Annetje

Can't help but think Mr Kitkat is not for real ... I mean, been in France for 4 years and assuming he has been taxed the same over all these years ... He never ever asked anybody a question about this ? Again assuming he arrived in France straight from the UK, he must have realized that those amounts are enormous !!! Even me (coming from Belgium) would never have paid this without asking around !!!
Are you for real Kitkat ???

Annetje

Tax D'habitation also depends on income ... No income, no tax ! (been there, done that).

dmu

Hi, slight correction - being liable to pay the Taxe d'Habitation depends on whether your income is "imposable" or not. Strictly speaking, income below a certain threshold = no tax.
As mentioned above, the Taxe d'H is based on the virtual rental value if you are the owner, and the more bathrooms you declare for example, the more Taxe d'H you pay.
If this is the first time they've received both Taxes, maybe Kitkat's sums correspond to the back payment (and fines) for their three-four years of residence? Or maybe the computer made a mistake? In either case a trip to their local Centre des Impôts is necessary, the owner(s) armed with the Acte de Propriété of the property and as many UK Pension documents as possible.

EuroTrash

+1


I suspect that since he is asking the question now, his payment deadline is 15 Dec which suggests he is classed as a non-resident holiday home owner (because for most residents, the deadline is 15 November) - which would be logical if he's never declared himself to the impots as resident. That being the case, reductions/exemptions don't apply to non-residents so I doubt that showing them his UK pension slips will help much.

dmu

Kit kat said "we live in", which to me means they are residents, and asked how to go about getting a Tax Return form, which means that none of them have been declaring their UK Pensions since they've been here. Hence my suggestion that they all go along to the Centre des Impôts with their documents to sort all three types of taxes out and get themselves "regularized" (well before 15th December, otherwise they'll have a late-payment fine of 10% of the total)

Jon-Bxl

Hi Annetje

This is interesting, I've been told by the tax office that taxe d'habitation is still payable - even though it is a second home and one earns no income in France....

I think I have misunderstood something about this and the 'imposable' point.

Thanks

Jon

bigglesworth

Point(s) of information please.
We have just received out taxe d'habitation, which is due by the 17th (not 15th). We paid our taxe fonciere some months ago.

But we also did fill in French tax returns, and have paid our income tax.

Do we need to do something extra to register as fiscally resident? We bought the house about February last year, and the previous owner paid the taxe d'habitation.

Is there somewhere on the tax demand form that tells me whether it is classed as a holiday home? I could read it all through, but there is an awful lot of legelase there, although I do speak fairly decent French.

(I would prefer to sort all this out before I go down and apply to put in a swimming pool).

cyrian

We had to fill in a registration form for tax fonciere & habitation and that included a question whether it was a main residence or secondaire.
I don't know that it makes any difference to the tax due but certainly does for Capital Gains Tax.
We also pay by direct debit each month which means we dont miss any payment deadlines.

EuroTrash

Any reductions are for your principal residence only, and are based on your 'revenu fiscale de reference', which is a figure that is arrived at once the tax office has assessed your tax return and is stated on your avis d'imposition.

There are no reductions in taxes on second homes, either for French taxpayers or for non-residents.

EuroTrash

I'm sure that if you've paid tax, they know you're fiscally resident.

If you look at the back of your avis d'impot for the taxe d'habitation, does it have your RFR (revenu fiscale de reference) stated on it, in the box at the top, to the right of your name? If so, you have been assessed as resident. If that box is blank, go in and ask. But I know there are certain exceptions to the Nov/Dec deadlines though I don't know what they are. (Normally it's always 15th but I see 15 Dec was a Saturday this year!)

grannybunz

Both tax fonciere and d'habitation are payable on any home - be it secondary or main - we paid it when it was a holiday home and daughter and son-in-law who bought the house next door also pay it (they are non-resident). Because the ground area of their house is bigger than ours they pay more - but not a vast amount. The cost of the television licence is included by the way.

You simply must register as resident - otherwise all sorts of problems will eventually arise. You can get the forms you need online or go to the tax office, but if you neither speak or write french well you might find it worth your while to seek advice from a qualified financial advisor. There are several English speaking or indeed English companies who can help - google!! If they are anything like ours the initial consultation will be free. He has been a huge help and over the years has saved us a lot of money - even though my husband is virtually bi-lingual understanding financial matters in any language is not easy and in French it is a nightmare.

cyrian

You have a few days grace if you pay online before you get the 10% late payment penalty.

EuroTrash

The tax calendar with all the deadlines is here, quite useful

http://www.impots.gouv.fr/portal/dgi...entDate=201212

Jon-Bxl

By going on-line with your reference numbers you can set up monthly payments or annual payments by direct debit, so you'll never be late. I do mine annually.... just make sure there's enough money in the account as its around Xmas time! I have an annual reminder on my phone. They'll take it on 27/12/12 this time

Jon

kit kat

Thanks,
I would like to thank everybody that has answered my questions on the taxes,they have been very helpful,and I am now on my way to sort this horrid mess out at the tax office .Thanks again
"Vive la revolution"
Will give you an update as to how I get on at a later date Kit Kat