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#76
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I do know that the UK benefit bill is larger than the income tax take. i.e those in work do not pay enough income tax to support those out of work. Anyway, I don't think brits are too lazy to do min wage jobs, it's that when they do the marginal tax rate's are horrendous. Often they are only a tiny amount better off than they were on benefits, and if they have kids they can even be worse off. I don't blame them, I know I wouldn't work just for an extra few quid a week. On the other hand as most immigrants can't actually claim benefits they have to work to live. So there you go, another cause of british unemployment is a mismanaged welfare system that doesn't know how to incentivise working whilst providing a safety net for those that need it, not a bunch of immigrants stealing everybodies jobs.
Talking to some immigrants who were once immigrants in the UK, I saw a slight humorous aspect to it all, they saw the UK as a great family stepping stone, a country where an immigrant could come and work hard, be successful and get a world class education for their children. They worked hard built a business in a shop and brought their children up and got them an English university education and then sold up and moved to Canada to maximize the profits from that business ..
The same opportunity is there for every Brit that has enough gumption to work hard, and study as far as they can and use that to their full potential .. success doesn’t take into account skin colour or origin, (granted it may make some routes for a minority easier)however many still use it to justify their own failure… just my Opinion
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But this is almost entirely a myth about Canada vs. the UK. In business, people seem to work just as hard as in the UK. Who do you think invented the blackberry anyway? And in Canada the average 2-3 weeks vacation is a poor substitute for the 4-5 weeks in the UK. About the only benefit in terms of work life balance I have over my job in Basildon is my commute is 15-20 mins rather than the hour or so I drove from Maldon to Basildon and back each day. And if I lived in Toronto rather than Newfoundland, my commute would be just as bad as in Basildon.
Don't get me wrong - Canada can give you opportunities to do lifestyle type things that you can't do in the UK - but essential for the professional classes (and I include tradespeople in this) moving to Canada is generally about affording a bigger house and having more land and perhaps more toys.
Still, having worked in Basildon for 14 years off and on, I can see why you might want to get out!
Don't get me wrong - Canada can give you opportunities to do lifestyle type things that you can't do in the UK - but essential for the professional classes (and I include tradespeople in this) moving to Canada is generally about affording a bigger house and having more land and perhaps more toys.
Still, having worked in Basildon for 14 years off and on, I can see why you might want to get out!

Yes agree on job front to a degree, OH is a company director here and will be looking for similar position in NS, but hoping attitude to work is more laid back and people there seem more family and community orientated when we visited.
We spend a lot of time in our home and to be honest larger property for our money does play a large part in the decision. To buy larger here in a decent area we would be mortgaged to the hilt, even on OH salary.
Also Uk v expensive and crowded, little bit of sun you can't find space on a uk beach. When we were in NS last august beaches were practically empty in comparison.
Plus after falling in love with the scenery on our first visit and a further two we also feel that we can be much closer to the outdoors here and still be near a major city and work.
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So, you have a nice middle-class or better lifestyle in a nice part of England/Scotland/Wales/NI. You own or are buying a nice house, you both have or one of you has a good job with an income(s) sufficient to support your lifestyle/family. You get 30-40 days vacation a year and take two or more family vacations each year. Two cars are on your driveway and you have all the boy’s/girl’s toys you want. Your children are happy in and doing well in school. You’re close physically to your families and value that greatly.
So why are you contemplating abandoning all this and travelling between 3,000 and 10,000 miles to move to Canada/Australia/New Zealand for, hopefully, a similar or perhaps slightly better lifestyle? The move will cost you a considerable amount of money to say nothing of the stress factors involved for all in the family.
There are a number of people on this site who have posted describing such a UK lifestyle. So what's in it for you?
So why are you contemplating abandoning all this and travelling between 3,000 and 10,000 miles to move to Canada/Australia/New Zealand for, hopefully, a similar or perhaps slightly better lifestyle? The move will cost you a considerable amount of money to say nothing of the stress factors involved for all in the family.
There are a number of people on this site who have posted describing such a UK lifestyle. So what's in it for you?
Not everyone is in that position. Not everyone goes for 'stuff'. Some are downsizing and going country on the cheap etc...
Personally, for us:
Don't own a house (can't afford a family house here).
2 kids not in school yet (One 2 weeks, and the other 3 years old).
1 full-time (IT), 1 part-time income.
1 car.
25 days vacation.
1.5 hours from family.
Does that make it a bad move? Who knows? Depends on my motivations for doing so, and what is pulling me there...ultimately everyones reasons and motivations vary...
#79
I've wanted to emigrate to the US or Canada for almost a decade but put it off for business reasons.
