markhelen

my thoughts exactly

Novocastrian

Point the first: if you're from Cirencester, how the hell do you justify being an Arsenal fan?????

Point the tooth: I've been away too long to remember how to pronounce Cirencester. Is it anything like Wooster?

Dave+Jules

Pronounced "Siren-sester" I think if my Northern memory (ok North midlands if you are going to be picky) serves me right

DaveLovesDee

How many Manchester Utd fans are from Manchester? I used to see lot's of them heading up the M5 / M6 to Old Trafford when we played them at Old Trafford.

Nope. Siren-cess-tur. Sort of like Leicester with the less.

I know what you mean though.

bazzz

According to 2001 figures, 7,808 Man Utd season ticket holders live in an area with an 'M' post code, compared with 6,678 for Man City.

Or if you want to consider the North West as a whole, the figures are 19,788 and 12,864 respectively.

References:

Do You Come From Manchester? Manchester Metropolitan University study. Retrieved on January 9, 2008.

Cape Blue

This thread is a bit of a shame - its the sort of one I expect to find in the Barbie, full of people who are trying to compare downtown Wolverhampton to a small rural town in Canada and therefore think that Canada has less crime (etc etc).

Normally I would expect it from those going to Aus as they generally seem less well educated and have a bit of a chip on their shoulder about people who don't look like them, I am surprised that so many expats in or going to Canada have the same Daily Mail glasses.

Some things will be better, some worse. As another poster said, predominantly it is the one-off lift in living arrangements (both in size and location) afforded by the sale of the expensive UK property that makes the country look a lot better.

My experience is that anyone leaving the UK for strongly negative reasons frequently doesn't do well in their adopted country - all the issues are still there, including their inability to deal with them.


murders per capita - Canada more than UK http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

rapes per capita - Canada more than UK http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita

immigrant percentage - Canada more than UK http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/im...rcentage-state

englishintruder

Those links posted are from statisics in 1998-2000!!! , for rapes and murders and 2005 for immigration, got any uptodate links?

Cape Blue

No

have you?

marclouis

these figures are probably distorted to include murders by bear & moose.

also the rape stats for Saudi Arabia might be slightly inaccurate as the kingdoms penalty for being a victim of rape is far worse than that for the rapist.

So the rest of these stats are probably wrong too.

wildside

I am not at all surprised that most of the replies concern immigrants,it is the commonest grumble I hear everywhere I go.Even lost my job to 2 very nice Polish girls who earn less with 11 living in one small house,and we are doing them a favour?The bad side is that they send all their money home so do not add to our economy.Having said that Britain is still a green and pleasant land.Well some of it,the councils will not let you build anywhere,they scream go green,so we did,looked into smallholdings even into underground housing,No not allowed,the council then built over 500 houses on greenbelt land.I live in a village,no-one speaks to anyone else they are all miserable self centred and territorial.The kids have nothing to do.2 boys have asbo`s for rollerblading.My son will not be able to get an apprenticeship after school there arn`t any.He won`t get a job in a supermarket either the immigrants are already there,One 17 year old lad in a local town was told he could have a factory job but he would have to learn Polish.I hate to think what the cities are like we do not provide for our teenagers but we do build mosques.Transport is hopeless and expensive any way you travel.If you can get a Brit to smile you met them on a good day everyone is miserable most of us are on the breadline and depressed as you only exist you can`t afford to have a life there is no money for that and the government will make sure it stays that way,so I am leaving!

marclouis

I think whats being missed here regarding immigration being a major reason why brits are leaving is the way the government policy is handling it. I doubt in Canada you can land and so easily find yourself in free or heavily state funded housing, get free healthcare straight away and claim unemployment benefit. This causes massive resentment even among immigrants from 10 years ago.

I live in what was once a very nice suburb on the green belt, it has gone from bad to worse over the last ten years.

And yes, i agree, having serious equity in a property makes it easier to emigrate.

Howard1944

I read that the vast majority of Polish workers have no intention of staying long term in the U.K, they intend to make enough to return home and to buy a home.

Damn, Hard Working Immigrants who send money home to save and to support their family, is nothing sacred, have they not heard of Welfare or spewing out legions of Children by various partners, what is the world coming to?

startwin

My gosh, that's a really depressing post. And yet.....

Here in BC we've had lots of retirement or extended care homes lay off all the workers, then hire other people at half the pay. (Interesting to note that many of these are owned by off-shore investors). Lots of companies hire the cheapest worker.
We have urban sprawl here, local governments OK building houses on greenbelt land.
We have mosques as well, though I believe the cost of building them is met by the indo community.
We are all (pretty much) immigrants here, so we often are confronted by "foreign" languages.
We have a lot of people here on domestic worker visas who send all their money back home, specifically from the Phillipines, and they need to support their children.

Not trying to argue with you, but my point is that Canada is not Utopia, we have our problems too, many of them the same as you have back there. Having said that, I'm glad I live here and not in the UK. I hope you are successful in your bid to immigrate here, but don't be surprised if you encounter some of the same issues.

marclouis

Yep, i had a Hungarian builder do some work for me last year, and he showed me the progress of his new home being built, by other builders.

Dave+Jules

Canada Stats on crime rate for 2006 for Atlantic Canada. For 2007, I think we had 3 murders in NB last year.

For lots of other stats check out the canada stats site