World cities

Old May 18th 2002, 12:21 am
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Polar
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On Fri, 17 May 2002 21:47:28 GMT, Harvey V
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    >I espied that on 17 May 2002, mpprh <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Hi
    >>
    >> I've been following the various threads entitles something like "Should I go
    >> to X ?...
    >>
    >> It seems to me there are cities, and there are "world cities".
    >>
    >> From my experience, world cities are -
    >>
    >> San Francisco Sydney London Berlin Seoul Tokyo Cairo Paris Rome Rio
    >>
    >> In order of number of letters !
    >>
    >> Of course this is subjective,
    >>
    >> Any comments ?
    >>
    >> Peter
    >>
    >
    >
    >Hmmmm.......I can't imagine that any list of world cities can possibly exclude
    >New York.
    >
    >My list -- which is unabashedly western-centric; is the view of an town
    >planner/urban designer; isn't meant to be comprehensive; and doesn't account for
    >some overlap begween groups -- would be divided into a greater number of categories.
    >
    >
    >Group 1A -- world cities due to age, culture, size and economics
    >
    > London, Paris, New York, Moscow, Tokyo, Rome
    >
    >
    >Group 1B -- world cities due purely to size and economic importanace
    >
    > Mexico City, Seoul, Rio, Sydney, Hong Kong
    >
    >
    >Group 2 -- regional cities, but important in more than just their own region
    >
    > Chicago, San Francisco, Amsterdam, Berlin, Stockholm
    >
    >
    >Group 3 -- nice places, but of true economic importance only in their own region
    >
    > Toronto, Frankfurt, Auckland, Munich, Milan, Edinburgh
    >
    >
    >It's possible to continue with more groups, but I'll resist the temptation......

SFX: Muffled sobs

I suppose Los Angeles is just...out there somewhere...

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Old May 18th 2002, 12:21 am
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In article <[email protected]>, Polar
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > >My list -- which is unabashedly western-centric; is the view of an town
    > >planner/urban designer; isn't meant to be comprehensive; and doesn't account for
    > >some overlap begween groups -- would be divided into a greater number of
    > >categories.
    > >
    > >
    > >Group 1A -- world cities due to age, culture, size and economics
    > >
    > > London, Paris, New York, Moscow, Tokyo, Rome
    > >
    > >
    > >Group 1B -- world cities due purely to size and economic importanace
    > >
    > > Mexico City, Seoul, Rio, Sydney, Hong Kong
    > >
    > >
    > >Group 2 -- regional cities, but important in more than just their own region
    > >
    > > Chicago, San Francisco, Amsterdam, Berlin, Stockholm
    > >
    > >
    > >Group 3 -- nice places, but of true economic importance only in their own region
    > >
    > > Toronto, Frankfurt, Auckland, Munich, Milan, Edinburgh
    > >
    > >
    > >It's possible to continue with more groups, but I'll resist the temptation......
    >
    >
    > SFX: Muffled sobs
    >
    > I suppose Los Angeles is just...out there somewhere...
    >

Los Angeles has the largest air cargo airport in the world and its passenger airport
is 3rd in the world. Its port is the top 2 or 3 in the world.

What about Shanghai ?

jay Fri, May 17, 2002 mailto:[email protected]

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Old May 18th 2002, 12:21 am
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Harvey V <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Where should one place Istanbul?

On the Bosporus.

PB
 
Old May 18th 2002, 12:21 am
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Emil Jelstrup <[email protected]> wrote:
    > No, Moscow should *definitely* still be in group 1A.
    >
    > It's the biggest city in Europe (9-15 million inhabitans), capital of a former
    > superpower (which still is the biggest and one of the most important countries in
    > the world), economic centre of the whole CIS, and still a very important cultural
    > and historic city.

Mexico City is the biggest city in North America but being realistic, its global
signficance is trivial compared to even such second-rate towns as Washington DC, let
alone New York. Size alone doesn't mean much.

Is Russia one of the most important countries in the world? That's a big question!

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Old May 18th 2002, 12:21 am
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On Fri, 17 May 2002 23:24:39 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

    > Size alone doesn't mean much.

Well, now we know
 
Old May 18th 2002, 1:22 am
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Miguel Cruz wrote:

    >
    >
    > Is Russia one of the most important countries in the world? That's a big question!

