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Old Oct 10th 2006 | 12:17 am
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i dont understand what burkhas have got to do with being normal;
That's an overt display of a cultural difference, so it's not "normal" to wear one in the west. I'm using "normal" here to mean ordinary, what most people do. Perhaps you could expand a bit on what you meant by "just normal"?
 
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I really don't think anyone here cares if other people are Muslims. Apart from women in burkhas I see obvious Muslims, from all sorts of countries, every day. There's no apparent issue around that. Korean Presbytarians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, otoh, are deservedly shunned.
Why Korean Presbytarians?
 
Old Oct 10th 2006 | 12:18 am
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Why Korean Presbytarians?
Their parking.
 
Old Oct 10th 2006 | 12:24 am
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I really don't think anyone here cares if other people are Muslims. Apart from women in burkhas I see obvious Muslims, from all sorts of countries, every day. There's no apparent issue around that. Korean Presbytarians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, otoh, are deservedly shunned.
Funny you should bring that up. The company I work for in the UK is small but has a relatively broad selection of types. There are "regular" Brits, a couple of Muslims, an Asperger's, Northeners. Even a bloke with red hair. Who complained about the office Christmas party? The Jehova's Witness.
 
Old Oct 10th 2006 | 12:26 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33
That's an overt display of a cultural difference, so it's not "normal" to wear one in the west. I'm using "normal" here to mean ordinary, what most people do. Perhaps you could expand a bit on what you meant by "just normal"?
normal. nothing to do with colour or creed or what one might wear. normal,rational,respectful.peaceful people
 
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Their parking.
That's rather ironic, given that Park is the surname of one in ten Koreans.
 
Old Oct 10th 2006 | 12:32 am
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That's rather ironic, given that Park is the surname of one in ten Koreans.
It's shocking though, to see it you'd think you were in Golders Green.
 
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Originally Posted by Souvenir
Funny you should bring that up. The company I work for in the UK is small but has a relatively broad selection of types. There are "regular" Brits, a couple of Muslims, an Asperger's, Northeners. Even a bloke with red hair. Who complained about the office Christmas party? The Jehova's Witness.
The reason why I am concerned is because most Europeans are now allowed to walk into Britain no questions asked.

If you go to places like Germany or France they still ask questions.

In France you can only get a job if a French person never applied for it.
In Germany they cap the number of Immigrants from each country in the EU.

What has Britain done other than said welcome.

Immigration may be a long troublesome process but it is a form of selecting who/what the country needs.

As far as Muslims are concerned they all have to pass through immigration like everyone on this site.

Looking at the security side of things generally it has been people born in England carrying out the work so immigration has nothing to do with that.

Can the Government actually come out and say 'we are dealing with immigrants in the appropriate manner'?

I don't believe they can and this is why the newspapers report it and then it builds on the impression we are the only country that puts up with this. Believe me we aren't it happens all over the world. Its just that our Government (bless them) refuses to talk about issues like this. (Probably because it's 'politcally incorrect' to do so).

Most of the concerns is through lack of concern on the governments part not because of the immigrants themselves.
 
Old Oct 10th 2006 | 12:39 am
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Originally Posted by Canada2006
- The adventure
- To better understand different cultures
- To make the best of the scenary/landscapes
- To be on the North American continent
- For a change of employment culture
- A more get-up and go spirt
- To be able to go shopping on a Sunday (we live in Belgium!)
- To have more things to do the weekend
- To have a more deep Asian experience
- To be away from Flemish racism



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Ditto apart from the Flemish bit!
 
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Originally Posted by Mr & Mrs


I like to call them my 3 D's: Disillusioned, Disgusted & demorilised!

We've been looking to emigrate for over 5 years and to be honest we just cannot wait to leave now.

We are going for many reasons, here are just a few. Fresh air, slower pace of living (depending on where your going) better schooling, better medical services (Compared to our NHS) sports for the kids is much better, a more family orientated style of life, time out with the kids, I could go on.

Leaving because of our justice system, crime etc, I know everyone has it but the UK takes the biscuit, the government, Tony Blair really makes me feel ill, overcrowding, poor schooling, poor NHS massive waiting lists and I could go on.

