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Hi my husband is doing the full electrician course with olci he will have the 17th edition and will be doing a written exam at the end to make him testing and inspection qualified. Does anyone know what he will need to do to convert to electrician in oz as I am being told different things from 5 mins to 12 months! Thanks

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What qualifications will he have when he finishes?

Assuming he has enough to safisfy a skills assessment, he will need to do gap training and complete a log book of work in Australia. If you are having skills assesse in the UK, he will need to apply to Vetassess (there are other options but Vetassess is most common), provide his evidence, take a trade test and be issued an OTSR. When he gets to Australia, the gap training and log book could easily take 12 months.

If he waits and applies for assessment in Australia, he could apply to TRA for recognition and ARTC. The process takes about 3 months. SA currently will swap an ARTC and wiring rules cert (which is 7 day course) for full license. NSW I heard wouldn't accept ARTC - not sure of process in other states, but had heard it was headed the same way as OTSR in that overseas electricians need upto 1 year supervised work.

That's as much as I know - other's may have more to add. My experience is as maintenance electrician as industrial enviroments, and with over 20 years exp. I start work on Monday after nearly 5 months in Australia - I did gap training in July, and have OTSR :)

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Hi thanks for that he doesn't need skills assessed for visa as I have enough points so will that make a difference ? He is doing a log book in uk will that help too? Thanks

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He wont be recognized without a full apprenticeship and a minimum of 3 yrs post trade experience. I presume this training he is doing is one of these fast track sparky courses that allows him to do domestic work?

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Hi thanks yes it is it is 2 years part time but he will be able to work as an electrician in uk with the highest qualifications when complete so he needs 3 years experience in the uk to be able to be certified in oz? are you 100% sure as this is not what we have been told?

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A 2 year part time course does not equal a 4 year apprenticeship. Read the posts on here and you will find the information. The people running the course may say he is getting the highest qualifications but trust me he is not he will not be able to get a JIB card. I am originally from Scotland and we don't even recognize these courses there.

http://www.innovation.gov.au/skills/...Guidelines.pdf
read page 63 for TRA guidlines

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A 2 year part time course does not equal a 4 year apprenticeship. Read the posts on here and you will find the information. The people running the course may say he is getting the highest qualifications but trust me he is not he will not be able to get a JIB card. I am originally from Scotland and we don't even recognize these courses there.

http://www.innovation.gov.au/skills/...Guidelines.pdf
read page 63 for TRA guidlines

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Hi well he will defiantly be able to get a JIB card I know that for sure.

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Also is this document is for getting a visa? He will not need a visa just a licence when we get there I guess I will have to see the licencing requirements for each state? We are going to the show at birmingham about emigrating so should find out there for sure. Thanks

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No it is to get a provisional license which would allow you to begin gap training and he needs 7 years exp in total. One thing i will say about Australia is even though their standard is poor compared to the UK they are tight with regards to taxi drivers becoming overnight electricians.

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That sounds very judgemental and negative my husband already works In the trade he is not a taxi driver and even if he was what is so terrible about changing career? ANYONE can change career all it takes is a good positive attitude, hard work and dedication this will take him at least 2 years we know that (with one year working on be job) this wont make him any less qualified than someone who obtained the qualifications another route and surely they will go on what you can do ie. sit an exam rather than on your years of experience to give you a licence? At the end of the day if you can do the job you can do the job. Can anyone clarify this? Do you really need 7 years experience is it a Pre requisit to a licence or is it based on what you can actually do?

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When i applied for my PR. I had to prove that i worked as an electrician for 7 years. I honestly cant see the Ozzie states recognising a 2 year course with little experience. But someone may prove me wrong. But i doubt it.

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When i applied for my PR. I had to prove that i worked as an electrician for 7 years. I honestly cant see the Ozzie states recognising a 2 year course with little experience. But someone may prove me wrong. But i doubt it.

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There is a big difference between these fast track courses and a real apprenticeship. How would you feel if the doctor carrying out your operation had only done half the training and had no experience? The majority of sparks who do 4 years training are unsure of themselves for a couple of years after they qualify as it really does come down to experience. I personally feel it is a disgrace how they allow this in England. If he has already worked in the industry for a number of years then this route to gaining the qualifications could be deemed acceptable. Sorry to disagree but I firmly believe that people need a required amount of training .

