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Re: French values
Worth bearing in mind that the Charlie Hebdo trials are ongoing, so it's not as if the teacher introduced this subject matter gratuitously.
I wasn't there either but my best guess would be that the thrust of the lesson was something like, Which of these cartoons do you find acceptable and which do you not find acceptable? In the big bad world these kids are going to be exposed to everything that's out there. I absolutely do feel that "controlled exposure" to this kind of material in the classroom, for instance a class discussion on how to react to something you find unacceptable, is good preparation. Tweedie,you are correct, I would have absolutely no use fir a wife. Although saying that... xomeone to cook and clean for me would be nice :sneaky: . |
Re: French values
Originally Posted by Helen1964
(Post 12923467)
"The showing of a caricature of a religious leader in the nude was bound to receive a strong reaction."
Only because the people the teacher was showing it to seem to think they're entitled to repond with physical violence. I was brought up as a staunch Northern Irish Protestant in a school run by Methodists. You could have shown my class a caricature of Ian Paisley or Jesus in the altogether and we probably would have had a good chortle. There would have been a few angry letters from parents. End of story. I guess my problem with your attitude is that it requires us to apply double standards. Going so far with one group, while treating another with kid gloves. I know we all do this on a personal level, every day in our interaction with each other. I'll take liberties with one friend that I wouldn't with another. When the media and the Establishment starting doing it and it becomes a widely accepted practice, though, that's a different matter. I see Spitting Image is back. Not sure how easy it will be to view it from France but I for one will be hoping they have the b*lls not to reserve their savage satire for Christians and the pale-skinned and that ethnic minorities are as well represented among the butts of their humour as they - quite rightly - want to be in other areas of TV. |
Re: French values
This thread seems to be more appropriate to TIO than the French forum.
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Re: French values
Originally Posted by EuroTrash
(Post 12923470)
Worth bearing in mind that the Charlie Hebdo trials are ongoing, so it's not as if the teacher introduced this subject matter gratuitously.
I wasn't there either but my best guess would be that the thrust of the lesson was something like, Which of these cartoons do you find acceptable and which do you not find acceptable? In the big bad world these kids are going to be exposed to everything that's out there. I absolutely do feel that "controlled exposure" to this kind of material in the classroom, for instance a class discussion on how to react to something you find unacceptable, is good preparation. Tweedie,you are correct, I would have absolutely no use fir a wife. Although saying that... xomeone to cook and clean for me would be nice :sneaky: . |
Re: French values
Originally Posted by cyrian
(Post 12923472)
This thread seems to be more appropriate to TIO than the French forum.
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Re: French values
Originally Posted by Helen1964
(Post 12923453)
Incidentally, I seem to remember Charlie Hebdo laying into the Catholic Church on more than one occasion. But I don’t recall any beheadings. Or even non-Catholics expressing sympathy for the targets of the cartoons and worrying them feeling “quite insultedâ€.
IMO all the caricatures are pictorially hideous, whoever were depicted, and the contexts often outrageous and borderline, but it's over-the-top to take revenge in such a fashion. P.S. Politicians weren't spared - a quick search showed a particularly awful one of Sarkozy. On the other hand, I couldn't find the caricature of Mohamet in the nude which was the cause of the tragedy.... |
Re: French values
Originally Posted by KJMW
(Post 12923473)
If the thrust of the lesson were along those lines then I can see the basis of a discussion about free speech and expression. Neither of us know if that is the case. Maybe we will find out one day.
I was assuming that was the lesson because I know the curriculum definitely does includes learning about free expression. I'm not aware that the curriculum includes learning about Muslim culture although I suppose it might come into it, in some form or another.. |
Re: French values
Originally Posted by EuroTrash
(Post 12923530)
Maybe we will..
I was assuming that was the lesson because I know the curriculum definitely does includes learning about free expression. I'm not aware that the curriculum includes learning about Muslim culture although I suppose it might come into it, in some form or another.. |
Re: French values
Originally Posted by Tweedpipe
(Post 12923463)
.... somehow I doubt very much that ETrash has a 'wife'....
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Re: French values
However, Christians have a history of persecuting Jews. I guess the Muslims are just catching up.
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Re: French values
Originally Posted by malcom1970
(Post 12924226)
However, Christians have a history of persecuting Jews. I guess the Muslims are just catching up.
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Re: French values
Originally Posted by malcom1970
(Post 12924226)
However, Christians have a history of persecuting Jews. I guess the Muslims are just catching up.
At first sight the relevance to the discussion here isn't too obvious, and it could be mistaken for a gratuitously inflammatory comment, which would not be in the spirit of the forum. |
Re: French values
Originally Posted by KJMW
(Post 12923473)
If the thrust of the lesson were along those lines then I can see the basis of a discussion about free speech and expression. Neither of us know if that is the case. Maybe we will find out one day.
"Mr Paty was subject to an online hate campaign after he showed the cartoons in two lessons about free speech earlier this month." "The history and geography teacher advised Muslim students to leave the room if they thought they might be offended." |
Re: French values
Originally Posted by EuroTrash
(Post 12924259)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54625270
"Mr Paty was subject to an online hate campaign after he showed the cartoons in two lessons about free speech earlier this month." "The history and geography teacher advised Muslim students to leave the room if they thought they might be offended." |
Re: French values
Originally Posted by malcom1970
(Post 12924226)
However, Christians have a history of persecuting Jews. I guess the Muslims are just catching up.
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