Sparky application question Again !!!!!!
 

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Hello,

First of all look at the following website

http://www.workplace.gov.au/workplac...oAustralia.htm

This will give you the first stage and will keep you busy for sometime.

regards

kevin

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Thanks for the fast reply Kevin i,m about to e-mail them now. :D
Dougie

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Hi Dougie,

If you are applying as an Electrician, you will need to apply through Vetassess for the initial immigration process. This involves a paper assessment and a practical assessment. Testing periods are roughly every quarter and you have up until a certain date (about a month or a little more before the practicals start date) to submit the paper application. Once positive, you then proceed to the practical. There is a lot of info on here at the moment about this as the July practicals have just got underway, so there is some feed back on these.

Once you have received the positive assessment through Vetassess (http://www.vetassess.com.au/index.cfm?menu=1.3a) you can then apply for your visa.

The vetassess website has lots of info on the in's and out's of this process.

There are of course the usual medicals and police checks that you need to have done for your visa, which can be front loaded or done when you are asked to do so.

Once you get over to Oz, there is yet more paper work to fill in as you will need to get a licence and go to college etc etc. :D

What you get from Vetassess is an OTSR (Offshore Technical Skills Record). Which is I think supposed to be the equivalent to the Australian Qualification (certificate) III. You can then apply for a B licence which will enable you to work supervised and attend college to get your A license.

As for the licensing in QLD, try the following website: www.deir.qld.gov.au.
Info on licensing is available from the Vetassess website. http://www.vetassess.com.au/download...Electrical.pdf

I hope this is of some help to you. If you have any questions feel free to ask and I will try to help. :thumbsup:

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Hi Dougie,

You seem to have plenty of experience in different electrical backgrounds and it might be worth you taking a look at applying for "Electrician -Special Class". I applied back in January for this type because I'm from a maintenance background and it made the process of getting your skills accessed alot easier. In my case it only took 3 weeks from sending the application form off to getting the green light to apply for my visa.

If you go via this route you will need to apply to "TRA" to get your skills assessed. The cost for this assessment was $300 in Jan + the courier charge when you send the forms back to Canberra.
(TRA = Trades recognition Australia)

Take a look at the link below, I got most of my info from this site & Expats.

http://www.workplace.gov.au/workplac...oAustralia.htm

As far as the Licences when you get over to Qld - I wouldn't start thinking of that until you have had your skills assessed and your visa has been put in.

Anyway Good luck with your application.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Hello All,

Think long and hard before going down the "Special Class", most people on here are looking to do either "maintenance(fitters) or Industry / commercial / domestic(mechanics). Which i believe is "general electrician" on the immigration list.

If you look at any of these, you need to do Vessetess theory and practical, a word of warning, most companies will not touch you unless you have a "electrical mechanics and the one's that will want a Electrical Fitters license, the rest are restricted licences linked to the trade for which they are issued (not electricians)

I live in Brisbane and i hear this all the time, companies are out there that hired sparkys as trade assistants but the money isn't as good and you don't get the licence.

Hope this helps, i'm not trying to put anyone off going down the route they have choosen, but some people have struggled and lot's of research is needed

Regards

Kevin

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Kevin

If you apply for the "Special Class" route does that mean that you can't apply to the "ARTC" as either a "Electrical Fitter or mechanic"??

The way I had been thinking was as follows:

Apply to TRA as Electrician Special Class.
Apply for Visa
Apply to ARTC for either a Fitter or Mechanic Grade
Go down to Peer and complete the Wiring course
Apply in Adelaide for License.
Transfer to Qld.

Is this correct or have a picked it up wrong???

If I've picked the information up wrong I apologise for mis-leading you Dougie.

:confused:

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Hi Glapper,

I think the classification you get initially is for immigration purposes only(ie Special Class or General Electrician). Whichever path gets you out there.

Once you get to Oz you can then do anything you like provided you are trained and have whatever license is needed. The ARTC will do an assessment of your skills similarly to a college practical and exam etc. and then based on that you will be granted a licence or not as they see fit.

I think an element of college is needed too for all english sparks anyway.

That's my understanding. :)

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this is pretty much exactly how i am doing it. have already been assessed as electrician special class. have applied for artc as electrical fitter. booked on PEER course. will apply for license in SA (already spoken to licensing authority there, doesnt matter if you have artc for mechanic or fitter you can still get same electrical workers license). get sa electrical license transferred to WA. get license as electrical mechanic.