I have several reasons for wanting to emigrate to Canada - here are some:
1) I suffer from SAD and it's so gloomy in the North of England for several months a year. In winter in Ontario, at least the sun will be shining.
2) More opportunities for ourselves and the kids. The area we live in doesn't have great prospects. We could move somewhere else in the UK - but property prices in any places I'd consider are too high.
3) Weather and the recreational activities available. Real winter for winter sports. Real summer for summer sports, camping and exploring the national parks and lakes. Safe cycling in parks and on paths was also high on my list - then my son was seriously injured in a cycling accident a couple of weeks ago and I found myself wishing we'd moved sooner.
4) Adventure. We're definitely looking forward to the adventure of moving to another country and exploring all that Canada and America has to offer.
5) Encourage the kids to venture out into the world. A lot of children where I live never move to another town or village and wind up stuck in dead end jobs. I hope that moving to another country will give the kids the confidence to go out and explore the world when theyr'e older.
I have lots of other reasons too and of course, there's always some things you want to escape from, like exes who won't stop interfering and hassling you years later. But most of the reasons we want to move are positive ones.
I have several reasons for wanting to emigrate to Canada - here are some:
1) I suffer from SAD and it's so gloomy in the North of England for several months a year. In winter in Ontario, at least the sun will be shining.
2) More opportunities for ourselves and the kids. The area we live in doesn't have great prospects. We could move somewhere else in the UK - but property prices in any places I'd consider are too high.
3) Weather and the recreational activities available. Real winter for winter sports. Real summer for summer sports, camping and exploring the national parks and lakes. Safe cycling in parks and on paths was also high on my list - then my son was seriously injured in a cycling accident a couple of weeks ago and I found myself wishing we'd moved sooner.
4) Adventure. We're definitely looking forward to the adventure of moving to another country and exploring all that Canada and America has to offer.
5) Encourage the kids to venture out into the world. A lot of children where I live never move to another town or village and wind up stuck in dead end jobs. I hope that moving to another country will give the kids the confidence to go out and explore the world when theyr'e older.
I have lots of other reasons too and of course, there's always some things you want to escape from, like exes who won't stop interfering and hassling you years later. But most of the reasons we want to move are positive ones.
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Immigration into the UK has kept the country afloat for such a long time and now with a serious downturn still occurring the country and restrictions on immigration the country is a sinking ship with little prospects.
Britain isn't Dynamic like the US or Canada if people run out of work they move to find other work to support their families in the UK they take large chunks of benefits, shave heads and protest in the streets about those damn immigrants are taking their jobs.
Britain isn't Dynamic like the US or Canada if people run out of work they move to find other work to support their families in the UK they take large chunks of benefits, shave heads and protest in the streets about those damn immigrants are taking their jobs.
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Immigration into the UK has kept the country afloat for such a long time and now with a serious downturn still occurring the country and restrictions on immigration the country is a sinking ship with little prospects.
Britain isn't Dynamic like the US or Canada if people run out of work they move to find other work to support their families in the UK they take large chunks of benefits, shave heads and protest in the streets about those damn immigrants are taking their jobs.
Britain isn't Dynamic like the US or Canada if people run out of work they move to find other work to support their families in the UK they take large chunks of benefits, shave heads and protest in the streets about those damn immigrants are taking their jobs.
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While the readers of the said papers probably look at the immigrants and blame them, the truth is that with the exception of a small percentage they have all been invited here by the UK government wether though it's membership of the EU or it's wider immigration policy. I wan't to leave because the Government has set the country in terms of its population numbers and ethnic make up on an irreversible course that over the next 30 years will change Britain beyond recognition. With very little of it's manufacturing base left, no significant oil or minerals and it's flagship the banking industry discredited and in tatters, I can only see a poorer, more overpopulated and more troubled Britain in the future.
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While the readers of the said papers probably look at the immigrants and blame them, the truth is that with the exception of a small percentage they have all been invited here by the UK government wether though it's membership of the EU or it's wider immigration policy. I wan't to leave because the Government has set the country in terms of its population numbers and ethnic make up on an irreversible course that over the next 30 years will change Britain beyond recognition. With very little of it's manufacturing base left, no significant oil or minerals and it's flagship the banking industry discredited and in tatters, I can only see a poorer, more overpopulated and more troubled Britain in the future.
#87
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1) I suffer from SAD and it's so gloomy in the North of England for several months a year.
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me too, the grey mono season is driving me mad
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scenary
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better life being not financial but leisure opps
Am having a life is too short ethos
1) I suffer from SAD and it's so gloomy in the North of England for several months a year.
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me too, the grey mono season is driving me mad
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scenary
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better life being not financial but leisure opps
Am having a life is too short ethos




