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Re: Brexit changes
Originally Posted by KJMW
(Post 12950643)
Rather strange that your 'opinion' is very much in the minority of thinking. Johnson is the best P.M. we have had since Thatcher.
Originally Posted by KJMW
(Post 12950828)
My point is that people don't give an opinion they state things as facts and then excuse it by saying it's an opinion!. Calling people names isn't an informed opinion!
Originally Posted by KJMW
(Post 12950831)
Perhaps I should have put in a way so that is more easily understood. In my opinion he is the best P.M since Thatcher.
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Re: Brexit changes
Originally Posted by KJMW
(Post 12950840)
You are right she doesn't need you. I feel sure she will speak for herself. You can, of course, think what you will regarding the present government. The fact is Boris was elected to remove us from the E.C. He has done that very well. People are drawn to others who share the same view. Natural I suppose but misleading because that is all they hear, or read. I'm afraid impressions are not reality.
As far as Johnson's legacy too early to tell. We do know he supports and has achieved reducing opportunities for British citizens, imposing more costs and bureaucracy in trading with our largest trading in particular, and absurd immigration policies- against claims apparently based on wishful thinking and no rational support that trade deals will be a significant net benefit to the UK, and that more control by UK bureaucrats will necessarily result in a better situation than being in the EU. Only after a while will we know the result of these claims. |
Re: Brexit changes
Can I just remind people that it was Margaret Thatcher who was the prime mover of the idea of the Single Market in Europe because she realised that Britain being a trading nation had to expand their markets and having a whole continent to trade with openly and freely would increase Britains wealth and influence
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/margaret-thatc...n-integration/ |
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Speed the day when Scotland is out of this corrupt Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And when our cousins in N. Ireland throw in their lot with our other cousins in The Republic.
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Re: Brexit changes
Even Wales is seeing the highest support for independence ever. Plaid Cymru has pledged to call a referendum if they get a majority in next year's Senedd elections - which they likely will.
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Re: Brexit changes
Originally Posted by scot47
(Post 12950982)
Speed the day when Scotland is out of this corrupt Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And when our cousins in N. Ireland throw in their lot with our other cousins in The Republic.
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Re: Brexit changes
Originally Posted by scot47
(Post 12950982)
Speed the day when Scotland is out of this corrupt Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And when our cousins in N. Ireland throw in their lot with our other cousins in The Republic.
Originally Posted by Expatrick
(Post 12951015)
I'll drink to that (on your behalf, of course).
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Re: Brexit changes
I'm sure regulars here recall the non-scrappy, extremely pleasant exchanges we had on this French forum up until around Nov 2019, after which time some posts gradually started to become contentious and combative, with opinionated replies and controversial, shaky 'factual' statements.
As for Johnson having done "very well" to remove us from the E.C, that comment warrants being in the bad jokes section. It must go down as a classic retropedalage by a master of that art, methinks painstakingly timed politically at the eleventh hour as a partial, face-saving move to counter much of the flack of his poor handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Googling 'Mensonges Boris Johnson' and similar in other languages, gives some interesting comments of him in general from the world media. For the skeptics, one eye-opening review is, 'A brief staggering history of Boris Johnson lies', and again in a French publication, 'Un rapport révèle les mensonges de Boris Johnson'. Bojo fans will counter these reviews, and say that even him boasting about hand-shaking, unmasked in hospitals during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic made sense. For those with short memories, after that he fell seriously ill. Classic, dangerous clowning indeed. Even during a French tv interview he still joked about his comment, he'd “rather be dead in a ditch†than ask the EU to further delay Brexit beyond October 31, which brought about the UK becoming a laughing stock in France and elsewhere on the continent. And that is embarrassingly still very much the case. However, I'd love for my thoughts for the future to be proved wrong, and to believe that he really can bring about a change in Britains wealth and influence. Only time will tell. |
Re: Brexit changes
Originally Posted by Tweedpipe
(Post 12951027)
I'm sure regulars here recall the non-scrappy, extremely pleasant exchanges we had on this French forum up until around Nov 2019, after which time some posts gradually started to become contentious and combative, with opinionated replies and controversial, shaky 'factual' statements.
