Electrical Information 4 u
May 28th 2009, 11:17 am
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Re: Electrical Information 4 u
Hi Jon,
Please only speak to Peter Jolly - he's in the know.
This is a really confusing time and very limited people know what options there are.
I've spoke to Peers, TRA, and licencing authority in SA and they all said if I now get an Atrc then we can go this route even though we've got the Vetassess.
Up to you what you do but I'm here now and no-one whats a fully qualified spark that has to be always supervised.
Becky
Please only speak to Peter Jolly - he's in the know.
This is a really confusing time and very limited people know what options there are.
I've spoke to Peers, TRA, and licencing authority in SA and they all said if I now get an Atrc then we can go this route even though we've got the Vetassess.
Up to you what you do but I'm here now and no-one whats a fully qualified spark that has to be always supervised.
Becky
May 28th 2009, 11:25 am
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Re: Electrical Information 4 u
Hi Jon,
Please only speak to Peter Jolly - he's in the know.
This is a really confusing time and very limited people know what options there are.
I've spoke to Peers, TRA, and licencing authority in SA and they all said if I now get an Atrc then we can go this route even though we've got the Vetassess.
Up to you what you do but I'm here now and no-one whats a fully qualified spark that has to be always supervised.
Becky
Please only speak to Peter Jolly - he's in the know.
This is a really confusing time and very limited people know what options there are.
I've spoke to Peers, TRA, and licencing authority in SA and they all said if I now get an Atrc then we can go this route even though we've got the Vetassess.
Up to you what you do but I'm here now and no-one whats a fully qualified spark that has to be always supervised.
Becky
May 28th 2009, 11:29 am
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Re: Electrical Information 4 u
Jon,
It's difficult because it's still all new.....and I don't think it's working very well.
Trust me it's much more frustrating sat out here in Melbourne not being able to get work. Grrrrrr.
Becky
It's difficult because it's still all new.....and I don't think it's working very well.
Trust me it's much more frustrating sat out here in Melbourne not being able to get work. Grrrrrr.
Becky
May 28th 2009, 7:08 pm
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Re: Electrical Information 4 u
jonsparx;
Phone Peter Jolly, mention you Spoke to Arthur in Melbourne. we are friends
[email protected] ph 061 08 8348 1200
regards
Arthur
Phone Peter Jolly, mention you Spoke to Arthur in Melbourne. we are friends
[email protected] ph 061 08 8348 1200
regards
Arthur
May 28th 2009, 8:17 pm
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Re: Electrical Information 4 u
shar07;
phone Peter Jolly at PEER
PEER VEET
1042 Port Road
Albert Park SA 5014
Phone +61 8 8348 1200
Fax +61 8 8348 1201
www.peer.com.au <http://www.peer.com.au
tell peter you have been in touch with Arthur Quinn in Melbourne we have a good working relationship he is the main man for electrical training at PEER they are fantastic people.
arthur
phone Peter Jolly at PEER
PEER VEET
1042 Port Road
Albert Park SA 5014
Phone +61 8 8348 1200
Fax +61 8 8348 1201
www.peer.com.au <http://www.peer.com.au
tell peter you have been in touch with Arthur Quinn in Melbourne we have a good working relationship he is the main man for electrical training at PEER they are fantastic people.
arthur
May 29th 2009, 10:02 pm
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Re: Electrical Information 4 u
To who it may concern on this site
To who it may concern on this site
I spoke to the main person at PEER Training on 14-5-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.
If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.
To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC
1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.
You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.
This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.
People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are
lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A
I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.
It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.
Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.
If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.
Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.
Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.
I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.
Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.
The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week
Cost of A class license I think about $270.00 per 3 years
Cost of Contractors course about $850.00 (Allow for that) one payment only
Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.
Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.
Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn
Melbourne
If you don’t pay the licenses or Insurance your unable to work in a legal capacity.
To who it may concern on this site
I spoke to the main person at PEER Training on 14-5-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.
If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.
To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC
1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.
You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.
This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.
People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are
lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A
I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.
It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.
Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.
If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.
Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.
Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.
I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.
Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.
The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week
Cost of A class license I think about $270.00 per 3 years
Cost of Contractors course about $850.00 (Allow for that) one payment only
Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.
Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.
Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn
Melbourne
If you don’t pay the licenses or Insurance your unable to work in a legal capacity.
May 30th 2009, 12:08 am
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Re: Electrical Information 4 u
Hello All,
It's my believe that there's no A-class exam at PEER, i think the A class came from before the time when electricians needed to be licence, it was one way of telling apart the qualified from the non qualified, same with the motor mechanics.
There are two courses, the first is if you are required to sit a trade test, which is simular to the apprentices capstone exam. the second which is the wiring regs and is required to be taken by all to obtain a licence, which is called the " workers registration licence "
As in my previous thread, only one state classes it's licence as an A grade.
Regards
Kevin
It's my believe that there's no A-class exam at PEER, i think the A class came from before the time when electricians needed to be licence, it was one way of telling apart the qualified from the non qualified, same with the motor mechanics.
