted "remain"(scroll down):
EU referendum: The result in maps and charts - BBC News
So the old decided the future for the young. The cosy, relatively affluent retired decided the future for the less-well off, younger people.
The dreadfully imperfect EU was a symbol of an advanced democracy, where the concept of the nation state was becoming blurred. That's about the best way there is to live together in peace, without petty nationalism causing skirmish - and war.
But that's too big a picture for the many to understand.
Instead, let's focus on UK transport costs rising by up to 6% this week because sterling has already crashed. Heating costs will inevitably follow. Moody's have now placed the UK economy as "negative" which will lead to higher inter-bank interest rates, which will lead to higher mortgages. Multi-nationals are looking at their UK-based way of accessing the European market and will already be making decisions to leave.
But of course mortgages don't concern most of those who voted for a self-interested Brexit.
The wider picture of migration, greed and overpopulation are ignored in a vote which is based on self-interest and, in many cases, bigotry.
One of the more disturbing results is how many older people voted "out" and how many younger people voted "remain"(scroll down):
EU referendum: The result in maps and charts - BBC News
So the old decided the future for the young. The cosy, relatively affluent retired decided the future for the less-well off, younger people.
The dreadfully imperfect EU was a symbol of an advanced democracy, where the concept of the nation state was becoming blurred. That's about the best way there is to live together in peace, without petty nationalism causing skirmish - and war.
But that's too big a picture for the many to understand.
Instead, let's focus on UK transport costs rising by up to 6% this week because sterling has already crashed. Heating costs will inevitably follow. Moody's have now placed the UK economy as "negative" which will lead to higher inter-bank interest rates, which will lead to higher mortgages. Multi-nationals are looking at their UK-based way of accessing the European market and will already be making decisions to leave.
But of course mortgages don't concern most of those who voted for a self-interested Brexit.
No! NOT just about about self-interest.
I also, and I'm sure anyone with half a brain, see that the world from 23 June is now a much more unstable and dangerous place with consequences far beyond the interests of a piddling little island country somewhere north of europe.
Jun 26th 2016, 9:33 am
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Re: UK votes to leave
You've got the capital letters wrong. I would agree with:
"No! Not JUST about about self-interest."
Go through the thread and look at the numbers of comments talking about who feels a winner/loser and you'll find that a majority - a significant majority - of posts focussing on personal circumstances.
If you've the stomach for it , go to "The Locker Room" part of the Forum and get a sense of total selfishness.
"No! Not JUST about about self-interest."
Go through the thread and look at the numbers of comments talking about who feels a winner/loser and you'll find that a majority - a significant majority - of posts focussing on personal circumstances.
If you've the stomach for it , go to "The Locker Room" part of the Forum and get a sense of total selfishness.
Jun 26th 2016, 7:23 pm
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Re: UK votes to leave
On a happier note, seeing that the EU is almost certainly Fcd, isn't any pretensions to a Scotland independence referendum a moot point? So at least the UK might gloriously continue forward into brighter days...
Actually, given that the EU is almost certainly £$"!%, you have to wonder what the Scottish MP's are doing with this kind of meaningless rhetoric?? Quit the UK to join...what...??
Actually, given that the EU is almost certainly £$"!%, you have to wonder what the Scottish MP's are doing with this kind of meaningless rhetoric?? Quit the UK to join...what...??
There are 650 MPs in the House of Commons with 59 MPs from Scotland (about 9% of total). There are only 6 MEPs from Scotland out of a total of 751 MEPs (0.8% of the total).
Another question is whether the EU would accept an independent Scotland as a 'successor' state of the UK with all the opt outs currently enjoy by the UK. If Scotland joins as a new member without these opt outs, she will need to join the Euro and Schengen Area (which means leaving the Common Travel Area and having need to introduce border checks with non Schengen countries). With a Scottish budget deficit to GDP currently at 7.8% (including North Sea oil revenue), will the EU rolls out the red carpet?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mes-greater-uk
Jun 26th 2016, 8:05 pm
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Re: UK votes to leave
Scotland will have even less influence in the EU.
There are 650 MPs in the House of Commons with 59 MPs from Scotland (about 9% of total). There are only 6 MEPs from Scotland out of a total of 751 MEPs (0.8% of the total).
Another question is whether the EU would accept an independent Scotland as a 'successor' state of the UK with all the opt outs currently enjoy by the UK. If Scotland joins as a new member without these opt outs, she will need to join the Euro and Schengen Area (which means leaving the Common Travel Area and having need to introduce border checks with non Schengen countries). With a Scottish budget deficit to GDP currently at 7.8% (including North Sea oil revenue), will the EU rolls out the red carpet?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mes-greater-uk
There are 650 MPs in the House of Commons with 59 MPs from Scotland (about 9% of total). There are only 6 MEPs from Scotland out of a total of 751 MEPs (0.8% of the total).