As for Johnson having done "very well" to remove us from the E.C, that comment warrants being in the bad jokes section. It must go down as a classic retropedalage by a master of that art, methinks painstakingly timed politically at the eleventh hour as a partial, face-saving move to counter much of the flack of his poor handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Googling 'Mensonges Boris Johnson' and similar in other languages, gives some interesting comments of him in general from the world media. For the skeptics, one eye-opening review is, 'A brief staggering history of Boris Johnson lies', and again in a French publication, 'Un rapport révèle les mensonges de Boris Johnson'. I know I'm guilty too, it's hard not to rise to the bait sometimes. Must try harder. This has been my go-to forum to share a problem and have a bit of banter for getting on for a decade, I don't want to turn it sour now by falling out with members. Re world media, I saw this article today https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...brexit-6873020 and to be honest I wasn't attracted to read the original article, I may be doing it an injustice but from what was said it sounded like it might be big on opinions and short on reasoned discussion. But regardless of the quality of the writing it's always sad to see the UK being exposed like this in other countries' press. It's a kind of straw in the wind, and you don't want the wind to be blowing in that direction.
Originally Posted by Tweedpipe
(Post 12951027)
However, I'd love for my thoughts for the future to be proved wrong, and to believe that he really can bring about a change in Britains wealth and influence. Only time will tell.
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Re: Brexit changes
Originally Posted by Tweedpipe
(Post 12951027)
I'm sure regulars here recall the non-scrappy, extremely pleasant exchanges we had on this French forum up until around Nov 2019, after which time some posts gradually started to become contentious and combative, with opinionated replies and controversial, shaky 'factual' statements.
As for Johnson having done "very well" to remove us from the E.C, that comment warrants being in the bad jokes section. It must go down as a classic retropedalage by a master of that art, methinks painstakingly timed politically at the eleventh hour as a partial, face-saving move to counter much of the flack of his poor handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Googling 'Mensonges Boris Johnson' and similar in other languages, gives some interesting comments of him in general from the world media. For the skeptics, one eye-opening review is, 'A brief staggering history of Boris Johnson lies', and again in a French publication, 'Un rapport révèle les mensonges de Boris Johnson'. Bojo fans will counter these reviews, and say that even him boasting about hand-shaking, unmasked in hospitals during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic made sense. For those with short memories, after that he fell seriously ill. Classic, dangerous clowning indeed. Even during a French tv interview he still joked about his comment, he'd “rather be dead in a ditch†than ask the EU to further delay Brexit beyond October 31, which brought about the UK becoming a laughing stock in France and elsewhere on the continent. And that is embarrassingly still very much the case. However, I'd love for my thoughts for the future to be proved wrong, and to believe that he really can bring about a change in Britains wealth and influence. Only time will tell.
Originally Posted by EuroTrash
(Post 12951037)
Yes indeed Tweedie.
I know I'm guilty too, it's hard not to rise to the bait sometimes. Must try harder. This has been my go-to forum to share a problem and have a bit of banter for getting on for a decade, I don't want to turn it sour now by falling out with members. Re world media, I saw this article today https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...brexit-6873020 and to be honest I wasn't attracted to read the original article, I may be doing it an injustice but from what was said it sounded like it might be big on opinions and short on reasoned discussion. But regardless of the quality of the writing it's always sad to see the UK being exposed like this in other countries' press. It's a kind of straw in the wind, and you don't want the wind to be blowing in that direction. Oh I'm sure he can bring about a change in Britain's wealth. He's made a start on that already - more people in debt, in poverty, homeless, relying on foodbanks, and more millions into his cronies' pockets. And probably he can change Britain's global influence too. But not perhaps in the direction you may have hoped. I'm an interloper here; despite having shopped in France for almost 30 years I've never lived there. Unless multiple weeks camping and skiing count. :p I like the France forum. I like France. I like most French people. Three of my best friends are French. Another one is Finnish, but she lives in Haute Savoie, so that counts. As to this matter, Spoiler:
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Re: Brexit changes
As this thread has gone off at a tangent the OP has requested that it is closed.
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