There are two courses, the first is if you are required to sit a trade test, which is simular to the apprentices capstone exam. the second which is the wiring regs and is required to be taken by all to obtain a licence, which is called the " workers registration licence "
As in my previous thread, only one state classes it's licence as an A grade.
Regards
Kevin
Jun 1st 2009, 7:37 pm
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Kevin S;
with regards to the classification of A grade or A class, its now standard across Australia for the License to be called A class in every state to eliminate any confusion.
with regards to the classification of A grade or A class, its now standard across Australia for the License to be called A class in every state to eliminate any confusion.
Jun 1st 2009, 8:40 pm
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Hello all,
Arthur, i don't want to get into a handbag slinging competition, but your statement can not be correct, i took the information from the mutual recognition website and there is nothing on there to back your claim.
You do some tremendous work for people on this forum and i don't wish to offend but you have to remain factual to be of any use.
Regards
Kevin
Arthur, i don't want to get into a handbag slinging competition, but your statement can not be correct, i took the information from the mutual recognition website and there is nothing on there to back your claim.
You do some tremendous work for people on this forum and i don't wish to offend but you have to remain factual to be of any use.
Regards
Kevin
Jun 2nd 2009, 1:37 am
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Kevin S;
thats ok my friend i have no problems with you making any comments its all fine, but can you show me in any other state where they make reference to the classification being anything else but A class, to be honest mate thats the info i have been told from PEER its not just me saying that i would never do that, if you phone PEER they shall tell you the same.
But for goodness sake Kevin im im wrong then you tell me so my friend
thats ok my friend i have no problems with you making any comments its all fine, but can you show me in any other state where they make reference to the classification being anything else but A class, to be honest mate thats the info i have been told from PEER its not just me saying that i would never do that, if you phone PEER they shall tell you the same.
But for goodness sake Kevin im im wrong then you tell me so my friend
Jun 2nd 2009, 5:04 am
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This email was a reply from Peter Jolley, regarding the route to be taken by Vetassess people to get fully licensed. His answers are in bold text.....
Hi
Thanks for your reply,
Can you tell me what more I need to do after I complete your correspondence course, in order to get the full unrestricted electrical license?
1, do I have to sit further exams / training at PEER when I arrive in Adelaide?
To obtain your unrestricted licence you will need an appropriate Certificate recognising tour skills eg ARTC, VETASSESS or similar you will also need to complete the gap training of approximately 160 hours
2,at what further cost?
at a cost of $12.00/hour
3, over what period of time.
12 months
I would like to proceed with your correspondence course but I also need clarification on these points.
To complete the process you will need to be employed, carry a work place
log and have a restricted electrical licence (fees for the licence are in the area of $300.00 dollars)
Hi
Thanks for your reply,
Can you tell me what more I need to do after I complete your correspondence course, in order to get the full unrestricted electrical license?
1, do I have to sit further exams / training at PEER when I arrive in Adelaide?
To obtain your unrestricted licence you will need an appropriate Certificate recognising tour skills eg ARTC, VETASSESS or similar you will also need to complete the gap training of approximately 160 hours
2,at what further cost?
at a cost of $12.00/hour
3, over what period of time.
12 months
I would like to proceed with your correspondence course but I also need clarification on these points.
To complete the process you will need to be employed, carry a work place
log and have a restricted electrical licence (fees for the licence are in the area of $300.00 dollars)
Last edited by jonsparx; Jun 2nd 2009 at 5:08 am.
Jun 2nd 2009, 11:02 pm
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Kevin S;
right mate i spoke to the people at PEER today, i asked what's the go with classification in different states. he said some states call the license by different names however they are going to make it a standard right across Australia calling it the Unrestricted Electrical License Holder.???? what a mouth full that is.
for People who come here on there spouses qualifications they can from Australia apply for the ARTC or ART then do the wiring course at peer. however if they don't have the ARTC or ART they can still do a limiting course at PEER but they shall have the license of restricted license holder or they can do 4 years training like an apprenticeship again. So the go is to get the ARTC or ART when here or better still from the UK.
He then said people who have been pushed down the vatessess route can do the PEER course but they must then keep a work book for 12 months in QLD & without any breaks of work in that time i asked what if people get potted due to lack of work he said then they start again, but that's all falling apart in QLD its become a nightmare for people to administer.
His words Not Mine
right mate i spoke to the people at PEER today, i asked what's the go with classification in different states. he said some states call the license by different names however they are going to make it a standard right across Australia calling it the Unrestricted Electrical License Holder.???? what a mouth full that is.
for People who come here on there spouses qualifications they can from Australia apply for the ARTC or ART then do the wiring course at peer. however if they don't have the ARTC or ART they can still do a limiting course at PEER but they shall have the license of restricted license holder or they can do 4 years training like an apprenticeship again. So the go is to get the ARTC or ART when here or better still from the UK.
He then said people who have been pushed down the vatessess route can do the PEER course but they must then keep a work book for 12 months in QLD & without any breaks of work in that time i asked what if people get potted due to lack of work he said then they start again, but that's all falling apart in QLD its become a nightmare for people to administer.
His words Not Mine
