dmu

I don't think so, either, but pf suggested using the local village hall and I just wanted to point out everything involved....

petitefrancaise

hmmm. I knew of several dentists that set up associations to run their dental courses through. I have no idea what was involved or how they made money but you can bet they did indeed make money somewhere out of this. Maybe if you have another business, it is a way of writing off expenses that might take you out of convention collective for tax purposes for the other business. Don't know but it is done.

Chti Anglais

I have a friend who is a UK qualified primary school teacher. We've lost touch in the last 3 or 4 years but up until then she was hired part-time (15-20 hours per week from memory) as an English teacher in 3 or 4 primary schools in our region of Pas de Calais. Her UK teacher qualifications were directly transferable so that she was paid at teacher rate not assistant. Her French wasn't that good at the time, however the requirement was that she speak as little French as possible with the children in class time. Her French did improve markedly by contact with the other teachers which was a much appreciated (by her) by-product of the job.

Another friend's French wife, not qualified as a teacher but with excellent English was employed in her children's Catholic primary school to teach English but paid partly in kind (school fees reduction) and partly as an assistant.

These jobs are scarce I know but it's worth keeping your eyes and ears open and unless the rules have changed, your teaching qualifications may still be useful.

Good luck

morpeth

I have set up a business in France before, as other posts have indicated it is very expensive to do properly(legally) and very easy to run afoul of the rules. The Skype option isn't bad except it will take a lot of time finding clients and finding right methods to do so, One method is find an inexpensive teaching English as a second/foreign language. There are several companies who look for native speakers to teach English to Chinese students online. They don't pay much and hard to find a decent one, but that is one option.

petitefrancaise

It is easier to set up a small business now than it was 10 years ago when the auto-entrepreneur regime arrived. Now called micro-entreprise. Starting small with the most minimal commitment is the way to test the waters but people do manage to make a living in France running their own businesses.
Take a look at this https://www.facebook.com/cwonlinegeography/?fref=ts This is the PUBLIC business page (that was for the mods ) of a very good friend of mine who teaches GCSE and A level geography online to students all over the world. She's doing fine - living in the middle of nowhere (but it's beautiful!) but France has committed many resources to ensuring that rural communities get good internet connections. The nature of the business is that the parents have to commit to at least 1 year of teaching from my friend, she does hardly any advertising and gets pupils mostly word of mouth. I know she uses a specific teaching software which both teacher and student have on their computers, not skype. I could find out what it is if anyone is interested?

morpeth

By the way could you send me your friend's contact information ? I may have a need for such services for my daughter.

I haven't looked at France for a while from a business aspect, I will look that info up. The French system overall for establishing and running a business is complicated, slow, expensive and a minefield of unforeseen costs and complications, though probably not more than Italy or other Latin countries.

moonblues

Hi Sarah, my first time here, just stumbled upon your post and thought I'd give you some info.

I'm French and I teach English in France, before that, I taught French in the UK for 10 years. I know for a fact that you CAN teach English in a secondary school in France, state and private schools alike, without the teaching qualification. The big difference is that you do not have the same status.. you're not paid the same for instance...you would be a supply teacher......you will need some French whatever you decide to do...if you are interested and want to know more, let me know!


Vanessa

petitefrancaise

How?
I am sceptical at secondary level - College and Lycee.

moonblues

I replied yesterday with links to a useful website, but I still can't see my post.
No worries I'll just explain.

You can teach in France without teaching qualification at secondary level ( collège and lycée). However your status is not the same as a fully qualified teacher (who has a Masters : bac+ 5 and the competitive exam : capes / cafep... and therefore is called "titulaire").

If you are a supply teacher in a state school, you often start as a "vacataire" to then become a "contractuel" you require a minimum of bac +3 ( a degree level of education, usually held in the discipline you wish to teach, but it depends on needs , experience etc... )

If you are a supply teacher in a private school, you are called "suppléant".

to become a supply teacher, you must apply for it, the procedure is a bit different whether you want to work in a private or state school. Some academies are more "desperate" than others." You can try for both and see what comes first.


once you've applied ... you normally have an "interview" with the inspector in a state school or with school directors for private schools, at the end of these interviews, you do not have a job per se, but you become part of their list of "potential supply teachers" and they will contact you if they need you. It can be for a month, up to a year.

for more detailed infos in French though, you can google "devenir enseignant, contractuel ou vacataire." if you search the news in French on the subject, you'll find how easy it can be to become a supply teacher especially where they really are short on teachers.

hope that helps!

EDTIED TO ADD:

I forgot to mention you can also teach adults in "GRETA" these are adult training centres. In that case you are a "formateur" and here too you do not have to have the full qualifications. A lot of the English native speakers I know who are now fully qualified teachers in secondary schools, started there.

dmu

Interesting info, but not really applicable to the OP.
As I said earlier in the thread, a Professeur teaching any foreign language in Collège/Lycée must surely need a thorough knowledge of French in order to explain the foreign-language grammar in terms that the pupils understand (e.g. complément d'objet indirect, complément circonstanciel de lieu, to name but two qurky terms).
If the OP as a UK Primary teacher is qualified to be a vacataire or contractuelle and is accepted on the list of supply teachers, she risks being sent anywhere in the Académie at any time, which might not suit as she has a baby....
And welcome to the Forum to you, by the way!

EuroTrash

+1
Indeed, and thanks for sharing the info, that's interesting to know and I'm sure it will be useful to other lurkers on the forum even if not to the OP.

Novocastrian

@moonblue, another welcome from me.

The "missing post" is probably in the moderator queue. It's BE policy to put a hold on posts from very new members containing links.

It will emerge in the fullness of time.

dmu

You're a mine of information!!
The GRETA in our nearest town only does vocational training, but there must be English classes as I coached a girl once who was preparing for a professional Concours and had to get a decent mark in the English section of the exam.
Completely off-topic, but, in addition to Bac+5 and CAPES, what other qualificiations are needed to teach French in a UK school? (one of French OH's granddaughters would like to do this).

moonblues

thanks for the welcome.

Grammar is not taught anymore (or shouldn't) in such a straight forward manner in English classes today, and certainly not using over complicated terms. We let students observe language patterns more than anything. Teaching is Project / task based. Noone is going to check that the OP knows French Grammar (to become a supply teacher), that is not true. And even so, it's not that complicated to learn a few simple useful terms : adjectives, verbs, nouns. Learning never stops , that's the teacher talking

You do not have to accept a job, or a contract if it's too far away. You can also make use of a "creche" and children can start school as young as 2, 5 years old, mine did.

If you wish to stay in your "département", then you try for Private schools, it's much easier...

In any case, the OP will do what feels right, but I think i think it's important to know what's actually possible and to keep your options open, the point being you can teach in France without teaching qualifications.

moonblues

well I stopped by to give some info, so I'm glad you think it's useful

In the UK you require the PGCE (the equivalent of the CAPES) to teach, but if you already have the CAPES you're in luck, it's just down to paper work. A friend of mine just did it. You have to prove your qualifications with "properly translated" documents.... it takes a while to come though I've heard, but it's possible.