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Old Jan 25th 2016, 5:14 pm
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Do plumbers and heating specialists need to be registered with just a siren number or is there and equivalent "Corgi" approved website to check these enterprises online are approved to install chaudieres? Most plumbers etc in France don't have their own website so not sure how I can check the approval of a company. We are waiting for some devis for a new boiler. I presume as well that if they have a siren number I will get the credit d'impot on my devis or is it not that straight forward?
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Old Jan 25th 2016, 5:36 pm
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If somebody is properly registered as a plumber or heating engineer, you should be able to assume that they're properly qualified because their qualifications should have been checked when they registered. It's not like the UK where anybody can register for anything whether they're qualified or not ;-)
However, what you do need to check is that they are registered as a plumber. The fact that they have a siren number proves they are registered as something, but it doesn't in itself prove what; they might be registered as a general handyman. Also check that they have insurance - if insurance is obligatory for their trade (which it would be for someone installing a boiler) they are obliged to put the details of their insurance company on their devis.
Not sure what the latest criteria are for crédit impôt on boilers, it changes year by year, but it's 100 per cent sure that you won't get anything if you use somebody that doesn't have a siren number.
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Old Jan 25th 2016, 6:02 pm
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The credit impot is 30% I believe. We have got devis for windows and boilers so far this year and this seems to be the current rate. Ok thanks for the reply. I have never noticed the insurers on any devis but like you say should be made available.
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The credit impot is 30% I believe. We have got devis for windows and boilers so far this year and this seems to be the current rate. Ok thanks for the reply. I have never noticed the insurers on any devis but like you say should be made available.
The thing is, nobody actually knows for sure yet what rate you'll get on the jobs you're getting quotes for now, because for work you have done in 2016, you get the credit against your 2016 income when you submit your tax form in May 2017. So the credit won't be at the current rate, it will be at whatever rate is in force in at the time - which, unless the government has made a long term commitment to keep the rate the same for a specified period, won't be decided until 2017.

Putting insurers' details on devis and factures has been a legal obligation since 1st Jan 2015. Artisans really should be doing it by now. If they don't I would be a bit careful. You might be surprised how many people routinely offer to do things they're not registered or insured to do, and perhaps especially in expat areas where they think they will get away with it because their customers won't know any better.
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No you're right, the 30 per cent has been extended for another year.

Économie d'énergie : quels équipements donnent droit à crédit d'impôt ? | Le portail des ministères économiques et financiers

Note that "Depuis le 1er janvier 2015, les professionnels réalisant les travaux doivent être "Reconnus Garant de l'Environnement" (RGE)" so a siren number isn't sufficient, they also need to be RGE approved. Though there shouldn't be any confusion because all installers are well aware of this requirement.
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Old Jan 25th 2016, 11:56 pm
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I am just wondering how many people have devis with the artisans insurers on? Yes they have Sirens, APE and NAFs but although there is small print there doesn't appear to be anything mentioning assurers. In fact all the devis we have had for highly recommended artisans don't as far as I can see. These recommendations come from the Mayors as well as their websites at local towns and villages etc and not from regular search engines.
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Originally Posted by bobbi2
I am just wondering how many people have devis with the artisans insurers on?
Let's do a survey peeps ! everybody look at the devis they've had in the last 12 months and report back !

It only applies where insurance is a legal obligation obviously, which isn't always the case but surely it is for installing heating ?
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[QUOTE=bobbi2;11847802]Do plumbers and heating specialists need to be registered with just a siren number or is there and equivalent "Corgi" approved website to check these enterprises online are approved to install chaudieres? /QUOTE]

If a plumber installs a a chaudiere the work needs to be 'signed off' by someone qualified to do so who will then provide a certificate that says it has been installed correctly.

Some plumbers are qualified to sign off their own work because they qualified to do so. Others are not so they need to have their work signed off by a third party.

That certificate is very important.
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Old Jan 26th 2016, 8:46 am
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Touraine- so is this a certificate we should ask if they can provide at the time of receiving the devis? We have a heating contract and a devis from them but know they will probably overcharge and have a habit of changing a RDv at the last minute, so have got more devis. He is our usual plumber but because this is a boiler i am a little more cautious as the heating company service the boiler, not the plumber.
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Whoever installs the the boiler, ask them who will provide the certificat de conformité. Them or a third party.

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If your plumber can install a boiler he should be able to service it every year. When asking for a devis, tell them that you would like them to service it every year. That will make them more interested in the quotation.

I would terminate your heating contract once you install your new boiler. I am assuming it is with one of those large companies. Complete waste of money. Just get the plumber to do it.
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Old Jan 26th 2016, 9:32 am
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The only problem with him servicing it is he not available 24/7. Certainly atm the boiler works OK but have needed a 24hr service 3 times now. The previous owner had it and we decided to carry it on. He (the local plumber) doesn't work weekends and whilst he is very reliable he may not be available to such short notice and heating during the winter is something we cannot do without in the Alps, even with a fire! As much a pain as the contract is we know that they will be here within a couple of hours 24/7 which is a great comfort. They just seem to be a problem when it comes to coming out and servicing the boiler. This was the second year on the trot they cancelled an hour before as they had a rush on breakdowns. This year though we took no cr@p and said we had taken the day off work. Then they arrived within the hour! Hopefully wit a new boiler we can rest easy a little, although there is not a major panic to get is replaced until the Spring.When the new boiler is installed we will review the contract then but my only concern is finding a plumber at short notice. After all, these things always happen outside working hours!
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A brand new 'dietrich' well installed/maintained boiler will not break down.
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Originally Posted by Touraine
A brand new 'dietrich' well installed/maintained boiler will not break down.
Until the first time it stops working....
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Originally Posted by Touraine
A brand new 'dietrich' well installed/maintained boiler will not break down.
Nothing is infallible these days!
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What's the position regarding VAT ?
Has the scheme for having a rate at about 5% for registered tradesmen (working on properties older than 2 years) still operating. I know the EU were not happy about it.
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