Yes, Russia *is* one of the most important countries in the world! It's the biggest
country in the world (covers almost a half of Europe and the whole Northern Asia) -
it still has military control over Central Asia (a strategically important region at
the moment), it's a member of the G8 and a lot of other organizations, and a
permanent member of the UN Security Council.

Which countries should otherwise be the most important in the world if not Russia is
one of them? I would say that the USA is the most important country, then the EU
(well, it's not a country), then Russia, China - and which other countries?

    >
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    > miguel
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Old May 18th 2002, 2:20 am
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Emil Jelstrup <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Miguel Cruz wrote:
    >> Is Russia one of the most important countries in the world? That's a big question!
    >
    > Yes, Russia *is* one of the most important countries in the world! It's the biggest
    > country in the world (covers almost a half of Europe and the whole Northern Asia)

Australia and Canada are both tremendously huge countries geographically but I would
continue to dispute any assertion that it catapults them to top player status.

    > - it still has military control over Central Asia (a strategically important region
    > at the moment), it's a member of the G8 and a lot of other organizations, and a
    > permanent member of the UN Security Council.

Many of their memberships are historical artifacts and you can see that in the way
they behave and the way other nations behave towards them.

    > Which countries should otherwise be the most important in the world if not Russia
    > is one of them?

USA, China, UK, India, Japan. And in a certain, possibly transient, way, Israel
and Pakistan.

Important countries are the ones where things happen and decisions are made that have
ongoing regional and/or global impact.

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Old May 18th 2002, 3:20 am
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Harvey V <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > I espied that on 17 May 2002, mpprh <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Hi
    > >
    > > I've been following the various threads entitles something like "Should I go to
    > > X ?...
    > >
    > > It seems to me there are cities, and there are "world cities".
    > >
    > > From my experience, world cities are -
    > >
    > > San Francisco Sydney London Berlin Seoul Tokyo Cairo Paris Rome Rio
    > >
    > > In order of number of letters !
    > >
    > > Of course this is subjective,
    > >
    > > Any comments ?
    > >
    > > Peter
    > >
    >
    >
    > Hmmmm.......I can't imagine that any list of world cities can possibly exclude
    > New York.
    >
    > My list -- which is unabashedly western-centric; is the view of an town
    > planner/urban designer; isn't meant to be comprehensive; and doesn't account for
    > some overlap begween groups -- would be divided into a greater number of
    > categories.
    >
    >
    > Group 1A -- world cities due to age, culture, size and economics
    >
    > London, Paris, New York, Moscow, Tokyo, Rome
    >
    >
    > Group 1B -- world cities due purely to size and economic importanace
    >
    > Mexico City, Seoul, Rio, Sydney, Hong Kong
    >
    >
    > Group 2 -- regional cities, but important in more than just their own region
    >
    > Chicago, San Francisco, Amsterdam, Berlin, Stockholm
    >
    >
    > Group 3 -- nice places, but of true economic importance only in their own region
    >
    > Toronto, Frankfurt, Auckland, Munich, Milan, Edinburgh
    >
    >
    > It's possible to continue with more groups, but I'll resist the temptation......

wow! does this mean you think Sydney is the fourth most important city in terms of
size and economic importance?
 
Old May 18th 2002, 5:21 am
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mpprh wrote:
    >
    > Hi
    >
    > I've been following the various threads entitles something like "Should I go
    > to X ?...
    >
    > It seems to me there are cities, and there are "world cities".
    >
    > From my experience, world cities are -
    >
    > San Francisco Sydney London Berlin Seoul Tokyo Cairo Paris Rome Rio
    >
    > In order of number of letters !
    >
    > Of course this is subjective,
    >
    > Any comments ?

London? Vienna?
    >
    > Peter
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Old May 18th 2002, 7:22 am
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"mpprh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Hi
    >
    > I've been following the various threads entitles something like "Should I go
    > to X ?...
    >
    > It seems to me there are cities, and there are "world cities".
    >
    > From my experience, world cities are -
    >
    > San Francisco Sydney London Berlin Seoul Tokyo Cairo Paris Rome Rio
    >
    >
    > In order of number of letters !
    >
    > Of course this is subjective,
    >
    > Any comments ?
    >
    > Peter

You certainly left off many I think of as cities of interest to the entire world! I
would have left off San Francisco and added New York, for a start. Seoul, but not
Venice? Berlin but not Paris? Too many disagreements to adequately approach here. For
me, all cities are worth a look. St Petersburg, for example, with incredible art and
physical beauty. Peking, Shanghai, Hong Kong, even. Marakech and Madrid, Barcelona,
Vienna, Budapest...my list is a whole lot longer than yours.
 