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Thanks for all the replies guys,

:confused::confused::confused:
I am really only after the route in which to go down which will have me working at the highest grade possiable in QLD upon arrival in OZ

I,m guessing the general agreement is

1.Apply to TRA
2.get accepted by TRA
3.Apply for Visa
4.Get meds & cop report
5.get accepted for visa
6.move to OZ
7.Do wiring course (16/17th edition OZ style)
8.Work as a supervised spark (what type of money is this per hour ish compared??)
9.apply for ARTC to gain full un-supervised sparky and special class / petro-chemical COMPEX type thing OZ style
10.not have to worry about any more paper work and enjoy the new life:thumbup:


Please feel free anyone to fill in the blanks where i may be able to do things quicker or what distance courses have you/friend done that are applicable to me that may reduce the time spent on the lower wage in OZ

Does this make sense :blink:??

Hope you guys can help and look forward to hearing your replies

Regards

Dougie



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Ps with a TRA application do you have to do any theroy / practicals in england?? only reading post about people applying through vittesse and they have to book on and pass exam before they can apply for visa??
Whats the difference in application i take it there must be otherwise everyone would be down the TRA route yeah??

thanks again folks

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not sure if i would call it the highest grade but electrical mechanic is the endorsement with no restrictions. points 1 to 6 as you have posted are correct. you dont have to be in oz to start the process of getting a license though.
this is how am doing it.
1) applied to TRA for skills assessment (vetassess for general electrician eg installation / domestic etc)
2) apply for visa
3) meds and police checks
4) visa granted
5) apply for ARTC from uk using a friend in Oz for address (this is NOT any type of license, it is a certificate saying you have a trade equivalent to an australian one ie electrical mechanic or electrical fitter)
6) you must have an ARTC certificate to apply for a license. you can either do the license in the state you will be working/living or do it in another state (as i am doing) where the licensing system is quicker and easier. you can then transfer the license to another state.
7) you can now work as a licensed electrician.

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Thanks Lee,

RE:
1) applied to TRA for skills assessment (vetassess for general electrician eg installation / domestic etc)

what do you get from the TRA that you dont get from vetassess? is it one or the other or do you need both?

If you only need one is the TRA the one for me with the skills and experience i have?

I,m really sorry for pestering but I WILL get to the bottom of this today :thumbsup:
and really appreciate all the help i,m getting here but the more i read into the various posts and the more conflicting views i here makes me wanna stay in england:thumbdown:















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YEAH RIGHT

no but serious please help

thaks Dougie

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Hi Dougie,

Take a look at this link for Electrician Special Class:
http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/occupati...s)-4311-13.htm

and the following for General Electrician
http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/occupati...al-4311-11.htm

This is the different between the two.

You only need either TRA or either Vetassess and depends on which route you decide to take. Vetassess for the General Electrician and TRA for the Special Class Electrician. I think the links above give you assessment boby details.

Hope this assists. :thumbsup:

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thats right. they are two different trades. have a read through and see which one best describes your job. mine was electrician special class as i repair machines, fault find on process lines etc. if you mainly do installation, rewires etc (sorry to generalise!) then general electrician is for you. once you know which type of electrician you are its easy. to apply a visa you must first have your skills assessed. general electricians are assessed by vetassess, electrician special class by TRA. this isnt any form of qualification. just part of the visa process.
lee.

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THANKS for the input i really feel that i am getting somewhere now :D

Would i be right in thinking that if i applied down the TRA route for a 'special class' was approved then of course this gives me the right to apply for the Visa. OK great.

If i fail on my application i have lost $300 ish and must go down the vetassess route with all the practicals and theory and more expense etc etc :mad:

If i pass and get to OZ on that visa then i of course still have to do the Peer exams in the south (for speed reasons) then do a practical ARTC exam and based on this they will give me a license based on what they see me as competent for, (ie)
Electrical mechanic licence
Electrical linesperson licence
Electrical fitter licence
Electrical jointer licence
Restricted electrical work licence
Electrical work training permit

then off to work once i have swapped the license to QLD or do i ?? (post 8 here http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...71#post6539171 )

If the above is correct then for 'speed reasons' i may aswell take my chances down the specials road as i have good experience with :

motors,soft star units for motors, control circuits & fault finding on them , pneunatics , trace heating (dont think they'll have that in OZ much :p) stripping down of engines and motors , saab and motherwell tank guage systems , hazadous area classified equipment,LV, SELV, fire alarm systems,inspection and testing and few other bits and bobs...

however i have no formal qualifacations for the above :frown:

What type of certs / references etc did you guys produce to the TRA to get accepted that way?

Not long now i can see the light at the end of this tunnel :thumbsup:

Thanks in advance again guys

Regards
Dougie

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Hi Dougie

The Qualifications/training that I put in my app were as follows:

Electrical - ONC & HNC
Mechanical HNC
PLC Courses - PLC 2,5, SLC, Logix & S5
Various Allen Bradley Drives/inverter training courses
16/17th Wiring regs.
inspection & Test (2391)
Basic fitting courses through out my apprenticeship.
Work Ref:

To be honest I listed any training courses/qualifications that I have certificates to back them up with. I was thinking along the lines of the more evidence the better.