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Originally Posted by sinope
Ditto to Canada and Mr & Mrs on most of their reasons plus my main reason is my daughter and the environment I want her to grow up in. I am dismayed by the pressures placed on children in GB, not just exam led schooling but the all-pervading celeb-culture which means that six year old girls are now worrying that they are too fat etc. Canada seems to be a refreshingly frumpy country in comparison.
And again!

And I agree I don't like the racial tension brewing here.

Canada seems like Britain a long while ago in terms of socially acceptable behaviour, civilised society etc. Would be nice to not have to worry too much about whether you locked the door when you went upstairs!

Also more sensible government policies IMHO and less of a 'class' system, less 'them and us'.

Plus Tim Hortons
 
Old Oct 10th 2006 | 12:52 am
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Originally Posted by Lees147
The reason why I am concerned is because most Europeans are now allowed to walk into Britain no questions asked.

If you go to places like Germany or France they still ask questions.

In France you can only get a job if a French person never applied for it.
In Germany they cap the number of Immigrants from each country in the EU.
Not true. All citizens of Europe have the right to live and work in these two countries, except for citizens from the 10 new Eastern European countries who will have the right from 2007.

You can go and try to find a job in France if you like. You won't get one, because you don't have a French education (cultural problem not a legal one), but the law says you can try.

The UK government has been generally excellent on immigration, only the politicans have been too cowardly to explain all the benefits.

Do I want immigrants from countries growing at 8% per annum? Absolutely, think of all of the trade potential!

The big issue, is that the UK is such a good country to live in, it has such a successful economy, that European migrants know they'll get a job there and opportunities to better themselves, that they want to come! The price of success.

Oh, and by the way, France has Europe's largest number of Muslims as a %of population (and probably in absolute terms too).
 
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Not true. All citizens of Europe have the right to live and work in these two countries, except for citizens from the 10 new Eastern European countries who will have the right from 2007.

You can go and try to find a job in France if you like. You won't get one, because you don't have a French education (cultural problem not a legal one), but the law says you can try.

The UK government has been generally excellent on immigration, only the politicans have been too cowardly to explain all the benefits.

Do I want immigrants from countries growing at 8% per annum? Absolutely, think of all of the trade potential!

The big issue, is that the UK is such a good country to live in, it has such a successful economy, that European migrants know they'll get a job there and opportunities to better themselves, that they want to come! The price of success.

Oh, and by the way, France has Europe's largest number of Muslims as a %of population (and probably in absolute terms too).
You didn't quite grasp what i just said did you?

1. I said that I don't find immigrants the problem.
2. I said it is our governments fault for not telling us what they do to ensure the country is getting a good deal.
3. I said we are not the only country that has immigrants.
4. We are one of the only countries with open access to all EU residence.

All the above issues help create this racial tension in this country (which is one of the many reasons i want out).
 
Old Oct 10th 2006 | 1:03 am
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Originally Posted by Lees147
You didn't quite grasp what i just said did you?

1. I said that I don't find immigrants the problem.
2. I said it is our governments fault for not telling us what they do to ensure the country is getting a good deal.
3. I said we are not the only country that has immigrants.
4. We are one of the only countries with open access to all EU residence.

All the above issues help create this racial tension in this country (which is one of the many reasons i want out).
I like bullet points.

1. OK - that's good if you're going to be one
2. I agree with you - but not just government, politians in general
3. That's fine, to say anything else would be naïve - and you're not
4. I can't agree with this, as I posted, it's factually incorrect.
 
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Originally Posted by Lees147
I found that the job i do in the UK is better paid in canada by $20,000 a year on average.
Just because you may earn more doesn't mean you will have more money when all the bills are paid. Brits always assume that living in the US is a lot cheaper than the UK...it is not. There are a lot of hidden extras....property tax, car insurance, utilities etc. When we came here 10 yrs ago we found we were paying approx. the same amount per month than we paid per year in the UK. I'm not saying Canada will be more expensive...just be careful of those 'little' day to day hidden costs. Good luck.
 


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