Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by or4ngecrush
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Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by iaink
Im sure we could all exchange small town news stories, but bad shit happens everywhere. Its not a reason on its own to up sticks and move 3000 miles.
Same shit, shinier bucket. Sadly few could exchange small town stories worse than this. Some towns have more shit than others: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5080910.stm Oh yeah - who could forget this unfortunate claim for fame: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4588920.stm Give me New Brunswick any day of the month. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by RobinHood
Sadly few could exchange small town stories worse than this. Some towns have more shit than others:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5080910.stm Oh yeah - who could forget this unfortunate claim for fame: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4588920.stm Give me New Brunswick any day of the month. Even sleepy NB has its problems. They were celebrating acheiving single digit unemployment in the provincial budget...hardly a sign of a booming economy. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by iaink
What the hell does that have to do with emmigrating? There are 17 people on trial here now charged with plotting to blow things up. Its an international thing, you cant get away from it.
Even sleepy NB has its problems. They were celebrating acheiving single digit unemployment in the provincial budget...hardly a sign of a booming economy. I was simply comparing the disproportionate crimes* of a city with a population of 4+ million against a town with 60,000 people - neither of which am I planning to live in (in the future). *This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK ;) New Brunswick has its problems but it is 20+ years behind the UK in terms of the long term breakdown of law and order/society. Twenty+ years is extra time for my kids to experience a better life. I work in education and have visited schools in NB as part of my application - and I can tell you in my opinion the long term future of where I live is bleaker than NB. I can't afford to move to the more affluent parts of the UK - so moving 3,000 miles is a worthwhile solution. As for sleepy New Brunswick? Can't wait to semi-retire mortgage free in a place people regard as sleepy. Unemployment problems in NB? We in the north of England know all about that. I am emigrating to improve the quality of life for me and my family - which moving to NB will undoubtedly do. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by RobinHood
I was simply comparing the disproportionate* incidents of a city with a population of 4+ million against a town with 60,000 people - neither of which am I planning to live in (in the future).
Except that was just one shooting of about 70 last year so, so its not that disproportionate. Nothing wrong with emigrating for a better life, thats why most of us did it, but that wasnt what this thread was about. I wouldnt want to live there anyway...lived in Leeds long enough for one lifetime thanks and done enough snow shovelling in Ontario to pass on NB...plus I need to work to make ends meet, and so will my kids. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by RobinHood
With the far-right recently elected locally on top of that - would you want to live there? You don't have to tell me about international incidents. The fellas arrested last week in the town were arrested in relation to the Toronto plot.
I was simply comparing the disproportionate crimes* of a city with a population of 4+ million against a town with 60,000 people - neither of which am I planning to live in (in the future). *This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK ;) New Brunswick has its problems but it is 20+ years behind the UK in terms of the long term breakdown of law and order/society. Twenty+ years is extra time for my kids to experience a better life. I work in education and have visited schools in NB as part of my application - and I can tell you in my opinion the long term future of where I live is bleaker than NB. I can't afford to move to the more affluent parts of the UK - so moving 3,000 miles is a worthwhile solution. As for sleepy New Brunswick? Can't wait to semi-retire mortgage free in a place people regard as sleepy. Unemployment problems in NB? We in the north of England know all about that. I am emigrating to improve the quality of life for me and my family - which moving to NB will undoubtedly do. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by iaink
Except that was just one shooting of about 70 last year so, so its not that disproportionate.
Nothing wrong with emigrating for a better life, thats why most of us did it, but that wasnt what this thread was about. I wouldnt want to live there anyway...lived in Leeds long enough for one lifetime thanks and done enough snow shovelling in Ontario to pass on NB...plus I need to work to make ends meet, and so will my kids. Enough said about Leeds - I'm with you all the way. My cousin got stabbed at a Leeds match in the 1980s (he was a Leeds fan as well). Looks like I missed the point of the thread - I thought we were discussing UK anti-social behaviour and crime etc... I'll get my coat :rolleyes: |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
One thing i'll never forget (or understand) from living in the UK was a debate on a similar intranet forum regarding break and entry. I took the side of "if they enter, they deserve whatever they get". I think one other person agreed with me. However, the majority of people replying thought that any kind of retaliation against the criminal was uncalled for, and two people actually thought hurting the criminal was deserving of punishment in itself!!
I'll never understand that. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by dbd33
I'd be scared about raising children in the middle of nowhere, not least because, when they move to the city, they'll know nothing.
There is more of a sense of community and place in my rural area than in any city Ive lived in, and a reasonable amount for kids to do. In a small community if your kids are up to no good, people will notice and care enough to tell you, neighbours look out for neighbours here. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by RobinHood
If I moved to Ontario I'd be in the same situation as you.
Ontario is not necessarily just the GTA, theres a lot more to it than that, but even in the boonies there is crime...lots of pot growing in the woods and fields around here, and crime associated wit that. Crime and conflict I am afraid are universal issues. Only some guns are legal, but regardless of that shooting people isnt. For the record that was 70 fatal shootings...i dont think they even bother counting the plain old gunfire now. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by iaink
What rubbish. I was a country boy who survived just fine moving to the city. You raise them right and dont drop them on their head too often they will be fine.
There is more of a sense of community and place in my rural area than in any city Ive lived in, and a reasonable amount for kids to do. In a small community if your kids are up to no good, people will notice and care enough to tell you, neighbours look out for neighbours here. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by RobinHood
Twenty+ years is extra time for my kids to experience a better life. I work in education and have visited schools in NB as part of my application - and I can tell you in my opinion the long term future of where I live is bleaker than NB. I can't afford to move to the more affluent parts of the UK - so moving 3,000 miles is a worthwhile solution.
<dingbat's edit>.... I am emigrating to improve the quality of life for me and my family - which moving to NB will undoubtedly do. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by dbd33
What sorts of things can a teenager do independently in a place where they can't get around without driving ?
Granted public transport is non existent, but taxis are available, and cell phones do work out here if they need to call moms taxi. Given the lower cost of living I think I can spring for a few taxi rides as and when needed if thats not convenient for whatever reason. Personally I'm rather keen for them to move away for University, I dont rally want them living under my roof heading into their 20s, and once educated they can decide for themselves what they want to do and where they want to live. |
Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by dbd33
What sorts of things can a teenager do independently in a place where they can't get around without driving ?
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Re: This is why "the decent" people want to leave the UK
Originally Posted by dbd33
The concerns with children and rural Canada, NB or elsewhere, must be education and drugs; they'll have to move away for university and perhaps even for high school and the lack of entertainments leads to a high level of drug abuse, meth in the west oxycontin in the east. I'd be scared about raising children in the middle of nowhere, not least because, when they move to the city, they'll know nothing.
I agree with what you say - but I'm headed to Greater Saint John - which has a population of 125,000+ (twice the population of my home town) and a decent University. According to Tourism New Brunswick - it is also half a day from Boston and a full days drive from New York city or Montreal. I think the kids should end up city savvy. I don't think my family will be watching out for hyperdermic needles whilst out walking in the woods as much as they are now (fortunately). |
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