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To misquote Shakespeare, The deal is neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. As I said, it'll be interesting to watch post Brexit UK develop.
That's pretty much how I felt after the referendum, I was surprised, but interested to see where it would lead. I hoped the negotiations would be constructive and slick and friendly and that within a year or so we'd have a clearer picture of what lay ahead. I was disappointed then, so I'm hoping things go better now.

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Please remember that the referendum was 'advisory' and the government of the day could have ignored it. The main reason we had a referendum was because the Tories were frightened of UKIP eating away at their voting power. There was tremendous amount of money spent by the leave campaign, much of it illegally. Had it not been an advisory vote it is almost cerain that it would have been deemd null and void due to irregularities, iperhaps on both sides. The upshot is that we have a deal which leaves the UK in a much worse position over trade etc than it would have been. Food prices in the UK will increase, there is little doubt about that as much of our food is grown in the EU, people wanting to visit the EU will have more red tape, and for a lot of people owning holiday homes will become more difficult. People renting their places out MIGHT find they have new hurdles to jump. visitors to the EU and to the UK from the EU will lose the fast track lines to get through customs. We will not really see the problems with the deal for several months, but the fact that the UK has had to build huge lorry parks near ferry ports to deal with the delays should tell us that the government expect problems, and as yet they do not have the staff to deal with them. I feel that in 6 months time we will see the real effects of Brexit, and I, for one, as a UK resident am very concerned.

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I was wondering how long it would take for the war to be mentioned .......perhaps we can go more up to date and include 1966
AS for freedom in the uk it was is guaranteed by the ECHR and other european courts such as the ECJ and of course by the domestic courts . Considering that the UK is going to have to follow European laws standards and product regulations can someone actually explain what freedom we will have on 1Jan that we did not have on 31 Dec?

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By all means I would welcome and quite pleased at a sensible and logical prediction of how Brexit will play out as a positive.

The Global Health Insurance Card is a good example, if it provides more benefits, and is of long duration and not just a transitory thing, that certainly is a positive- but the devil is in the details, hopefully we will understand more in the coming days or weeks.

If there is a prediction based on sound reasoning how trade agreements, and with whom, show probability of being a net benefit compared to the clear additional burdens placed on Uk trade with the EU I certainly would be interested to hear about.

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The short term difficulties are to be expected. and UK bureaucrats not that much better than EU ones. It is the longer term effects that may prove more insidious as European competitors slowly chip away at markets of British exporters. or if over time British food prices rise steadily. .

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You really shouldn't misquote Shakespeare!!! I too hope that things will be good; for Britain.

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Yes the vote was advisory but that doesn't invalidate the result. Tour assertion that the Tories were frightened of UKIP is your opinion, not fact. In total your augment is , at best, speculation based on a biased opinion not fact. Yes we will see what transpires but I won't offer a view into the future, I'm not that stupid!

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Absolutely no predictions, not from me anyway! None of us know but we do hope that it will be a good future, don't we?

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What does this mean - 'total independence of action'?

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Not difficult: It means do what the British Government decides to do.

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Complete nonsense. The BS that's driven the whole debacle. The other 27 members seem to manage.

I will unsubscribe from this and similar threads. The damage is done and it's pointless to try to counter decades of rw press brainwashing.

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While I always have hope, I don't run my personal affairs or business on wishful thinking- nor do I have much confidence in London politicians and bureaucrats of whatever stripe being necessarily more competent that EU bureaucrats. All of them seem woefully out of touch with those wo are less fortunate, and of bold new policies to deal with the challenges of the new century.

I though the thread was about Brexit changes- wouldn't discussion of possible, probable and actual changes fall under the topic of this thread ?

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I would agree that running your affairs on wishful thinking is dangerous. With regard any changes by politicians of whatever colour in the future you and I have to go with them, that's the reality. These people are voted in to do a job and they can't please everyone. My overriding concern though is that people condemn politicians simply because they are not the party they voted for or they don't like a particular personality. Objectivity is simply a word to many people. If a politician is of the wrong hue or personality not liked they could walk on water but still be condemned.

With Brexit of course things had to change and as far as I'm concerned the changes are acceptable. There will be things we have to do in the future that we have done in the past and I don't see that as any great inconvenience. As for bold new policies! Do you have any in mind?

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I quite agree with you about excessive partisanship clouding objectivity. As far as politicians in general our current lot seem quite unable to deal with the new century.

There is a long list of negative changes that will ,or probably will, inconvenience many-some more than others plus the supposed offset from sheer wishful thinking or fantasy justifications. Perhaps the most profound is that for the young of Britain now and in the future they will have less opportunities in life, as for pensioners, business and so on. I had many options and opportunities when I was young- I didn't necessarily take advantage of all but they were there. As a parent reducing opportunities for my children and their children hardly is an appealing prospect.

As far as new domestic policies one could suggest that would be off topic to a Brexit changes thread. Some relate to it- blaming things on the EU when the root problem is our own domestic policies.

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I agree about the fantasy justifications for objecting to Brexit. It hasn't been passed yet by either parliament and the negative thinkers are in full flow. I also agree, with some exceptions, the current crop of politicians are terrible. Fortunately, and in my view, despite his apparent clowning ,Boris Johnson is an exceptional politician. There have been many who have underestimated him. I can't agree that the youth are disadvantaged at all and think that any changes, Erasmus is one, won't affect them. I can't help but feel the young of today do , in fact, have greater advantages than in my youth. I have two children and four grandchildren by the way!