Good luck with what ever route you end up taking. Fingers crossed you get assessed very quickly and move on to your visa asap. By the way what area of Qld are you looking at moving to???? ;)

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Thanks Glapper,
Thats some CV you have there mate well done,:thumbsup:

Sadly it looks like i may have to go down the vetassess route then if this is the type of format that the TRA are looking for:(

As it seems a bit of a gamble to waste more time and money applying through the TRA route only to be declined !!

What sort of qualifacations have you other people got that have been succesfull through the TRA??

Although i may qualify as i,ve been a suprvisor now for a few years and may be able to get a glowing reference off my current boss :p

Looks like i may also have to make a 'statutory declaration' both for the time i have worked at a company that no longer exists and also for my time on wembley stadium and the London under ground as this was work for various different agencies and would not have anyone to approach for a reference here. (was just chasing the £$£$£ for 6mths and wish i'd have put it to good use then hey:o)

Any tips and pointers on 'pimping my application' would be brilliant especially if its first hand.

anyway not going to give up on the TRA route just yet.

Dougie

PS hopefully going south of brisbane GC around coomera looks great but alot more research needed regarding schools and areas ,value for money etc dont mind 60min commute and of course need to be close enough to the beach :thumbup:.

What about you Glapper where you heading?

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dougie, i too come from a very specialized field (which is not listed in any immigration category) we looked at the tra route (a friend of ours was successful this way, but it took nearly 2 full years). we also looked at doing the general electrician route.
firstly, in your petrochem job are you production ops or skilled trades? if you have any quals from an apprenticeship, its a bit easier.
our agents suggested that we went down the general electrician, vetassess route. this gets you an ofstr which can be used for permanent residency applications.
no matter what you do here in uk, you wont get a full ticket until you do some formal, certified training down under. this was explained to me by the course directors of vetassess.
so, i believe the easiest and quickest route is through vetassess.
you apply in writing, send some certified docs,they assess you on paper, and if happy, arrange a practical assessment. this seems to take anything from 5 months (in our case) to 3 months (i've read on the forum)

i suppose its like anything else in life, if its easy for the immigration officers to process, it goes through nice and easy. when its something they dont understand, they have to go and check it out.
it may also be worth looking up wether youre specialist certs (Eex stuff) is recognised in oz.

i know the vetassess route aint cheap:ohmy: but its recognised and held regularly.

D:cool:

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dougie, just read your last post.

coomera is flippin lovely. as a bonus the property prices are stalling somewhat. we looked earlier in the year and it is gorgeous. schools are good but obviously very busy. there are some part funded private schools with excellent reputations to be had also.

if youre gonna be working in brisbane, the commute will not be pleasant. everybody wants to live down there (understandably) and the motorway, although massive, is very busy in rush hour. is it worth it? i said yes, mrs d said no. so, you guessed it we'll be living in brisbane:( havin said that 60min drive up from bris sunshine coast, 40min down from bris gold coast:) so the weekends are all sorted.:D

i spose youve found realestate.com.au? coomera, hope island, runaway bay. theyre all lovely. mostly brand new, resort style houses.:cool:

D

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Doberman thanks,
2 years through the TRA thats not an option i,m afraid !

The threads i have been looking at the TRA seem the quickest IMHO as the general wait time tends to be about 4-5 weeks before (if you are successful) you can apply for the visa.

As for my experience i am a time served approved JIB electrician so that along with the supervisors position i have been waffling on about, the glowing reference off my current employer , refs of previous employers and a couple of 'statutory declaration's' i am thinking of taking my chances this way as opposed to the vetassess one.

Yeah coomera looks like where i would like to settle but again nothing set in stone yet but really want to be away from all the hussle and bussle socially, not bothered where i work to be fair just need to make some improvements to our lifestyle, hence the move down under.

But like i said if anyone has any info regarding certs etc etc and what they submitted to the TRA that would be great :thumbsup:

Dougie

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Hello Dougie,

We are hoping that we can move to Rochdale or surrounding areas because we have some friends that live not far from here - Mind you it could all change once we get over and have a good look around. We will be stopping with our friends for the first few months so we can get on our feet before buying anything.

I'll have a look through my files to see if any might be of any use to you with your application.

:thumbup:

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thanks that would be great need to get this right first time or $300 an month wasted :curse:
Just started contactin previous employers for proof of when i worked for them and what type of stuff i was doing.
tick tock tick tock

Dougie