Old May 18th 2002, 8:20 am
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"Polar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 17 May 2002 21:47:28 GMT, Harvey V
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >I espied that on 17 May 2002, mpprh <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Hi
    > >>
    > >> I've been following the various threads entitles something like "Should I go to
    > >> X ?...
    > >>
    > >> It seems to me there are cities, and there are "world cities".
    > >>
    > >> From my experience, world cities are -
    > >>
    > >> San Francisco Sydney London Berlin Seoul Tokyo Cairo Paris Rome Rio Peter

    > >Hmmmm.......I can't imagine that any list of world cities can possibly exclude
    > >New York.

    > >Group 1A -- world cities due to age, culture, size and economics
    > >
    > > London, Paris, New York, Moscow, Tokyo, Rome
    > >
    > >
    > >Group 1B -- world cities due purely to size and economic importanace
    > >
    > > Mexico City, Seoul, Rio, Sydney, Hong Kong
    > >
    > >
    > >Group 2 -- regional cities, but important in more than just their own region
    > >
    > > Chicago, San Francisco, Amsterdam, Berlin, Stockholm
    > >
    > >
    > >Group 3 -- nice places, but of true economic importance only in their own region
    > >
    > > Toronto, Frankfurt, Auckland, Munich, Milan, Edinburgh
    > >
    > >
    > >It's possible to continue with more groups, but I'll resist the temptation......
    >
    >
    > SFX: Muffled sobs
    >
    > I suppose Los Angeles is just...out there somewhere...
    >
    >
    > --
    > Polar

Well, yes, because as a CITY it fails to hold together. It is so disorganized that
hardly anyone knows where the center is, let alone actually goes there. LA feels like
the world's largest collection of suburbs to me.
 
Old May 18th 2002, 9:30 am
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I espied that on 18 May 2002, [email protected] (Helen A.) wrote:
    > Harvey V <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...

-snip-

    >> Group 1B -- world cities due purely to size and economic importance
    >>
    >> Mexico City, Seoul, Rio, Sydney, Hong Kong
    >>
-snip-
    >
    > wow! does this mean you think Sydney is the fourth most important city in terms of
    > size and economic importance?
    >

Nah: just that I suspected that, in terms of the world economy, it probably has some
pull by virtue of its proximity to Asia. (I should have labelled this group as "due
purely to size and/or economic importance".)

I could be wrong about Sydney, of course........indeed, one poster pulled it out of
that group really quickly......

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Old May 18th 2002, 9:31 am
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I espied that on 18 May 2002, [email protected] (Luca Logi) wrote:

    > Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> What about Shanghai ?
    >
    >
    > A list that forgets places like Beijing and Bombay cannot be serious

For my part, the list wasn't really serious at all! More in the nature of "this is
how I'd structure such a list, and how it might look from one person's
western-European-centred viewpoint".

It's interesting how much reaction this sort of classifying generates, but in the end
it depends on subjective criteria.

(A for classifying of places, I like the way that local newspapers in boring suburban
towns invariably play up those "liveability" surveys in which their backwater winds
up as the finest locale in the nation. They tend not to point out that such surveys
often don't allow for the excitement of big, complex and historic urban places,
because they couldn't be measured quantitatively.....)

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Old May 18th 2002, 9:31 am
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I espied that on 17 May 2002, "Gus" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Berlin in Group 2? Thats a little off, IMHO. Definitely somewhere in Group 1.

Hmmm. I'm not sure. It's undoubtedly reclaimed importance since reunification, but
I just don't see it as standing up there in group 1A with London, New York, Paris
and Tokyo.

As for putting it in 1B, it doesn't have the sheer size of places like Mexico City or
Rio. As the capital of the largest of the common currency zone countries, so its
status seems to me to lie with the other "non-great" European capitals.

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Old May 18th 2002, 10:21 am
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mpprh wrote:
    > there are cities, and there are "world cities".
    >
    > From my experience, world cities are -
    >
    > San Francisco Sydney London Berlin Seoul Tokyo Cairo Paris Rome Rio

I live in one and have visited four of the others. How can you have omitted
Manhattan?

You have not given us your definition of "world city" so maybe Manhattan doesn't
qualify. I would include many other wonderful cities, many of them in North America,
as worthy of the world's attention in the sense of being great places to visit and,
perhaps even, to live.
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