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Helen1964 Apr 24th 2023 1:41 am

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Look away, Tim:
5 reasons why it’s so hard to pass your driving theory test in France – BEST FRANCE FOREVER

Bomber Harris Apr 24th 2023 6:35 am

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Originally Posted by baroudeur (Post 13188499)
AFAIK the DVLA only requires an address at which the holder can be contacted. If you know someone who can be trusted to forward mail to you their address should be satisfactory. After all, there are many UK licence holders living in France who do not have a permanent UK address.

Whilst the D1 (DL application form) section for address is titled 'Current Address' the inf1d (instructions for completing a D1) specifies that the applicant must be normally resident in the UK and clarifies that a person is considered normally resident in the UK if they usually live there for more than 185 days each calendar year. The reason why is that Section 97A of the Road Traffic Act stipulates that UK DL's can only be issued to those who are lawfully resident in the UK.
Using another person's address in the UK to facilitate the issue (including renewal) of a UK DL when you live in France (or anywhere else) is an offence under Section 174 of the RTA (making a false statement to obtain a DL) which carries a maximum penalty of £2500 and revocation of the DL which was obtained by making the false statement.
I won't elaborate on the applicant in France and the "trusted person" in the UK forwarding said DL would also place themselves at risk of being charged with criminal conspiracy, which can result in jail time.

Listen Very Carefully Apr 24th 2023 8:54 pm

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Plus of course the DVLA do cross checks with other government departments so it is now easier than ever to find out if someone is gaming the system.I live in France and have a UK driving licence as does my wife as the Anglo/French agreement on DLs which replaced EU arrangements means that I cannot swap my DL for a french one till it expires or it is lost stolen/you get points in France

Helen1964 Apr 25th 2023 1:56 am

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There's something in the latest edition of Connexion magazine about no longer having to swap your licence for a French one if you incur points. I just saw the headline - not the article itself - so I don't know the details yet.





baroudeur Apr 25th 2023 4:53 am

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Originally Posted by Listen Very Carefully (Post 13188714)
Plus of course the DVLA do cross checks with other government departments so it is now easier than ever to find out if someone is gaming the system.I live in France and have a UK driving licence as does my wife as the Anglo/French agreement on DLs which replaced EU arrangements means that I cannot swap my DL for a french one till it expires or it is lost stolen/you get points in France

When the licence expires or the photo expires or does either require a swap to a French licence? Technically, the licence doesn't expire when the photo requires renewal but as a French resident can you renew the photo?

Helen1964 Apr 25th 2023 6:55 am

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Originally Posted by baroudeur (Post 13188801)
When the licence expires or the photo expires or does either require a swap to a French licence? Technically, the licence doesn't expire when the photo requires renewal but as a French resident can you renew the photo?

No, you can’t (legally) renew if you’re not resident in the UK. Within 6 months prior to the photocard expiring you’re supposed to submit it to the French authorities who will then swap it for a French licence.

TimFountain Apr 26th 2023 5:17 am

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Dang, what a mess!

NataHH Apr 28th 2023 2:39 am

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Do you have the opportunity to exchange a US driving licence? If you can it might be easier to sit a test in the US than France unless your French is got enough to sit the theory test.

Pulaski Apr 28th 2023 3:14 am

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Originally Posted by NataHH (Post 13189463)
Do you have the opportunity to exchange a US driving licence? If you can it might be easier to sit a test in the US than France unless your French is got enough to sit the theory test.

Tim already has a US license. I understand that only a few US states issue licenses that France is willing to exchange, and apparently TimFountain doesn't hold an exchangeable license.

I found this online, but I can't vouch for it's accuracy:

The following US states have a driver's license reciprocity with France: Delaware, Maryland, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, South Carolina, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Colorado, Florida and Connecticut.
And none of those states are close to where Tim Fountain lives in Oregon, so while he could probably finegle swapping an Oregon license for a US license swappable for a French license more easily than he could obtain a reissued British license, it would still require a stopover of several weeks to obtain a verifiable address (probably needs things like a bank statement, utility bills, etc.) and obtain a license using that address.

Red Eric Apr 28th 2023 7:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 13189474)
...I understand that only a few US states issue licenses that France is willing to exchange...

Given that it requires reciprocal agreements, maybe it's the other way round re willingness :unsure:

Pulaski Apr 29th 2023 1:52 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 13189600)
Given that it requires reciprocal agreements, maybe it's the other way round re willingness. ...

Agreed, it is reciprocal, but TimFountain doesn't want to exchange a French licence for a US state license, so isn't really relevant to the discussion.


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