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Please read eligibility test on this form on the page 4.

If he can answer YES on all of the questions on the page 4 then he is eligible to get Australian trade certificate, to do the 12 months gap training and finally to get A grade license. He still needs to satisfy other requirements (read pages 1 and 2 as well)/

If he wants to proceed with the application please let him read about ARTC.

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Hi thanks for that I guess the only thing to do ithen is get the visa in 2 years then go on holiday there then come back and get the experience in uk then after 5 years go over before visa runs out and get licence? Or could he work as an electricians mate in oz for 5 years before getting licence? If he did that does anyone know how much they get paid?

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glad you got sorted,

Steve

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Yeah i bet your glad! 5 months is a long time. I just got laid off from my job due to the company having no work for the last couple of months but I have managed to get something else straight away. It is certainly not easy to get work here now

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Depends whwer you live. seems to be loads of work in Sydney as i keep getting emails from SEEk.

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Thanks both - ended up with a couple of offers at the same time, but it's not easy while you're still on supervised license.

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Congratulations as well!! Good for you. So now, after 5 months of "holiday" back on the horse :). Is it the job in the brewery factory? I'd love to work there too.. :)

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I wish :lol: - said yes to role with water company (desalination and RO units) and then found out I would have made it through - brewery was just too slow :(

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Well done on your job too. I have asked an immigration agent to investigate the 7 years experience requirement to get licence which someone said would be mandatory and have found this to be incorrect.

What you have to do is take tests to prove your skill and knowledge and work for up to a year supervised in order to obtain your licence. Just in case anyone is reading this and thinking they cannot work as an electrician without 7 years experience. Obviously I am sure you will need experience to do the tests but certainly you don't have to prove you have 7 years.

Getting a qualification which you work independently every evening and carry out numerous practical training courses and testing/exams before working as an electricians mate where your training continues on site and you take tests that prove you have the qualifications after a couple of years is not less respected than gaining the qualifications any other way, its the same qualification at the end of the day just a different route. For example if a teacher got their training via a PGCE instead of a 4 year degree would not make them any less qualified to do the job.



Thanks

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So, Trade Recognition Australia is providing incorrect information's. Interesting!

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Yeah sure. Good luck then.

PS Let us know once he gets an A grade license.

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This is what is says on the Australian Government for the ARTC guidelines Website .

2.4
Eligibility for an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate

To be granted an ARTC, you must be able to demonstrate that you:
• are an Australian permanent resident or citizen, hold a New Zealand Passport or hold a visa that allows you to temporarily reside and work in your trade in Australia
• reside in Australia
• have sufficient English language skills to perform the work of the trade safely in Australia
• have sufficient training and experience to meet the requirements of the Criteria and Guidelines and the Act
• have completed the requirements of the Offshore Technical Skills Record (OTSR) if one has been issued to you
• undertake all steps in the assessment process including, where applicable, a technical interview, trade test or other action requested by an LC
• are currently capable of performing the work of your trade in Australia.

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And to apply for the ARTC you need to complete a relevant overseas apprenticeship which he will have done, so the 7 years experience is only for those without the appropriate training and not for those with the appropriate on site training which was what was initially implied. This is where the confusion was.

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Have you looked at the criteria of what satisfies the suitable training -

From http://www.innovation.gov.au/skills/...Guidelines.pdf

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Thanks so he will be on option 1 or 2 after the years coursework he will be working as a trainee for a year or 2 getting his jib card etc. so then he would have to work another year to ensure he does 4 years training?

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The problem will be that if he doesn't have a certificate of apprenticeship, you may find that the 7 years will apply as he doesn't have enough structured training. He may be better off looking for a mature apprenticeship in Australia, and getting the Cert III that way.