Another question is whether the EU would accept an independent Scotland as a 'successor' state of the UK with all the opt outs currently enjoy by the UK. If Scotland joins as a new member without these opt outs, she will need to join the Euro and Schengen Area (which means leaving the Common Travel Area and having need to introduce border checks with non Schengen countries). With a Scottish budget deficit to GDP currently at 7.8% (including North Sea oil revenue), will the EU rolls out the red carpet?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mes-greater-uk
Jun 26th 2016, 8:28 pm
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Re: UK votes to leave
However, the UK being a net contributor of the EU budget (paying in more money than she receives from EU grants) even after the rebate. That why I think the EU did that deal with Cameron in February 2016 hoping that the UK will stay in the EU. If Scotland joins the EU on its own, will she become a net contributor to the EU budget? Even the madam up north wants Scotland to be a net contributor of the EU budget (I do not think this is likely), where is the money coming from? After all, oil is now below US$50 a barrel, not the US$100 a barrel level we saw a few years back.
Jun 27th 2016, 7:48 am
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Well the madam up north may think the EU wants Scotland to stay inside the EU.
However, the UK being a net contributor of the EU budget (paying in more money than she receives from EU grants) even after the rebate. That why I think the EU did that deal with Cameron in February 2016 hoping that the UK will stay in the EU. If Scotland joins the EU on its own, will she become a net contributor to the EU budget? Even the madam up north wants Scotland to be a net contributor of the EU budget (I do not think this is likely), where is the money coming from? After all, oil is now below US$50 a barrel, not the US$100 a barrel level we saw a few years back.
However, the UK being a net contributor of the EU budget (paying in more money than she receives from EU grants) even after the rebate. That why I think the EU did that deal with Cameron in February 2016 hoping that the UK will stay in the EU. If Scotland joins the EU on its own, will she become a net contributor to the EU budget? Even the madam up north wants Scotland to be a net contributor of the EU budget (I do not think this is likely), where is the money coming from? After all, oil is now below US$50 a barrel, not the US$100 a barrel level we saw a few years back.
Jun 29th 2016, 9:34 am
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Re: UK votes to leave
T was a very interesting debate at Holyrood yesterday, Even the Scottish tories were keen to explore the possibilities of different realationships between the EU and Scotland.
People in Scotland seem to have been encouraged by the applause for the Scots MEP in the Brussels parliament.
Who knows we may have a "reverse Greenland"
People in Scotland seem to have been encouraged by the applause for the Scots MEP in the Brussels parliament.
Who knows we may have a "reverse Greenland"
Jun 29th 2016, 10:36 am
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Re: UK votes to leave
T was a very interesting debate at Holyrood yesterday, Even the Scottish tories were keen to explore the possibilities of different realationships between the EU and Scotland.
People in Scotland seem to have been encouraged by the applause for the Scots MEP in the Brussels parliament.
Who knows we may have a "reverse Greenland"
People in Scotland seem to have been encouraged by the applause for the Scots MEP in the Brussels parliament.
Who knows we may have a "reverse Greenland"
I for one wish to remain a citizen with free access to European Union and I would like to see Brussels help people in our position we exercised our rights whilst the union was securely in place some officials should start putting our minds at rest.
Jun 29th 2016, 11:01 am
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Re: UK votes to leave
Greenland negotiated a deal which has taken them out of the Eu but they still remain a part of Denmark. Presumably they still have Danish Passports . The "Reverse Greenland" would keep Scotland in the EU but at the same time remain in the UK. I don't people who live in Scotland would worry about the colour of their passport. Might be a tad awkward for people moving house north or south of the border.
Jun 29th 2016, 11:48 am
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Re: UK votes to leave
Greenland negotiated a deal which has taken them out of the Eu but they still remain a part of Denmark. Presumably they still have Danish Passports . The "Reverse Greenland" would keep Scotland in the EU but at the same time remain in the UK. I don't people who live in Scotland would worry about the colour of their passport. Might be a tad awkward for people moving house north or south of the border.
Migration is going to be the sticking point of this whole fiasco.
Jul 4th 2016, 6:07 pm
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Re: UK votes to leave
Well the madam up north may think the EU wants Scotland to stay inside the EU.
However, the UK being a net contributor of the EU budget (paying in more money than she receives from EU grants) even after the rebate. That why I think the EU did that deal with Cameron in February 2016 hoping that the UK will stay in the EU. If Scotland joins the EU on its own, will she become a net contributor to the EU budget? Even the madam up north wants Scotland to be a net contributor of the EU budget (I do not think this is likely), where is the money coming from? After all, oil is now below US$50 a barrel, not the US$100 a barrel level we saw a few years back.
However, the UK being a net contributor of the EU budget (paying in more money than she receives from EU grants) even after the rebate. That why I think the EU did that deal with Cameron in February 2016 hoping that the UK will stay in the EU. If Scotland joins the EU on its own, will she become a net contributor to the EU budget? Even the madam up north wants Scotland to be a net contributor of the EU budget (I do not think this is likely), where is the money coming from? After all, oil is now below US$50 a barrel, not the US$100 a barrel level we saw a few years back.
Jul 4th 2016, 8:25 pm
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Re: UK votes to leave
If Scotland were granted a reverse Greenland, there wouldn't need to be an Independence Referendum.
Apart from UKIP (which has One MEP and nothing else) none of the political parties in Scotland are against looking for ways to keep Scotland in the EU .
But then the Scottish Parliament is of a similar design to Brussels or Strasbourg.
Not for us the divisive rectangle of Westminster.
Apart from UKIP (which has One MEP and nothing else) none of the political parties in Scotland are against looking for ways to keep Scotland in the EU .
But then the Scottish Parliament is of a similar design to Brussels or Strasbourg.
Not for us the divisive rectangle of Westminster.