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Freddy_uk Jun 5th 2012 8:45 pm

Re: worth taking electricals?
 
Generally anything with a motor or heating element wont work correctly in Canada. I wouldn't buy an inverter; why go 12v to 240v when you can use a transformer, most things are not frequency sensitive ( unless it has a motor). A cheap modified sine wave inverter is no good for inductive loads anyway.

I'd see what you need a transformer for, write down the current/Watts info from the applience label and scour the internet to see how much a 110/240 transformer is going to cost or to have a single phase 240v supply installed.

When I emigrate I intend to take only the items that will work out the box.

Greenhill Jun 5th 2012 11:06 pm

Re: worth taking electricals?
 
Not sure what your source is for this information but modified sine wave inverters are perfectly good for inductive loads such as motors :confused:


Originally Posted by Freddy_uk (Post 10103068)
A cheap modified sine wave inverter is no good for inductive loads anyway.


dgagitw Jun 5th 2012 11:43 pm

Re: worth taking electricals?
 

Originally Posted by Freddy_uk (Post 10103068)
Generally anything with a motor or heating element wont work correctly in Canada.

That really isn't born out by experience. I've used the following with no problem (via a step up transformer):

- coffee maker
- electric whisk
- food processor(s)
- hair dryer
- various convection heaters

No doubt the extra hertz will be placing more load on some of them but, after 2 years without trouble, you have to assume it's within the design tolerance of most items.

MikeUK Jun 6th 2012 1:06 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 

Originally Posted by Freddy_uk (Post 10103068)
Generally anything with a motor or heating element wont work correctly in Canada. I wouldn't buy an inverter; why go 12v to 240v when you can use a transformer, most things are not frequency sensitive ( unless it has a motor). A cheap modified sine wave inverter is no good for inductive loads anyway.

I'd see what you need a transformer for, write down the current/Watts info from the applience label and scour the internet to see how much a 110/240 transformer is going to cost or to have a single phase 240v supply installed.

When I emigrate I intend to take only the items that will work out the box.

You have no idea what your talking about !!

iaink Jun 6th 2012 1:38 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 
Some things wont work on an invertor because of the square nature of the AC generated, but they are few and far between. Things like electric blankets that use a simple electronic controlled (like a dimmer switch triac) to control the heat cycle tend to get overwhelmed, and although the light comes on and blinks, the blanket itself doesnt heat up.

But as a general rule, if you are shipping a container with furnature, you may as well fill it.

If you are travelling light, then sell up and just bring money to get replacements for stuff. Kijiji and the countless yard sales are good for that, no need to buy new.

MikeUK Jun 6th 2012 1:45 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10103614)
Soem things wont work on an invertor because of the square nature of the AC generated, but they are few and far between. Things like electric blankets that use a bi metalic strip to control the heat cycle tend to get overheated, and although the light comes on and blinks, the blanket itself doesnt heat up..

But if it was purely a resistive system that was controlled by a bi-metallic strip you wouldn't need an inverter or a transformer, it would actually function on 110v… just like a kettle will work but it’d just be slower

Not that I would recommend using an electric blanket outside of its specified operating range

Greenhill Jun 6th 2012 1:48 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 
The items that spring to mind are those that depend on converting the sinusoidal frequency into a clock pulse used in timing circuits.


Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10103614)
Some things wont work on an invertor because of the square nature of the AC generated,


iaink Jun 6th 2012 1:49 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 10103631)
But if it was purely a resistive system that was controlled by a bi-metallic strip you wouldn't need an inverter or a transformer, it would actually function on 110v… just like a kettle will work but it’d just be slower

Not that I would recommend using an electric blanket outside of its specified operating range

Its the triac ones that chop up the AC signal to control the load to the heating elements that cant cope with a square wave... post edited...

Greenhill Jun 6th 2012 1:51 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 
Ah, that makes sense.

If it's a simple to modify circuit the trac could be replaced with a diode (so the thing would operate on 50% power and not be adjustable).


Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10103641)
Its the triac ones that chop up the AC signal to control the load to the heating elements that cant cope with a square wave... post edited...


iaink Jun 6th 2012 2:01 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 

Originally Posted by Greenhill (Post 10103644)
Ah, that makes sense.

If it's a simple to modify circuit the trac could be replaced with a diode (so the thing would operate on 50% power and not be adjustable).

My guess is that as the voltage switching from full +120 to full -120 ever few mSec it simply doesnt have time to heat up. Either that or the triac controller gets fried by the sudden 240V in 0ms swings. just a guess though, Im not that sort of engineer.

Greenhill Jun 6th 2012 2:07 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 
As far as I remember the triac will switch on upto 90 degrees into the alternation based on the input at the gate, then remain on until 180 degrees (the end of the alternation). So basically giving variable control between half power and full power.

So my guess is it's either not switching on at all or it's fried.

Loving the new signature btw :rofl:


Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10103659)
My guess is that as the voltage switching from full +120 to full -120 ever few mSec it simply doesnt have time to heat up. Either that or the triac controller gets fried by the sudden 240V in 0ms swings. just a guess though, Im not that sort of engineer.


iaink Jun 6th 2012 2:46 am

Re: worth taking electricals?
 

Originally Posted by Greenhill (Post 10103667)

Loving the new signature btw :rofl:

Im glad:) People read so much into them:blink:

rivingtonpike Jun 6th 2012 12:25 pm

Re: worth taking electricals?
 
All I can tell you is that almost everything we brought with us works fine - either on the regular 110v or with a transformer.


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