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Ok thanks v much for the info guess we will go for it and see have heard others have done it so sure its doable I'm going to get the visa anyway then take it from there will have 5 years after that to work it out and will get more info when we are there if we want to make the move permenant :)

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I have a 4 year apprenticeship, part ONC (final results not registered for some reason) and HNC, and many years of experience but was unable to get detailed references - and I was advised against trying for ARTC as I would not get it (before they imposed the rule regarding OTSR's)

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That's strange old sparkles I have almost the exact quals as you SJIB 4 year apprenticeship and SVQ III and ONC+HNC and I had no problem getting getting my ARTC.

I do think the whole process is a bit of a lottery at times to be honest.

To the OP

I have to add my two pennyworth and say be prepared for a lot of heartache sorting out the licencing and gap training when you get here.

The system is very convoluted and everyone seems to have different interpretations of the requirements. You will even find gov departments and TAFEs giving different advice and requirements on what to do.

Personally I found PEER in Adelaide and QET (Queensland Electrical Training) More helpful and knowledgable on what to do to gain a licence than many of the government departments and Tafes.

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don't stress about all this, the man is right when he says you hubby shall need 3 years experience after all training or if he has not done a full 4 years FULL time (No part time) he shall then have to do 7 years after all training is complete that's how its been here for many years sorry to say.
if anybody tells you different they are talking shite.

try to be positive people are here to help you that's all: there's nothing wrong with changing careers lots of people do that but the main thing is they must do the required hands on work for Xxxx amount of years after all training. we all know he wont be any less qualified & he may also be very good at what he is doing but the law is the law over here & to get the full license its jumping through hoops at times.

when you apply to migrate read all the documents & then cross reference them against his skills, stay focused don't let emotions sway you keep to the requirements then if his skills or his experience is not to the requirements then wait until your both sure he has time relevant experience for the required post years experience.he wont be able to sit any exams at all until you go through the migration process once you get accepted & your here then he can apply to the local college (Tafe) to do the required top up courses in the state your going to live in. take as much advice from people on here as you can, ignore company's that are operating in the UK that's saying you can do there course over there & then get a full license when you get here that simply wont happen.

So if he has not done the 4 years apprenticeship on a full time basis, he shall need 7 years experience & after all training & that means working full time after training in the UK.

your only just starting to enter the mine field, imagine when you get here he wont be able to work as a spark until her gets the full electrical license & that takes a lot of time i can assure you. remember one step at a time & ASK people on here they are fantastic people.

Arthur in melbourne

PS
what state would you like to reside in if i can ask

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Although it was a couple of years ago, I was told by ARTC that although I started my apprenticeship and never finished it I would qualify for ARTC cert through completing the training program for a electrical crafts person and being employed for more than 4 years.
I basically started apprenticeship and got laid off as the company went bust. I went working as a electricians mate a few months later and paid to go to nightschool where I completed the exact qualifications as you would in a apprenticeship ie. c&g 2360 pt 1&2, nvq level 3 which JIB also recognise.
So if your partner is doing these quals I would have thought he will qualify for a ARTC after 4 years experience including training.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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The problems now are that you cannot apply for an ARTC from overseas, you must do OTSR and satisfy those requirements. Once you have an OTSR you cannot apply for ARTC until you have completed the requirements for the OTSR gap training.

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If he completes the c&g 2330 and NVQ at level 3 with 4 years experience, that should satisfy the below quote from the criteria and guidelines on the ARTC website.
So should be able to apply for ARTC and miss out the OTSR.
Do you agree??

2. completed the training program for an electrical craftsman prescribed by any Industry Training Board approved by the Central Trades Committee, including successful completion of appropriate formal training,3 received the Craftsman's Certificate and had a period of employment experience on work ordinarily performed by a tradesperson in that classification2 which,togetherwiththeperiodoftraining,totalsnotles sthan4years;

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17th Edition and the 2391 inspection and testing is not enough to be considered for a ARTC. It will have to be the craftsman certificate which I believe is the c&g 2330 level 3 or btec level 3 along with NVQ level 3 and will have to have at least 4 years experience.

The 17th edition and inspection and testing are a waste of time to be honest as they are not recognised in Australia and will have to do the Australian equivalent when he eventually gets his Australian licence.

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It's c & g 2357 and nvq 3 that he is doing would that qualify?

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Micetroo:
he would still need 4 x years on the job experience even with the above qualifications